super tec oil

[walleyehed]

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Disagree with ya on that, Tim...Name-brand fuel has good additive packages you won't find at C-Mart...Better do some research on that one.<br />I've had to run "Fred's brand" a time or 2 when that was the closest to the lake, and the trained eye can see the difference in the plugs and if you really pay attention, you notice it in how the engine runs...that is fact.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by BillP:<br /> It's a fact, there are no facts...just certifications and/or glossy ads. Which one do you want to believe? Use that one.<br />

 

[Harley 1040]

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well I guess this controversy over which oil is best could go on forever, my belief is that if the oil sold by the manfacture is better let them tell us why its better , what additives or maybe the quantity of an additive makes it better, I think if they could do this they would shout it from the highest mountain top but when they dont that makes me belicve its not better. If the government would make them list the ingredients like they do prescription drugs we could form our own opinion. Hey guys they dont make the stuff and they even use independent labratories for their testing and certification of tcw3 oil and that is a fact in print from the NMMA

 

[walleyehed]

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If they have any patents on their oil, you ain't gonna hear what they put in it...that's the whole deal...why would they tell all, so the next guy can go put the same thing in and have the same product???<br />Also, one additive package may be good in a carbed, pre-mix engine, that could ruin an injected engine or vise-versa...<br />Go open the cap on wally supertech, take a whiff, then get a bottle of JohnRude XD-50 and take a smell of that....the XD-50 will drop ya in your tracks. Additive packages ARE different, but all they will tell is what engines it was designed for and they aren't going to tell what additive package they use. Experience is the best tool you can have, as in "what works for you?"

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by Harley 1040:<br />[QBmy belief is that if the oil sold by the manfacture is better let them tell us why its better , what additives or maybe the quantity of an additive makes it better, [/QB]

That would be nice, (But it aint gonna happen), Your box of breakfast cerial will tell the ingredients, but they still dont say what % of anything there is other than % of dayly value. These things are closely guarded secrets or people could easily copy them. Myself, I have to go on what things look like inside, and how the engine runs. For instance, when I have first purchased any of my boats, I get used to them before I start making changes. Then when I make changes, I just do one thing at a time. I listen to the engine, take down RPM figures, take notice as to how smooth things are. Believe me, I can tell the difference between Walmart oil and Amsoil in every respect. The biggest noticable thing on larger engines, say 85HP-up, is when you change from a regular lower unit oil to a synthetic, I cant say that its from superior lubrication, I tend to think that its mostly from the fact that it is physicaly thinner even though it carries the same wieght designation.<br /><br />Let your eyes and the seat of the pants dyno tell you if things are better or not. I like to squeaze the most performance I can out of things, if you are happy just having things run and going fishing, then use any oil you want, be happy, dont worry, Everyone isnt like me and Walleyehed. Or is that Walleyehed and I?

 

[bluewater19]

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Lets face it,<br />The stuff they sell at walmart is way better than the stuff that was made most people on this sites motors were new. <br />With the exception of the new HPDI, E-tec, optimax and other high tec motors this oil is just fine for day to day use.<br /> As I eluded to earlier My buddy puts way more hours on his motor in a year than most people do in 5. He has never had to do anything to his motor other than replace the rectifier.<br />He has never put anything in his motor but supertec since 1996.<br /><br />I'm sure that the people at mercury, yamaha , evinrude ect... all want you to belive that your motor will not last very long if you don't use thier brand of oil but this just isn't the case.<br /><br />Have you ever seen walmart market supertec oil?<br />Nope we just all know it's there because we shop at walmart already. Now look in all the boat magazines you will find adds for merc this, yamaha that ect... when you go buy your evinrude oil at the marina your paying through the nose.<br />They have to charge more, they don't have the volume that wallyworld has. Try buying spark plugs at these places then go to kragen, autozone napa ect and buy the same pugs there. They are way cheaper.<br />I'm sure your name brand oil does have more additives and such, but most of the markup you are paying is to keep the marina/ big name maine manufacture in business.

 

[TheOilDoc]

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The only way to determine the difference between "best" oils and "lesser" oils is by actual laboratory engine testing, not by what additives are in it or what it costs. <br /><br />Oils are tested by running them in outboard engines under controlled environments, extreme conditions, and a set of standards. Then the internal engine parts are critically measured for wear and examined for damage. A scoring system is used for scientists to rate the engine wear and thus the oil's performance. It is a pass-fail process. <br /><br />Very seldom is the base stock, additive formulation, or cost of the oil taken into consideration. In fact most oil testing does not evaluate the contents of the oil at all. And expensive big name oils with high cost additives don't necessarily perform any better than cheaper generic oils with basic additives. In theory, you could bottle and sell any material (coffee, pancake syrup, herring oil, etc.) as outboard oil if it passed engine testing and emissions. It's all about the engine, not the oil.<br /><br />A reputable oil maker's goal is to come up with a formulation that will pass testing and emissions, and give customers a consistent, reliable product that does what it is supposed to do. How they do that is up to them, and they aren't going to tell you what makes their oils the "best". So you have to rely on certifications like TC-W3. After that it's up to the consumer to determine what he considers important factors in buying oil (cost, availability, how much he uses, smell, smoke, type of outboard, etc.). <br /><br />The Wal-Mart oil is a reputable oil used by many many consumers in many many outboards. It is certified as TC-W3. It is cost effective. It performs very well. Thus IMO, it is a very good choice in oil.

 

[LubeDude]

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Hi Member TheOilDoc <br /><br />Where ya been???

 

[timmathis]

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Originally posted by walleyehed:<br /> Disagree with ya on that, Tim...Name-brand fuel has good additive packages you won't find at C-Mart...Better do some research on that one.<br />I've had to run "Fred's brand" a time or 2 when that was the closest to the lake, and the trained eye can see the difference in the plugs and if you really pay attention, you notice it in how the engine runs...that is fact.

The US government has done research on it. That is why they made Amco and Exxon Quit advertising that their gas was any better than Fred's brand!<br />Also I have A very good eye on reading plug's have been racing for 30 years. And I have ran every gas from aviation fuel to wal-mart's gas and nitrous oxide. And with today's low compression pistons wal mart 87 octane fuel works great. Except in my 1975 Mercury 150 H.P.and my 1965 327 Corvette I use wal-mart 89 octane! plugs burn clean as ever...that is fact!

 

[Mark42]

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I have Walmart TCW3 in the VRO tank now. It’s a gallon and a half (or so) tank and now it’s just short of half full. I'm waiting until it runs almost out and then will fill with some exorbitantly expensive and widely marketed oil in a very technically superior looking container with very flashy two page adds in fishing magazines sporting young ladies in micro bikini’s (hopefully) to satisfy my growing concern that the 'rude is not getting properly lubricated using a leading national retailer’s noticeably volume discounted and non advertised TCW3 certified oil in a plain grey non-technical looking container on the bottom shelf of their automotive section next to marvel mystery oil that was located at my request by a red haired, ****le faced skinny kid in an ill fitting oversized red vest with ketchup stains on his shirt and various pieces of metal affixed to his nose, lip and tongue.

 

[LubeDude]

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^^^^^^^ROFLMAO^^^^^^^

 

[bluewater19]

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Couldn't have said it better Mark42!!!!!

 

[walleyehed]

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Tim, you seem to be somewhat arguementative about this....<br />I too have raced (Not boats) but other items such as experimental homebuilt aircraft, snowmobiles (on NO2), the avgas I haven't tried because I know the properties of it, but somehow you must understand the fuel may be the same from the refinery, but not the same after the additive package has been added before reaching the pumps.<br />Don't care what you raced, but I would like to see your paperwork on what brand fuel contains what.........<br />The fuel manufacturers can't say "OUR GAS IS BETTER" but they can, by all means, say their additive package is better.<br />Have you ever checked specific gravity of several pump brands??? I have...and they are not the same. Tell me why 2 "87" octane fuels of 2 different brands, figuring octane the same way, do not have the same specific Gravity.<br />Maybe "The OilDoc" may even have something to add about that...he may have some insight, and I trust his research.

 

[TheOilDoc]

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Tell me why 2 "87" octane fuels of 2 different brands, figuring octane the same way, do not have the same specific Gravity.<br />Maybe "The OilDoc" may even have something to add about that...he may have some insight, and I trust his research.

Octane and specific gravity are really two totally different and independent properties of gasoline. Octane is the fuel's resistance to detonation where specific gravity is basically the weight of the fuel. <br /><br />However, you can change the octane of fuel with addivites, and this will in turn change the specific gravity. Thus you could have two different fuels with the same octane but different specific gravities. Higher octane fuels generally (but not always) have higher specific gravities and lower octane fuels have lower specific gravities. But you could add octane additives to a lower octane fuel with a lower specific gravity and end up with a higher octane fuel with a lower specific gravity.<br /><br />For racers, changing from a high specific gravity fuel to a low specific gravity fuel can have the same impact as reducing the jet size in the carburetor. This is true regardless of the octane. This is because fewer hydrocarbons will be introduced into the engine even though the jets have not been changed.<br /><br />Where I live several fuel marketers buy their gasonline from the same refinery. Yet they each add their own additive packages. So the fuel isn't necessarily the same. Some folks like "X" brand and some like "Y" brand. Regardless, the gasoline delivered to the consumer must meet all ASTM and federal requirements, and it is tested as such. I use what I feel performs the best in my vehicles for the price paid.