super tec oil

walleyehed · Jun 26, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Something I've found myself thinking more about since going from a 115 to an older 2.5L 200 is I go through almost 1/2 gallon of oil a day....I use XD-50 right now at 23.50/gallon. It's a semi-syn., and recommended with the XP heads.... Dhadley says the Penz. syn. blend is good oil, but something about that yellow bottle....... I hate to change over, as I was actually going to go to amsoil HPI at 100 hrs.....I'm past that and like what I see with the XD-50... I don't know if I would change or not. EDIT: When I sold my 115 which had about 80 hrs on it, I said I would gaurantee the powerhead for 1 year if he used XD-50 (ficht-ram) only. This was one of my rebuilds and he uses it year-round and reports it's the best running 115 he's ever had and continues to run XD-50 as well.....I guess if it fits, use it.

dajohnson53 · Jun 27, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Originally posted by walleyehed: EDIT: When I sold my 115 which had about 80 hrs on it, I said I would gaurantee the powerhead for 1 year if he used XD-50 (ficht-ram) only. This was one of my rebuilds and he uses it year-round and reports it's the best running 115 he's ever had and continues to run XD-50 as well.....I guess if it fits, use it.

Other than the guy's honesty, how can you tell if he's been running the XD-50 oil? I'm assuming (a big assumption) that you could tell what was actually in the tank at the time you looked at it, but how could you tell what he'd used at other times? Theoretically, couldn't he use cheaper oil and just fill the tank up with the expensive oil if he happened to be talking to you about a problem? Are you looking for oil receipts and comparing it to the hours on the engine? Also, how about if it was a pre-mix situation is there any objective way to tell what kind of oil is used? Not an argumentative question, pure curiousity only.

walleyehed · Jun 27, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Good point, D.....The engine was sold a year and a half ago...warranty is up. we stayed in touch (still do) and the engine just runs and runs. Yea, I could've got stuck bad had it not been an honest individual. and yes...it was pre-mix on a 1997.

Ron173 · Jun 30, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Half a gallon of oil a day! Holy smoke, how much fuel are you using? Ron

walleyehed · Jun 30, 2005

Re: super tec oil

That's only 24 gallon at 50:1...Premix has it's disadvantages too..... It all started when this guy by the handle of Dhadley got me started.....well, trying to go faster...one thing led to another...now I go as fast as I wanted, but I can't pass a fuel stop along the way or I'm in trouble..

Actually, when on bigger lakes, I've went through 1-1/2 gallons of oil in a day.....36 bucks for oil for the day.....Man, I gotta rethink this "speed" thing....

BrianTindall · Jul 6, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Try 80 miles round trip plus trolling 1 1/2 to 2 gallons easy. Why do they call it Variable Ratio Oil Injection if it's a steady 50 to 1? 1988 Johnny 225. I guess it's like the Parkway you drive on and the driveway you park on! (NJ thing)

moderator1 · Jul 6, 2005

Re: super tec oil

VRO used to be variable....it's now made for 50:1 at any engine speed. OMC decided there was too many extra parts, some failing causing problems.

seahorse5 · Jul 7, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Originally posted by moderator1: VRO used to be variable....it's now made for 50:1 at any engine speed. OMC decided there was too many extra parts, some failing causing problems.

You ought to read the VRO explanation in the Engine FAQ section of this forum, item F., for a better understanding of the system.

Harley 1040 · Jul 17, 2005

Re: super tec oil

for all of those who sell oil or reccomend that you use manfactures recommended oil and indicate that it is better oil I give you this challenge, tell me why its better, tell me the ingrediants in it that makes it better, its been said that there is a reason some oils are cheaper, I say there are reasons some are higher priced and thats the all mighty dollar in the profit line. Give me a real believable reason that makes it better and I will stand in line for it, I have not heard it yet.. Harley

bluewater19 · Jul 17, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Don't use supertec oil from wally world. My buddy has been using that stuff on his 1996 75hp merc. He has fished this boat 3-4 days a week since new. He has never had a problem with this motor. I keep telling him not to use it it will blow his motor cause it is cheap. He won't listen and his motor keeps on running like a champ. One of these days he might have a problem and I will be there to say "ha I told you that cheap oil was no good!". Until then I guess he'll keep using it and I'll keep waiting.

Major Woods · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Without a analysis of Supertech's ingrediants and all the other oils for comparison, determination of weather the oil is as good as any other is just an opinion. Unfortunatly opions are not worth much from a scientific perspective.

LubeDude · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Walmart expects to make a certain percentage of profit from everything it sells. If they are selling there oil for about .90 a bottle or about $7.00 a gallon, you figure what "They are paying for it. Its the additives in oil that actually bring the cost up in oils, everyone pays about the same for the basestocks. Not that other manufactures dont bump the price, but I say that [generally] there is a difference in cheap oils and more expensive oils. The difference would be in the performance and long term longevity. Probably, I would use the Walmart oil if I wasnt such a freak.

dajohnson53 · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

L.D said: "Its the additives in oil that actually bring the cost up in oils, everyone pays about the same for the basestocks. Not that other manufactures dont bump the price, but I say that [generally] there is a difference in cheap oils and more expensive oils. The difference would be in the performance and long term longevity." This is nothing but opinion. Not necessarily a bad opinion, but nothing factual, which is what Harley1040 was asking for. Its easy to say that cheap price at store = cheap wholesale price = cheap cost to produce = poor oil. It really does seem to make sense... but really, "price" is not dictated by "cost" - price is dictated by what people will pay, regardless of cost. You could have two things that cost $1 to make, but one could sell at a lot more than another simply because people are willing to pay it - for whatever reason. The reason may be a good one like it is actually a better product. Or the reason could be simply that people believe its better. This is exacly why companies invest money into advertising because it tends to increase the profit margin because people will pay a more for that product without changing the cost to make it. Perception that something is better often has nothing to do with the quality of the product, or the cost to make it. And even if things are theoretically better - say, certain additives in oil, or synthetic oil - doesn't necessarily mean it will result in better actual performance or actual longevity. What are the facts - what actual additives are involved? What are their supposed beneifts? What are the actual benefits for the normal user, under normal conditions, in a normal lifetime of use? I'm not picking on you personally, just trying to get the same answer that Harley1040 is looking for.

LubeDude · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

I dont think you are ever going to get this answer as all the oil companies keep this a secret. The oils are made up of: Base oil: Dispersant: Prevents deposits Rust Inhibitor: Prevents rust Oxidation Inhibitor: Prevents deposits other than this, its a crap shoot.

timmathis · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

It all comes from the same place!Just different stuff put in it! TCW3 is TCW3

LubeDude · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

Originally posted by Tim Mathis: It all comes from the same place!Just different stuff put in it! TWC3 is TWC3

Life would be simple if this were in fact the case. Truth is that the Base stock can come from a number of places and even they cam be different. Regular Dino Base stock: Regular Dino Hydrocracked Base Stock: Synthetic Blend which can be made up of a variety of Base Stocks, Synthetic Base Stock which also can be a variety of things according to the law. Im not so sure that the Base stock makes a whole lot of difference other than clean burning and high temp protection. Now days it seems mostly to be just a carrier for the additive package. It does boil down to that if it says TC-W3 on the bottle, it will not harm your engine.

BillP · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

It's a fact, there are no facts...just certifications and/or glossy ads. Which one do you want to believe? Use that one.

walleyehed · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

I gotta agree with ya Bill....how much testing would it actually take to confirm X is better in another brand than Y...

timmathis · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

When I said it comes from the same place I ment the crude oil. Out of the ground!

timmathis · Jul 18, 2005

Re: super tec oil

The US goverment made Amco take thier adds off tv and at the pump That said that thier gas burned cleaner or better than other brands.They cant prove that it does because it dont! cheep gas is just as good as name brands. Tim

super tec oil

Admiral

Lieutenant Commander

Admiral

Cadet

Admiral

Petty Officer 2nd Class

Lieutenant Commander

Rear Admiral

Recruit

Chief Petty Officer

Petty Officer 1st Class

Admiral

Lieutenant Commander

Admiral

Lieutenant

Admiral

Captain

Admiral

Lieutenant

Lieutenant