take a look for me please?

[cactusprick]

Re: take a look for me please?

btw....pic 1 ....wood needs to come out....the rot wont stop.

pic 5 looks like de lam between the tank and the bulkhead.....common in that area.....that will need to be fixed as well

i will search for core samples thanks

I now this is a dumb question but how do I fix it? sorry but could you give me some step by step thoughts

 

[oops!]

Re: take a look for me please?

thats the deck bud.......that part has to come out.....

give me an hour or two to get to work and get back on line......and i can help you get started

cheers
oops

 

[oops!]

Re: take a look for me please?

ok.....

rip off the fiber glass covering......you might be able to get away with a grinder at shallow depth to just cut the glass......

then take a roto zip or circ saw to the area and cut out the infected area.....

look at the edge of the board you take out...is it wet?....if it is....you need to take more out.......

i think you might have to take it all out.....everything.

take lots of pictures so you can remember how it goes back togeather....

as far as the gas tank....it has to come out too......same thing....just make sure you dont cut into it !.

basically....each board you take out....you will find out how far to go.....do not stop ripping out stuff till you get to totally dry areas......but i think the foam in that boat is wet as well.....

we will know more after you get a few core samples.

in the mean time.....read jason j's skanky beast....and also search "cross section of a hull"......td has a pic of a boat cut apart.....you can see the foam....deck....stringers.....a good indication of what you will find inside

dont be afarid......its just labor.....besides...it can be addicting !

 

[cactusprick]

Re: take a look for me please?

ok.....

rip off the fiber glass covering......you might be able to get away with a grinder at shallow depth to just cut the glass......

then take a roto zip or circ saw to the area and cut out the infected area.....

look at the edge of the board you take out...is it wet?....if it is....you need to take more out.......

i think you might have to take it all out.....everything.

take lots of pictures so you can remember how it goes back togeather....

as far as the gas tank....it has to come out too......same thing....just make sure you dont cut into it !.

basically....each board you take out....you will find out how far to go.....do not stop ripping out stuff till you get to totally dry areas......but i think the foam in that boat is wet as well.....

we will know more after you get a few core samples.

in the mean time.....read jason j's skanky beast....and also search "cross section of a hull"......td has a pic of a boat cut apart.....you can see the foam....deck....stringers.....a good indication of what you will find inside

dont be afarid......its just labor.....besides...it can be addicting !

thanks. I will start on this tommarrow. I hope i can afford to put it back together. lol

 

[oops!]

Re: take a look for me please?

to totally do the hull.......(no uph.....just the hull transom stringers and deck)
can be done for 800 ish...less if you shop good....prices will vary.

 

[ylop]

Re: take a look for me please?

i am new to the forum and reading this thread and seeing the photos i would think there has been some very very poor workmanship on this boat in the past so i would be striping it back to a bear hull and starting from scratch, its a big job but well worth it in the end

 

[drewmitch44]

Re: take a look for me please?

why so manny bilge pumps?

 

[cactusprick]

Re: take a look for me please?

why so manny bilge pumps?

on is the airetor for the live well that this model had.

 

[cactusprick]

Re: take a look for me please?

ok folks,

what a busy week. Had the time to dive into it today. I cut into this section here:

you see that section where the coating has chipped off? I started with a hole to see what condition it was in. ugly!

The other side has the same cracks so I can only assume that it must be rotted to. On a good not the foam is in excellent condition. At this point I dont know how to proceed. I used my jig saw to get in there as tightly as possible but there is only so much room. here are some questions.

1. should i remove the cap? how do i do this if i have to?

2. when the plywood is put on top of the stringers, are the supports for the upper deck built on top? does that mean i must remove all of those in order to replace that lower deck stuff?

3. dumb question, will just putting a good piece of wood on top of the rotted stuff work or is that just a waste of time?

4. assuming that i have to remove the cap and the under deck and top supports, how do i remove the plywood since it is fibered together? This part requires more than a quickie answer please, some step by step will be needed.

I have no new pics, the wife has the camera.

 

[cactusprick]

Re: take a look for me please?

well, since I have not recieved any replies to yesterdays post, i decided to dive in yet again. I drilled out the rivits holding the cap on. much easier than I thought. i removed the remaining carpet from the main deck. just as i thought, rotted. I know that i have to replace all the deck wood. more than likely it will all have to go, stringers and all.

tommarrow I will attempt to remove the motor. i am not looking forward to that since i have no help. I have to wait to remove the cap until I can have some help. might be a few weeks.

any thoughts on my previous post questions would be greatly appreciated. thanks

 

[redfury]

Re: take a look for me please?

Well, everything is dependent on your resources. You can do anything yourself if you have the resources. I pulled the entire cap off of my boat by myself. Actually, I've done EVERYTHING up to the point I am at with no help. I've had the boat off the trailer, the cap off, back on, back off, back on again.

The motor is the tricky part and will require at least 2 other people if you don't have a way to hang the motor. What do I mean by that...pull the cover off the motor and there should be a loop to attach a chain to. All you need is a cherry picker- or a winch and something solid to lift the boat from ( solid rafters in a garage with some support to keep it from bowing...until you can put it on a stand or lay it down on something ). That motor is going to weigh in the neighborhood of 400lbs, so it's not something one guy can wrestle with.

You have to be able to lower it more than being able to lift it. Why? You can support the motor as tightly as you can, take off the bolts and controls, and then tilt the trailer to lower the boat away from the motor and slide it away. But if you can't lower the motor by yourself, then you are stuck...see?

As far as getting the cap off, it all depends on what you have for space/resources again. You can see what I did. Or you can support it from the ceiling of your garage and put it on a large trailer and move it someplace else for the meantime...all depends again on resources.

I pull mine up and pull the trailer and hull out and then drop it onto a sawhorse in the back and a 55 gallon drum in the front-keeping light tension on the ropes so nothing sags unnecessarily.

 

[DC20]

Re: take a look for me please?

I did not see anywhere if you got the motor running. I would get the motor running before going any further.
Is that peanutbutter and jelly on the floor?

 

[keepNitreel]

Re: take a look for me please?

I never would have bought a project boat without the intention of seeing it through. At this point I wanted some insight on what to do next. I have a passion for woodworking so taking on this project looks like alot of fun. Nothing better than the pride of rebuilding it yourself. anyone can buy new!

I figured about 3 days for me to remove and replace the wood deck (if thats what its called). Another few days to redo the carpet. I am a slow worker. few hours here and a few more there. I have all winter until fishing season. Thanks for the advice and I will post progress pics and I will need lots of advice.

Very nice project you have there and you have come to the best place for help with this. As you will find, things will take alot longer than planned but will be done correct and give you a piece of mind not having to wonder about things like how solid is the transom/will my motor fall off or will I step threw the deck Take your time do it right and it will last a long time. I look forward to seeing progress on this one, it should keep you busy for a while.

 

[cactusprick]

Re: take a look for me please?

I did not see anywhere if you got the motor running. I would get the motor running before going any further.
Is that peanutbutter and jelly on the floor?

I am not concerned about the motor. it will run, i talked to the guy i bought it from the other day and he was telling me that the rot came from being uncovered for 1 year except the motor. the motor ran like a champ when he used it last so small maintanance is all i should have to do.

 

[oops!]

Re: take a look for me please?

i removed the remaining carpet from the main deck. just as i thought, rotted. I know that i have to replace all the deck wood. more than likely it will all have to go, stringers and all.

you need to take core samples of the stringers ....transom and foam....this cannot be done with visual inspection....unless its obvious......but if every thing else in there is rotted...its a 99% chance the transom is as well.

On a good note the foam is in excellent condition. At this point I dont know how to proceed.

wet foam looks good on the top.....you need to dig into it....search core sample.....and follow the procedures to determine of the foam ....transom ...and stringers are good or bad.

1. should i remove the cap? how do i do this if i have to?

not if you are doing a stringer deck job....

2. when the plywood is put on top of the stringers, are the supports for the upper deck built on top? does that mean i must remove all of those in order to replace that lower deck stuff?

yes

3. dumb question, will just putting a good piece of wood on top of the rotted stuff work or is that just a waste of time?

it will fix nothing, and totally rot the boat out in 2 years....but if the transoms sound......you can do it....but i do not advise it....repair it or sell it as a project boat

4. assuming that i have to remove the cap and the under deck and top supports, how do i remove the plywood since it is fibered together? This part requires more than a quickie answer please, some step by step will be needed.

rip out part of the deck by taking a circ saw setting the blade to 1/2 inch depth and cut out a good 2 foot inspection hole.....make sure you uncover the top of the stringers and the foam......then do a core sample unless it is obvious.......also take a core sample from the transom....im sure thats toast too.

untill you know the extent of the rot.....it will be difficult to proceed.....you just end up pussyfooting around....instead of getting in there and ripping it all out.

in the mean time.....when you are not working on the boat....read everything here.....read it ...read read read.......

there is also a book called runabout renovation by jim anderson.....its a good little bathroom book......a reade 8 read....kinda vauge on the spscifics....but it is a great starting point.

cheers
oops

 

[cactusprick]

Re: take a look for me please?

I have removed 2 sections near the transom on either side of the gas tank. I have drilled 3 or 4 holes about 4 inches deep and the foam is good and dry but all that is a mute point i guess if the top deck is all rotted.

I will get to the mid section this week and take a peek at the stringers. I will post pics of what i find. thanks opps

 

[oops!]

Re: take a look for me please?

take a core sample of the foam....all the way down to the hull....right to the bottom........make sure the core sample is at least one inch wide so you can get a good idea of what is happening in there.

as far as the transom sample.....take a drill bit and just go in about an inch or so in various places.....id the wood is wet or damp.......its gotta come out.

do the same for the stringers.......if they are incased in glass and wet, they have to be replaced.....if no glass and wet.....with time and fans they cann be dryed out and treated with git rot or other rot stopper.