The U.S. Postal Service has got to be kidding

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woodrat said:
gee, I've responded to all of your inane, ridiculous, immature and totally unrealistic solutions...

have I stopped driving? No. Is that the end of the story? No. We switched my wife's 20 MPG wagon to a 45 MPG geo. As soon as my job does not require me to own a van, later this fall, then that rig is also gone and will be replaced with a 30-40MPG rig. I have started to set up a small biodiesel plant to feed my truck. I stopped working on the road as much and have been working within 3 miles of home during the summer for three years. I had intended to do more bicycle commuting this year, but it didn't happen. Maybe next year.

At this house, I have grid electricity, but the place i lived before this was powered by solar panels, backed up by a small generator in the winter when it rained for weeks. My fridge was propane, and it used very little of that. I hope to get my well off the grid in the next 12 months, powered by solar. I get most of my produce now from a local farm, and most of meat comes from my farm, or neighbor's farms, or game that friends give me, or fish that I catch. I admit that I've done better at this in the past, but right now we work alot to pay a steep mortgage and have school age kids, and a low impact lifestyle in a rural setting is a little harder to pull off right now, but I am making real improvements all the time.

None of this is inane, or un-workable. It all works just fine, and I sacrifice little in the way of typical american comforts, and use a lot less oil and electricity than the typical american commuter household in the burbs. Your dismissal of all of that as unworkable and simply feel-good just proves my point that Americans will never change until they are forced to by circumstance and many, like you, will taunt and denigrate those who are trying to make positive change. High ideals? No, a simple recipe for survival in an age of less oil and more people around the world competing for it. What is your solution? Well so far, all bluster and military sabre rattling that the world can plainly see that we can't back up without resorting to nukes. Which you are apparently ready to do.

None of those changes would just be "nice". 50 MPG cars aren't just pie in the sky, they have been possible for decades and to have used more of that technology, sooner, would have made a real contribution to the national security you claim to be so concerned about. Instead, you mock the very idea of energy conseration, while being held hostage to a hornets nest of politics in the middle east that inevitably led us into a protracted, messy war. A war which didn't need to happen if we had taken the oil embargo of the seventies as the serious wake up call that it was.

All do-able and all real world. Americans in general and you specifically seem to lack the imagination to see just how do-able it really is. And for that, we will pay and pay and pay and then ultimately run out of oil (or oxygen, whichever comes first) anyway. What a waste!

So I am sure that your not using your boat, correct? Unless it is to feed your family with fish.
 

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Good point, but let's not confuse him. 8)
 

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Well, I live right next to one of the world's great nuclear power failures, so I think AND feel that it is too expensive and too dangerous to be messing with. (By not asking me to think, are you implying that I am incapable of thought?)

try conservation! It's not that hard, and a lot cheaper than nukes even when they don't fail and need to be torn down after 20 years. Jeez, you can go buy compact fluorescent light bulbs at home depot now for about $3 each and it wouldn't take very many of those around the country to make up for one nuclear power plant that spends half it's time offline for repairs anyway. Drive through your closest city and look at all the damn lights burning all night long in empty office buildings. What would be so inane and un-doable about turning them off at night? My wife works at the our local courthouse at night cleaning and says that they have the heat on at 70 degrees or warmer in that building 24 HOURS A DAY, every day of the year. A $30 programmable thermostat (home depot again) could solve that problem, but apparently that's too commie or something for our county commissioners who are constantly bemoaning their small budget and yet trying to close down the county fair every year to save money.

Solutions for today's terrorism? I don't have any solid answers for you there, and last I checked, neither did our president. But I do know that people like me have been suggesting these kinds of energy conservation ideas for decades, at least partly as a national security solution, and people like you, for decades, have been denigrating the ideas and the people who bring them up. Now we have a big problem and you still say energy conservation isn't worth the time of day. Well, I've got news for you, things aren't getting any better, for the terrorism picture or the energy prices picture. And continuing to talk about killing whole countries populations to defeat terrorism is worse than inane.
 

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gee, I've responded to all of your inane, ridiculous, immature and totally unrealistic solutions...

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EricKems said:
So I am sure that your not using your boat, correct? Unless it is to feed your family with fish.

Actually, that and pulling logs out of the river to saw for lumber to sell are the uses that I put my boat to. Nice try though. Disregard a whole page of information looking for some grain of hypocrisy. Of course you will find it, I'm human too. But that doesn't change the essence of what i am talking about.
 

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"Solutions for today's terrorism? I don't have any solid answers for you there"

End of conversation.
 

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custombycrunch said:
gee, I've responded to all of your inane, ridiculous, immature and totally unrealistic solutions...

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there you go with a typical response to hearing stuff you don't like. You can call me and my suggestions inane and worse, but I can't turn around and do the same to you with provoking this kind of nonsense. jeez, maybe immature wasn't strong enough of an adjective...
 

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custombycrunch said:
"Solutions for today's terrorism? I don't have any solid answers for you there"

End of conversation.

This was barely a conversation to begin with..
 

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I know.... you need to get a basic knowledge of your subject before you can form an opinion... then you can engage in conversation.
 

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Ohhhhh, and personal attacks will get you nowhere.
 

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Woodrat, they have minds like steel traps....
Nothing gets in& nothing gets out.....
I think they are both from Peoria & will not 'fess up....
But that is my own pet hypothesis.....
I thought you were farther down from Hanford & the water was a litlte better there.....
You seem a little smarter than people from Portland or Vancouver......
Are you in jeopardy?
I'll call Dubya & Weezy in the morning & get it straightened out....d:).......JK
 

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Haut said:
Woodrat, they have minds like steel traps....
Nothing gets in& nothing gets out.....
I think they are both from Peoria & will not 'fess up....
But that is my own pet hypothesis.....
I thought you were farther down from Hanford & the water was a litlte better there.....
You seem a little smarter than people from Portland or Vancouver......
Are you in jeopardy?
I'll call Dubya & Weezy in the morning & get it straightened out....d:).......JK

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Up your meds... It MIGHT help, but I doubt it.
 

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Personal attacks? oh please! you can dish them out, but apparently can't take them, even in jest.

You've avoided even responding to the volumes of well-informed opinion that I have posted, but continue to hammer away, demanding that I provide a right-now answer to an intractable problem that even the leadership of this country is at a loss to do anything about. You denigrate and mock the long-term ideas that I have put forth, without ANY knowledge of the subject and then you cry "ban him!" when I dump your own s**t back in your lap.

And then you say "conversation over" as if you were participating in one and you alone have the right to say when it's over.

Oh and the little smiley guy pointing at the "rules"? Show me what rules I've broken. You guys are all the same. You want to throw around your self-righteous rhetoric and inflammatory calls for nuclear war, but then if someone comes along and disagrees with you you start complaining about "disruptors" and trolls and start waving your pitchforks. Lame.
 

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Haut;

I was talking about Trojan, not Hanford. I am a ways from hanford, although downstream is still downstream.

Yeah, I'm often in jeapordy, especially here on iboats.
 

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We need Rubber Frog to let a fart in here . . .
 

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All you feel good ultra liberals need to get a clue. Do you realize that the middle east extreme Muslims are looking at what is happening now as a God Damn Holy war! They missed out on the 20th century. I wonder if you would plan your vacation in their neighborhood. Talk is cheap. We cannot rationalize with them They are irrational. God for Christ sake tells them what to do. I say do what needed to be done with Japan with them. You dudes that say it is wrong don't have a solution. Screw the rhetoric. Time has come for decisive action. We have the ability. We should use it. If we don't this will go on like it has in that region for what.......900 years? Get real and get a grip. I'm ready to hear solutions from you feel good PC correct group. You don't have a solution. All you can do is complain. Don't bother responding with anything less then solutions.. I don't want to hear anything but solutions. I hate what needs to be done. None the less it has to be done. I feel sorry for the kids you liberals raise. You probably feel you need to talk to your kids and would never think of giving a kid a crack on their azz. You raise kids that are a problem for this country. But back to it. SIMPLE! War is a bad thing. We are in one. Nothing is nice about it. Get the job done. Play with the BS that has been played with this group and it will go on forever.
Now they call it a crusade. For Christ sake that was over 900 years ago. You liberals need a good shot of reality. This needs a swift end. Screw the talks. That doesn't work. Kill them all and let God sort them out.
 

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Is a "Holly War", like "The War of the Roses"?:}
 

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Haut said:
12, what in the world are you talking about?
LOL. Point well-taken, HM.
I got off the topic of stamps a tad --- dunno how that happened :)
well, i sorta do, but -- I'll try to put this train back on the tracks in a selfish way;

We were talking about stamps and the ability to put enough hallucinogens (sp) on one as to trip a hippy.
They have had that technology for a couple years now, from what I've seen, and personally, I was pondering the current technology. What if that "drop" could track the stamp,sender to receiver? The gubment printed them, so they could've even used trippy ink!

What if the "microdot" was potent enough to track or kill? As an old warrior who had no problem with the democratic admistrstration of the 40's temporarily locking-up or keeping total tabs on asians durring a global war with the axis --- I have no problem with tripping-up (or even tripping-OUT) a few mutants.

I ponder the possibility of printers with micro chips in them that the coalition used to home-in on durring operation Dessert Storm" in the 90's (Have you heard about that one?) and just how far the technology has progressed..... My doggies have chips in their necks that can be used to locate them, should they get nabbed by mutant pit bull trainers fer krisakes! Aint technology grand?

And I think the whole possibilty of such a weapon is being totally overlooked in this thread .... So i kinda strayed off for a moment. :)

Well, I'm all better now...Where TH were we?



 

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"Kill them all and let God sort them out. "

Osama (and many fundie whackos in THIS country as well) would be proud of you.

Lobbing nukes around would most certainly bring on a swift end alright, but probably not the one you are thinking of.

12, did you happen to notice that those stamps which you are "tripping out" about are self adhesive? No licking of the stamps is involved in their use.
 

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woodrat said:
"Kill them all and let God sort them out. "
He will, don't sweat it too much.

woodrat said:
Osama (and many fundie whackos in THIS country as well) would be proud of you.
Are you refering to me? If so, what would they be proud of? I am, after all, their worst nightmare, an armed American redneck Christian who still remembers and is enraged about the Marine baracks attack,and every other sortie they have perpetrated upon me.
Proud? I don't think so.
But I could be wrong.

woodrat said:
Lobbing nukes around would most certainly bring on a swift end alright, but probably not the one you are thinking of.
Got any? This "nuke" thing.. Iz this Something you thunk-up on yer own, rat?
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woodrat said:
12, did you happen to notice that those stamps which you are "tripping out" about are self adhesive? No licking of the stamps is involved in their use.

I did not know that...hmmm.... The adhesive somehow makes a difference? Maybe all is normal, the post office is innept as always, and the adhesive saves the taliban... Ok, rat. Whatever. Have fun.
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