Thead Merger to Avoid "Hostile Takeover" ;D

[technostingray]

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2. well here is another "buck" and I will post back on the 700E thread. Two for the price of one. Getting ready for the grandson and the youngest "hired hand" birthday barbeque and haven't been out to the garage under the tree to check or work on the boat. <br />78. No we were trying to start in reverse. If you were "flying" down the lake or river and you wanted to slow down the only way I can imagine would to be to reverse the prop. Pulling the "throttle" back decreases the propultion but does nothing to counteract the forward moment. My understanding is that you must kill the engine and activate the starter to accomplish this. Right now the boat is not moving, we are just testing the engine using the horse trough as a water supply. Additionally, could any damage be caused by pulling the "throttle" beyond the "silent neutral" position? We have yet to get the engine to "run backwards" and do not have a clue why it won't start.

 

[2cycle]

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We may need Clams for this one. I'm really in the dark as I've only "heard" about these (im)famous motors. Can you simply kill the engine with the key to slow down? Even with mechanical shift, you just basically put it in neutral and then wait to stop and then put in reverse. I couldn't see reversing the engine @ say 15 MPH. Just uninformed surmising here.<br /><br />Another good poster to seek out would be Chinewalker. He may/probably have some links on the internet if you do a google search. I think he and Clams are related somehow. <br /><br />I love the "garage under the tree" reference. That sums up most of my outboard experiences if you discount rebuilding the Evinrude on the kitchen table while the women were away and/or heating the pistons for expansion in the oven. <br /> <br />Do you live on a ranch of some sorts?

 

[CATransplant]

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I haven't run a dockbuster merc in years, but like all boats, there are no brakes. You won't want to put the outboard in reverse while still moving forward at a good clip. Not in any boat.<br /><br />In reality, boats slow pretty quickly when you cut power back, but you have to plan ahead a bit. It's certainly not like driving a car, where you always have a brake pedal.<br /><br />The only time, really, when reverse comes into play much is in docking. Typically, you'll creep toward the dock slowly in forward, then use reverse to stop yourself at the right moment. At docking speeds, you needn't worry about going from forward to reverse...except when driving a boat with one of these old Mercs.<br /><br />The problem is that you have to restart the engine to get into reverse, since it stops when you move into the neutral area with the control.<br /><br />That means the outboard must be in really good running condition to execute a neat docking maneuver...hence the "dockbuster" name for these engines.<br /><br />Nothing wrong with restarting a 2-stroke engine in reverse. Many little automobiles in Europe used that method to reverse. On an outboard, it's less than brilliant, though, since the boat is probably moving forward as you're trying to get reverse and just ease up to the dock.<br /><br />This was not one of Mercury's finest decisions.

 

[technostingray]

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Matching you post for post and trying to maintain some continuity is a challenge.<br />As Will Rogers says, anything over an acre is a ranch in CA.<br />Chinewalker has posted in another forum but have not heard anything with regard to this thread.<br />As to using the engine to "slow" the break out another thousand It seems to me this is a common nautical tactic that goes back to the stern wheeler.<br />Could it be that Chinewalker is cc's alter ego? <br />Clams is from SC too, isn't he? Will check the post from Chinewalker for his 'profile'.<br />Look forward to hearing from you.

 

[2cycle]

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Yes, Clams is about an hour from me on Lake Hartwell. He's a transplant from "up north" - but their loss is our gain. (Not that we still fight "The War of Northern Aggression" in SC anymore.) <br /><br />Speaking of transplants, "CATransplant" posted some good thoughts almost simultaneously to your last post. Hopefully, the fact that reverse is used so little will minimize potential frustration with the motor.

 

[gwmark78]

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Techno, as far as trying to go past the forward starting point to reverse, I can only tell you that my brother tore up the lower unit on ours 30 years ago messing around with that. I don"t know exactly what he did but I just remember my dad telling him to leave the reverse alone from now on. Getting the dual point ignition system properly synced and timed is critical in getting the motor to start and run in both directions. Mine starts ok in reverse, but not as well as forward. So I just deal with it because I don't use reverse that much.

 

[technostingray]

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Where to start, first let me say thanks to all. The small world syndrome? CA transplant, when were you uprooted? Theory and practicallity are often worlds apart but application is dependendant on physical principals. Do you remember the joke about the first time the hotrodder drove his automatic transmission. He says, Well first put it in L for Lunge and got going really good. Then I put it in D for Drag and was really going but when I put it in R for Race everything came apart.<br />I have a nephew who works for the University of MN.<br />2. I gleaned some info on Chinewalker and if cc is a northern transplant it is a good chance they are related or formerly acquainted. <br />Calvinest, I can understand how trying to force a gear to move in a counter motion would cause damage. I guess it depends on how much the mechanism coasts. Since this is a direct drive mechanism there would be no wa to sync the drive until it is at dead stop. Any action prior to that could concievable cause damage. Being a Dad I can just see the expression on his face when he became aware. :razz:

 

[Chinewalker]

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The Dockbusters are a little out of my area of expertise, but I know just enough to be dangerous... It is my understanding that there are several duplicate systems in the DB motors that help things run backwards a bit more smoothly. I would start with the basics - got spark in reverse mode? The fuel and compression portions of the Big Three should remain static, but spark is the one that may have a different pathway in reverse mode. Can you confirm that the starter is spinning the motor backwards in reverse mode? <br /><br />Nope - never met Clams. Corresponded with him numerous times over the years, though...<br />- Scott

 

[heybaylor]

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the ignition is the same forward or reverse..<br />your distributer timing is usually the culprit..<br /><br />see if indeed your distributer goes far enough "backward to cause a "advanced" position in reverse..<br /><br />also ,you will find that the direct gearing will slow you down ..pretty quick ..no "ratchet gear in that baby..<br />the engine almost has to be at a stop in the water<br />to take drag off the prop to allow the starter to spin the engine backward..<br /><br />forget every thing you learned about docking with a neutral /rev lower unit ..<br />you will have to develope a new procedure..<br />that usually comes with "docking bumper's..lol

 

[technostingray]

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Thank you. It wants to run but just won't cough it up. From your web page I thought you would be just the answer. The intricate adjustments that must be made is probably the key. I must point out that this is well worn engine. Once we get it to cool I think we can get some fun out of it. As long as the thousands don't run out. Any comment on the lack of urination? Thanks again.

 

[heybaylor]

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Oh yeah , I forgot ..pull the lower unit and find the "two" copper tubes ..<br />one is for water pressure, and the other is water dump..<br />hook a hose and watch ..then put in a new impeller while you are there..<br />Just where is the pee -hole on your 's ..mine never had one

 

[Paul Moir]

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I don't know if this is much use to you, but hopefully it'll help (if you havn't got it already):<br /><br /> Dockbuster Timing Info

 

[CATransplant]

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Paul,<br /><br />Wow! I read through those instructions. They make a link and synch look like child's play. <br /><br />I remember my dad driving one of these, but it's a dim memory. As I remember, he approached docks very slowly. I don't think he used the reverse mode unless he made some kind of error, and he rarely did that.<br /><br />Of course, it would be really cool to have one of these set up just so, and dock perfectly. The old-timers hanging around the dock would nod their heads in appreciation.

 

[CATransplant]

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I moved to MN last year, after selling my vastly over-valued home in California. Never looked back.

 

[technostingray]

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I am becoming concerned about cc. Incidentally, I know what a Clam is, but what is a Canino?<br />Thank you Paul am headed that way just now....

 

[technostingray]

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Interesting, Mr Plant, may I call you trans? Did you have long underwear when you moved? Evidentally someone thought it was worth the money. Where was this Mona Lisa located. You know what the Realtors(TM) say - Location, location location.

 

[Paul Moir]

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CATransplant, I know what you mean. Everytime I run into one of these Merc 'challanges' I go look at my Johnny 4hp with great admiration. I'm just warming up the Gnat now for it's big day tomorrow (launching). Know any other brand of outboard that you have to whip the timing light out and re-time the engine if you want to adjust the idle?? Or any other outboard that has a lower unit lube all leak out if the waterpump gets knocked during an impeller replacement?

 

[technostingray]

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Well Mr Baylor, may I call you Hey? I may have confused terminolgy. I thought it was about midway up the lower unit about the size of a garden hose. I didn't see any water returing to the tank so I assumed there was some sort of a blockage. Armed with this new information I think we can go forward. You are the "onliest" one to contradict this terminolgy but I am sure you know what you are talking about. Stay tuned.....

 

[technostingray]

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Am I being had for lunch? There is nothing in the book that discusses the distribution of coolant. Where is this tell tale I have heard so much about? Is there any way other than tearing down the lower unit to confirm pump function?:rolleye: Or is this anothre built in job security thing?

 

[gwmark78]

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Techno, Don't roll your eyes and go out and start that motor up with the cowl off and put your hand on the side of the exaust plate as I said earlier- IF it gets more than barely warm, you need to pull the lower gearcase and do the water pump renew thing. YOU should do it anyway. It only takes about an hour if it's not seized on the driveshaft. As to the tell tale, I had several individuals tell me my motor probably did not have one- until this year when I tore things down to restore, I could not find it either. Now, it pees like I did when I was 16 years old.