Thoughts on this trailer

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smokeonthewater said:
Good lord man.... I haven't been fighting over technicalities, I have been TRYING MY DAMNEDEST to EDUCATE YOU...... I even defended you a bit, explaining your terminology on my last post..... I give up..... call it what you want.... You THINK you are really saying something here but the PM's are flying.... SEVERAL people have been laughing at you..... You just don't get it..... STILL no hard feelings but I'm done trying to explain this to you..... Instead of really considering anything, you are only looking to argue or make jokes.
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Even your own friends are laughing at you, know what you are talking about before you try to "educate". What did I do in the beginning to deserve you to attack me anyway? Jut don't like it when people don't use the proper scientific terminology? I said a mig (gmaw) is better for frame work on that boat trailer than his friends arc (smaw) and you attacked me saying it's the same thing. didn't know we had my old welding teacher on our boating site. give it up, go buy a tapout shirt and go hit the highschool next time you feel like fighting.
 
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That warning is on all the Macks I have driven,but when we had a cracked frame on a '99 CH600,it was welded up by a well known local shop.
 
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impatico said:
Even your own friends are laughing at you, know what you are talking about before you try to "educate". What did I do in the beginning to deserve you to attack me anyway? Jut don't like it when people don't use the proper scientific terminology? I said a mig (gmaw) is better for frame work on that boat trailer than his friends arc (smaw) and you attacked me saying it's the same thing. didn't know we had my old welding teacher on our boating site. give it up, go buy a tapout shirt and go hit the highschool next time you feel like fighting.
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a stick welder is an EXCELLENT choice for welding on a frame... YOU ARE WRONG!

I DO know.... you were NOT at any time "attacked". You posted incorrect statements and used incorrect terms and were politely corrected on them... You needed to be corrected for the benefit of others reading and trying to learn from the thread... I haven't insulted you

example:
impatico said:
legally you can't use a arc welder on frames
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I suppose you use a stick welder on exhaust too? not too many autobody shops with stick welders, it's all mig nowadays. So on the thinwall frames you see nowadays use a mig NOT a stick, you are wrong. if you are working on logging trucks or excavators like I do for a living then yes use a stick. would you really recommend using stick on that flimsy boat trailer in the pics in this thread?
 
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I recommended passing on that pos trailer that you considered to be a "fair deal"
As for welding it YES that trailer frame is no thinner than 1/8" and while I love my mig, and prefer it on almost everything, the stick welder would also work great for that.... we aren't talking about auto body or exhaust here....

My stick welder is my go to machine for heavy stuff because it is a bigger welder than my mig.... If I had bigger mig I would probably never use the stick welder BUT before I had a mig YES I welded exhaust, jeep fenders and all sorts of this stuff with the only welder I had.... a 200 amp stick buzzbox.... I practiced welding steel soup cans together and while it takes a bit of practice, it IS possible
 
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I know it's possible I used to weld all kinds of thin metal with stick but it's just not the right tool for the job. The head welder at work has his fab ticket and been welding/fabbing for 38-40 years and he thought I was crazy when I said I used to do that with a stick. Why bother? he said, use mig.... use the right tool if you have it available
 
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Hi all, Seems to me it may be best to run the trailer over to your local certified welding shop, get an opinion based on the present condition of the trailer v. length, weight, ballance point, and girth of the boat you intend on mounting on it. Check with the laws regarding non-spec'd trailers and what's involved to have it rated or if it requires some sort of certification.
 
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A monkey can get a decent weld with a mig but a stick machine requires much more skill.... You'll get no arqument from me saying that a mig is much easier and highly recommended.... I just stop short of saying the stick is wrong... 1/8" and thicker is not at all too thin for a buzzbox

The REASON to specify this is that someone reading may only have the stick available and would want to know that it is very possible

BTW... my last post may have been misleading.... I never did get very good at welding those dang cans together but practicing on them made exhaust seem EASY
 
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I used a 7014 rod for this stuff and our welding foreman hasn't even heard of one, I don't think he believes me lol
 
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I'm with foreman. Don't think I believe it either.
 
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While the discussion about stick vs. mig is interesting and all, I never said I had access to a mug, so it's all moot. I have access to a stick welder from a friend. I do not own a welder. I said I had used a mig in the past, I don't have one now nor can I get one.

You guys are welcome to carry on arguing about this stuff, but the whole thing got way off topic.
 
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how bout we get back ON topic.... are you still interested in this trailer and do you still have any questions on it you need answered?
 
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superbenk said:
Nope. I'm not going to get it.
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ok well, good luck finding a trailer for your boat...... watch C/L like a hawk, the deals are out there... I just picked up a 21' full roller with a junk boat for $100 and took the boat to the landfill for $30... trailer needed tires, lights, and a jack but otherwise great shape.
 
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Well I don't know why I read all that...but glad you decided against that trailer, your better off following smokes advice, get a structurally sound frame and go from there...with not too much coin you can get it set up just right and make it look good to boot! Now will someone please give me my 15 minutes back?
 
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superbenk: Smart move. That trailer never was or ever will be more than junk, bad design from the get.

impatico,
(1) It's MIG that was a no no on frames not stick, due to the lack of penetration of MIG compared to stick. (I did the stick welding on the frames in the automotive factory and if MIG could have done it, then the robots would have had the job.)
Will MIG work, yes, but you have to know when it's OK, and that was up to the engineers and always a none safety item.

(2) A good commercial DC reverse polarity welder and a Journeyman welder can weld with a stick, anything a MIG can and a whole lot more.
A MIG is just so much easier/cleaner with gas, it just doesn't make sense to stick weld when a MIG can do the job.

(3) 7014 rod (hillbilly rod) Please don't use it on anything that's going to go on the highway or anything that has to be safe. I've seen 7014 welds fail way too often to trust that rod. Again it's penetration that it lacks.

Not picking on you impatico, but just couldn't let it go.
I'm retired as a journeyman electrician and had to get state certified for welding.
I am no way even close to a Journeyman welder. Having worked with them, I have to say they are truly artist.
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as I said I used the 7014 on really thin metal for practicing, what kinda frames were you working on? what changed? why do they only use mig on frames now? just to save costs?
 
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Interesting welding lesson, picking up a few pointers, but back to the issue of this trailer. If it's homemade it's a duplicate of a TrailMaster trailer. I had one and it was made of 4" channel iron. Only identifing tag was in the front "V" inside the right channel. It's only a decal that is glued on. Pricing in your area is so much lower than here. I sold mine late last fall for $1000.00 and that is pretty typical of this area.
 
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