The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

[jimmacl]

Re: The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

RE: pretty soon in ontario were gonna have to e-test our boats haha.

I would like them to try and etest my old Seagull (10:1) or my old johnyrues (16:1) that should plug-up thier test equipment, hehe

 

[ziemann]

Re: The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

Good luck outlawing 2 strokes here in Minnesota. It is not impossible, but highly unlikely. Per capita, there are more boats here than anywhere else. With 15000 fresh water lakes in the state, old outboards last forever. It is nothing to see 50 year old outboards out cruising on area lakes here in Brainerd daily. That is 853000 boats here in MN- and the vast majority have OB's on them. Just in this county alone there are 400+ lakes (of course they call a mud puddle a lake). Some of the coastal states have more overall boats- but not per capita. It would be interesting to see what ownership is per capita in some of the Canadian Provinces. I would bet it is very high well.

Although not impossible, it is highly unlikely that legislators could get support to outlaw them. Even though there are no longer brand new carb'd 2 strokes at dealers, those already on the water will be around here for a very long time. Legislators have better things to do than fight an up hill battle over old outboards- they would face very stiff resistance. Eventually, those old outboards will slowly go away anyway as they die of old age...




State

Rank Boats (2004) 2004 Population Boats per 100,000 % Per Capita Rank
Minnesota 4 853448 5,100,958 16731 16.73% 1
Wisconsin 6 605467 5,509,026 10990 10.99% 2
South Carolina 9 397458 4,198,068 9468 9.47% 3
Michigan 2 944800 10,112,620 9343 9.34% 4
North Dakota 42 52961 634,366 8349 8.35% 5
New Hampshire 32 101626 1,299,500 7820 7.82% 6
Iowa 20 228140 2,954,451 7722 7.72% 7
Alaska 45 49225 655,435 7510 7.51% 8
Arkansas 26 205745 2,752,629 7474 7.47% 9
Mississippi 23 209216 2,902,966 7207 7.21% 10
Maine 35 94582 1,317,253 7180 7.18% 11
Louisiana 15 309950 4,515,770 6864 6.86% 12
South Dakota 44 51604 770,883 6694 6.69% 13
Montana 40 59271 926,865 6395 6.39% 14
Delaware 43 51797 830,364 6238 6.24% 15
Idaho 36 83639 1,393,262 6003 6.00% 16
Oklahoma 25 206049 3,523,553 5848 5.85% 17
Alabama 17 264006 4,530,182 5828 5.83% 18
Missouri 13 326210 5,754,618 5669 5.67% 19
Florida 1 946072 17,397,161 5438 5.44% 20
Oregon 27 190119 3,594,586 5289 5.29% 21
Vermont 48 32498 621,394 5230 5.23% 22
Wyoming 49 25897 506,529 5113 5.11% 23
Nebraska 37 77636 1,747,214 4443 4.44% 24
Tennessee 18 261465 5,900,962 4431 4.43% 25
Washington 16 266056 6,203,788 4289 4.29% 26
Kentucky 28 174463 4,145,922 4208 4.21% 27
North Carolina 11 356946 8,541,221 4179 4.18% 28
Rhode Island 46 43671 1,080,632 4041 4.04% 29
Maryland 24 206681 5,558,058 3719 3.72% 30
Georgia 14 322252 8,829,383 3650 3.65% 31
Ohio 8 414938 11,459,011 3621 3.62% 32
Kansas 33 98512 2,735,502 3601 3.60% 33
West Virginia 39 63504 1,815,354 3498 3.50% 34
Indiana 21 213309 6,237,569 3420 3.42% 35
Virginia 19 242642 7,459,827 3253 3.25% 36
Connecticut 31 111992 3,503,604 3196 3.20% 37
Utah 38 74293 2,389,039 3110 3.11% 38
Illinois 10 393856 12,713,634 3098 3.10% 39
Pennsylvania 12 354079 12,406,292 2854 2.85% 40
Texas 5 616779 22,490,022 2742 2.74% 41
New York 7 519066 19,227,088 2700 2.70% 42
Arizona 30 147294 5,743,834 2564 2.56% 43
California 3 894884 35,893,799 2493 2.49% 44
Nevada 41 57612 2,334,771 2468 2.47% 45
New Jersey 22 209678 8,698,879 2410 2.41% 46
Massachusetts 29 150683 6,416,505 2348 2.35% 47
Colorado 34 98079 4,601,403 2132 2.13% 48
New Mexico 47 38439 1,903,289 2020 2.02% 49
Hawaii 50 13205 1,262,840 1046 1.05% 50

 

[Art Bernard]

Re: The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

Tohatsu makes a nice, small 4 stroke. We bought a 9.8 2 years ago and it lives on the back of my 12' jon boat. Not sure about total weight, but I can lift and lug it around.

Art

 

[HT32BSX115]

Re: The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

Tohatsu makes a nice, small 4 stroke. We bought a 9.8 2 years ago and it lives on the back of my 12' jon boat. Not sure about total weight, but I can lift and lug it around.

Art

Yeah,

That's the one I replaced my 77 6hp Evinrude with to put on my Zodiac Zoom. 81 lbs. It's a pretty nice little engine. I bought it from Onlineoutboards.com and got a pretty good deal on it with shipping included. (I think it was around $1600)

Although not impossible, it is highly unlikely that legislators could get support to outlaw them.

I am not sure I would make that assumption. I don't think idiots like that former comedian would give you the option of voting on something like that. (they didn't in Calif........)

But it is happening on many small and large lakes. For example, if you want to boat on Lake Tahoe, they won't even allow you on the lake with a carbureted 2-stroke.

Which engines will no longer be allowed on Tahoe Region lakes, and when? As of June 1, 1999:
? Carbureted two-stroke engines of more than 10 HP in which the fuel passes through the crankcase,
except auxiliary sailboat engines.

After October 1, 2001:
? Any engine that does not meet the U.S. EPA 2006 or the ARB 2001 emission standard, including EFI
or RFI two-stroke engines
? Two-stroke auxiliary sailboat engines
? Two-stroke engines of 10 HP or less

They're doing it lake by lake too.....(maybe in Minn it will take a little longer (you have more lakes!!!!) but you can probably expect the Game Wardens to be the enforcers)

Here's what CA is saying now......

Facts About Two-Stroke Vessel Engines

• Two-stroke engines are not "banned" for use on all waterways in California, nor is there any plan to do so.
• Carbureted and electronic-injection two-stroke engines are considered high-emission engines. Generally, these engines were manufactured prior to 1999.
• A carbureted two-stroke engine can emit up to 25-30 percent of its fuel unburned into the water or atmosphere, which is why high-emission engines are prohibited on some lakes.
• There are no salt-water or river restrictions in California on high-emission two-stroke engines, excluding personal watercraft (vessels such as Jet Skis) bans in some areas. For example, San Francisco has prohibited personal watercraft within 1200 feet of its shoreline. See "Local Restrictions" on our Web page for a list of lakes.
• Direct injection two-stroke engines, made since 1999, are considered clean emission engines and can be used on every water body in California, with some exceptions not related to emission limits.
• A new direct injection two-stroke engine will normally have a label sticker (with 1 to 3 stars) on its engine cover indicating that it meets California Air Resources Board emission regulations for 2001, 2004, and 2008 for vessel engine manufacturers.

Explanation Of Two-Stroke Vessel Engine Regulations And Restrictions
Two-Stroke FAQ
Local Restrictions - Reservoirs that restrict two-stroke engines.

Note that above, they say:

Two-stroke engines are not "banned" for use on all waterways in California, nor is there any plan to do so..........[emphasis mine]

Yeah.......you all can believe that right? They don't say they'll ban ALL 2 strokes......they also don't say they won't ban "high-emission" engines either.


If anyone thinks that this won't happen on MANY US lakes.........slowly of course...... you're practicing "wishful-thinking".......possibly also known as "Head in sand thinking".


Maybe I am a little head of myself.

But I don't have to worry if I go to a lake that might stop me at the gate.......or the boat cop stopping me in my little Zodiac and telling me I have to paddle it back to shore!!:facepalm:

OTOH, If I was buying a used (outboard powered) boat I would absolutely look for one with either a (compliant) DFI 2 stroke or a 4 stroke. (AND I would LOVE to have a hotrod boat with a Evinrude or Johnson V-8 on the back!!!)


ymmv,


Rick

 

[Sixmark]

Re: The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

Does this mean I have to stop driving my 2 stroke 75hp Evinrude powered riding lawnmower on the water?

 

[HT32BSX115]

Re: The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

Does this mean I have to stop driving my 2 stroke 75hp Evinrude powered riding lawnmower on the water?

If you have a picture, I would LOVE to see it!! (the Evinrude powered lawnmower that is!!)

 

[N7Quarian]

Re: The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

Well here in Venezuela the 2 stroke is still here and very strong. 80% of the boats that do work here have Yamaha enduro engines, my grandfather had a 15 HP Enduro aswell, gas is only 5 cents a gallon for 95 octane and 91 octane is ofcourse cheaper. You can still buy them new over here.

 

[JB]

Re: The End of Two Stroke Outboards - 2011 12 31

N7, it is bad practice and strongly discouraged to reply to or hijack old threads.