The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

I said I didn't like it. I'm just seeing no choice, and the people are going to be a whole lot more ticked if their land is made uninhabitable.

Willy, you need to educate yourself on the things you are posting on.

ARAK, which is a heavy water plant being built by Russia and Iran, and will, among other things, produce Plutonium... It's above ground and not fueled, yet.

The enrichment sites located below ground level can be taken out with "bunker busters", and because they are located deep, little "fallout" can be expected.... you know, the bomb goes off 150 ft. under ground and implodes the whole site, just don't dig there for the next 250,000 years.

Willy, Iran's nuke sites can be taken out with less "radiation release" than Chernobyl, and we all know what an over-blown media event that was.

 

[Kalifornyakid]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

ok thanks Reel Poor, I got it. Add a closed bracket after the link, then between the closed bracket and "url" write in whatever you want to "name" the link?

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

It's kill or be killed. Save the negotiations and the political debating for the cost of the clean-up.
RP, thanks for changing the "diaper")
Frog, they say the 351 is a guzzzzzzzler so.....
I can only hope!.....
I said I didn't like it. I'm just seeing no choice, and the people are going to be a whole lot more ticked if their land is made uninhabitable. What would they have left to lose? You have to take out a few things of value and neutralize the air force to demonstrate the cost of war.

Interesting

I am slowly slipping to the"darkside"....
I don't think I care if they are 'ticked'.....
Whe your land gets scorched by your idealolgy & your big mouth, I ain't gonna feel bad no mo'.......JK

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

They say it's only darkest before the storm.... that implies it is lighter side after.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Crunch. You guys are the ones saying nuke them. Do you really think that radiation is going to fall harmlessly into a tiny pionpoint on the map and every Iranian will bow in fearful obedience? The light after this storm is awfully dim.

"The scientific group, Union of Concerned Scientists, points out that at the Nevada Test Site, the depth required to contain fallout from an average yield nuclear test was over 100 meters, depending upon the weapon's yield. They contend that it is improbable that penetrators could be made to burrow so deeply. With yields between 0.3 and 340 kt of TNT, they contend, it is unlikely the blast would be completely contained."

"Politically, as well, such nuclear bunker busters are unpopular. Most targets are near cities, they argue, and even minimal fallout will inflict unacceptable levels of collateral damage. Furthermore, they state, the testing of new nuclear weapons would be prohibited by the proposed Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, although the United States has refused to agree to be bound by this treaty." Wikipedia

 

[PW2]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

You guys really scare me. Have you not had enough of pooorly planned unnecessary wars that result in catastrophic consequences?

Why in the world do you think this will have a better outcome than Iraq? I don't get it.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

PW2, the consequences of not acting far outweigh the consequences of acting.

Willy, you think the light after the storm looks dim for them? You should see what it will look like for you when 1 million of your fellow Americans are pushing up daisies after a nuke has gone off in your home country.

Israel, in 1982, went on their own and bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities. They were immediately scalded by the world. Twenty years later we were thanking them, because had Saddam obtained a nuclear weapon, he would have used it on us or one of his neighbors, or more importantly, Israel.

I love the comment about "The majority of Iranians don't want Israel wiped out." Very nice. The majority of Iranians don't control the nuke facilities, one whacked out nuthead does.

We aren't trying for a regime change in Iran. We simply don't want that regime to nuke us.

Why can't you see that?

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

What would they gain by nuking us? How many cities could they take out? They have at best, access to a few nukes once fully operational. Use of just one by any country on Planet Earth guarantees their annihilation within hours. One submarine, one aircraft carrier, one bomber can blow Iran to smithereens and make all of Iran uninhabitable. They're not seeking it for offense, they feel a right to defend themselves. Fanatic leadership or not, they must know they'd all die. You don't bet a pair of deuces when you know the dealer has a fistfull of aces and a fully loaded gun to the head of the loser.

Israel took-out Iraq's facility before they had radioactive materials in place. Iran is way beyond that.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

They're not seeking it for offense, they feel a right to defend themselves.

They're goes one of those liberals feeling sorry for someone who wants to chop his head off....

 

[technostingray]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

They say it's only darkest before the storm.... that implies it is lighter side after.

Pitiful, pitiful pitiful. It is always darkest before the dawn.... or the lull before the storm. :cheesencrackers:

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

What would they gain by nuking us? How many cities could they take out?

What would they gain? They'd kill hundreds of thousands of Americans, that's what! That's what they want! Don't you see that? Your blinders are working well!! What did they have to gain by flying fycking airplanes into buildings? Terrorize our nation and kill Americans, something a nuke could do perfectly!!!

With all due respect, you have no clue how the world works Willy. You are also very naive. Iran isn't going to send over an ICBM with the words, "From Iran, with love." They will build a nuke, sell it to a terrorist organization and they in turn will smuggle it into the US. The first indication we have is a mushroom cloud and can't trace what country it came from because the trail is cold. We can't obliterate anybody without proof of where it came from. How exactly, do you nuke Hamas or Al Qaeda? You can't.

The same reason we aren't happy about NK having nukes, although China is keeping them at bay for us. Nobody is holding Iran back.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

water, water, water... you silly boy....

Everyone knows that if we just open a dialogue with Iran and give them lots of aid money that they will be our best friend.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

You guys really scare me. Have you not had enough of pooorly planned unnecessary wars that result in catastrophic consequences?

Why in the world do you think this will have a better outcome than Iraq? I don't get it.

I think PW if you read between the line's a little......the whole middle east thing is coming to a head. And slowly but surely the extremesit are being cornered into a place they cannot run from........Just a opinion and answer's a old question "Are the Saudi's really our freind's."

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Actually JR, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is the Supreme Leader in Iran and appoints all military commanders and controls the military.

He is also the boss of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the loud mouthed President of Iran. Ahmadinejad is currently under a lot of fire from more moderate segments of the very complicated Iranian Government for his fiery speeches against the West, his recently held "Holocaust forum", his too confrontational handling of the "nuclear crisis", and the broken promises he made to get elected. (that is what Willy was alluding to)

None of that means diddle... Iran is a theocracy with just a passing glance at Democracy. (kindda like calling a straight slug of Gin while looking at a bottel of Vermouth and a can of olives a Martini).

If Ayatollah Ali Khamenei did not like what Ahmadinejad was doing and saying, he wouldn't be doing it, period. It doesn't matter if the people like us, it doesn't matter what the people want or think. This 85 year old cleric is the only power in Iran, all the rest is window dressing.

Hey Crunch: Totally agree with your post, and I picked my words: (government), carefully on purpose, because: I did not want to have to respond to a challange of my statement. I am not as skilled in finding the posts or facts to back up what I already have in my head from prior reading as you are my friend. JR

 

[PW2]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

You guys really scare me. Have you not had enough of pooorly planned unnecessary wars that result in catastrophic consequences?

Why in the world do you think this will have a better outcome than Iraq? I don't get it.

I think PW if you read between the line's a little......the whole middle east thing is coming to a head. And slowly but surely the extremesit are being cornered into a place they cannot run from........Just a opinion and answer's a old question "Are the Saudi's really our freind's."

All the more reason to try a different tack, as the course we are on isn't working.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Look I agree, but there are a couple of steps that need to be taken first.

Open a "dialogue". I don't know why, but some think that having a dialogue with whack jobs is real important.

Then we need to go to the UN. While there we need to lay out the type of weapons we are going to use, when we are going to do it, where we are going to launch the weapons from, who will make the decision, what the exact weather conditions will be, and give the press plenty of notice to be in position to take pictures of the injured and dead "victims", and prewrite anti-American hit pieces.

After our plan is laid out to the French, Chineese, and Russians, all the appropriate bribes can be exchanged, and the French can hand over the plans to Iran in plenty of time to ensure limited success, and all illegal deals run threw the UN can be covered up to everyones satisfaction. At that point the Chineese, Russians and French can veto any resolution thus making us "Cowboys".

Following that, all left wingers can being the chant of War Monger and Cindy Sheehan can get back on the front page of every MSM outlet.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

ok, I am waiting on GW to prove Iran actually has a nuke.
I guess if he says it its just gotta be true.
The US really has no fear from Iran and if the Isrealis actually thought Iran had something the smoke would be our first inclination that the Isreali air force was back in action.
if Iran actually had a delivery system maybe I would be more concerned.
I like the fact that the sauds have stepped in economically.
and if the sauds,even though we should have attacked them instead of Iraq, can pull it off it will take out the govt in Venezuela and Nicaragua and bolivia all at the same time.
but if we need to fight Iran all I can do is pray we do it with the next administration not the current.
so far they bungled 2 for 2 all by themselves and I see no reason they wont botch number 3.
at least the next administration will go in with an unkown track record.

the other issue is a future one.
if we use tactical nukes in 07 what stops Russia or China,or pakistan or India from doing the same 5 years from now claiming its in their national security intrest even though it may not be in ours.
once the precedence is set and the genie is out it will be impossible to but back.
at this point we have fair relations with other nuke nations, doesnt mean it willstay that way.
couple that with the fact that Russia and China are not going to be happy with a nuke being dropped that close to their border things may get out of hand.
I would really hate to see the russians or the chinese supply and support Iran militarily after a nuke strike.
right now china sees Iran as not only an energy supplier but a buffer,similar to north korea being a buffer.
so its a lot more complex than I realize and most likly more complex than Rice or Bush realize.
and its the common folk in the middle on all sides that will die.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Only an idiot would use tactical nuclear weapons in this situation. Now lets watch history unfold. Note to Jimmy Carter, if Isreal does the heavy lifting, we are their ally and we should support them. Hopefully they won't resort to the "last" resort because of the political cowardise resulting from a reaction to nutcases who will use the MSM to show dead bodies and weaken resolve. Nuclear war is a first strike, and then second strike event, not a protracted war. It is a gutless political solution to use nuclear weapons.

Isreal seems to have more guts than that.

 

[Bondo]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

What would they gain by nuking us? How many cities could they take out? They have at best, access to a few nukes once fully operational. Use of just one by any country on Planet Earth guarantees their annihilation within hours. One submarine, one aircraft carrier, one bomber can blow Iran to smithereens and make all of Iran uninhabitable. They're not seeking it for offense, they feel a right to defend themselves. Fanatic leadership or not, they must know they'd all die. You don't bet a pair of deuces when you know the dealer has a fistfull of aces and a fully loaded gun to the head of the loser.

Willy,............

Have you heard of Suicide Bombers,...........
They Don't Care,....... Period.........

 

[rodbolt]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

ha
ha ha
got ya there.
no way could anyone sneak in a nuke.
GW has beefed up airport and seaport security so well it would be detected long before it got in the states.
why the UAE would find it before it left a UAE port.
homeland security is to tight now fow anyone to sneak a lighter on an airplane.