Timid but determined Glasstream restoration

[BobsGlasstream]

Re: Timid but determined Glasstream restoration

Thanks everyone,
I'll get her finished someday. I need to kick it in gear if I'm going to get her painted this year.
I'll be home again this weekend, I should be able to get more time on the boat. We can only hope.
Thanks again
Bob

 

[sprintst]

Re: Timid but determined Glasstream restoration

The prep work looks great. The paint job will be smokin' when your done.

I'm still trying to have fun and not turn it into a job. Working 60 hours ot in a week and a bit takes the wind out of your sails for sure. I'm not working this weekend and the boat will get some time

 

[Friscoboater]

Re: Timid but determined Glasstream restoration

Apply, sand, repeat. I know that all to well. Looks good my friend.

 

[micks110]

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Bob- I know you like tools- so hit the high spots of the filler with the orbital and then hand sand after that. The green filler looks like the 3m premium filler. That wasn't as bad as the high strength 3m filler though! I intended to sand everything by hand but it is just to time consuming. If you are careful with the orbital to get the high spots, hand sanding the rest isn't that bad.
Good Luck when you get back on it- you're getting there! And like arch said- the only ones who are going to see the bottom are the fish! Be more tedious on the sides where you'll see.

 

[BobsGlasstream]

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hello Folks,
Well, I'm back at home again this weekend.
Thanks to all my friends for the kind words.
sprintst, Mick and friscoboater,
thanks for stopping by. I know you have all been busy with your own projects and life in general.
I know that my boat won't be in the water this year, so I still have a lot of time to get it just the way I want it before the boating season comes around. I still have 8 months to work on it. I hope I can get her done.
It's hard to believe that it's been almost a year ago I started this project. Time passes pretty quick when you are having fun.
Mick,
Don't forget I work with wood, I do a lot of hand sanding.
I hope that all of you are enjoying your weekend.
Take care
Bob

 

[redfury]

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Just got my boat flipped, and I'm looking forward to actually doing body work, since if I'm doing that, then that means the structural work is done and I can actually make something look pretty for once! I just gotta get it cleaned off before I can start sanding. I've got a bit of work to do, but I'm mostly interested in getting the bottom of the hull prepped and painted. Then I can flip the hull again and put it all together, tape off the bottom and paint the rest. Of course, things doing always go the way you plan it, right?

If you paint the hull, what brand are you leaning towards? I'm really sold on the idea of IMRON, but I can be swayed at this point.

 

[archbuilder]

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Not trying to hi-jack your thread here bob.... But I was heading down the Imron road redfury....but the guy I know at my local DuPont paint store told me that the new stuff is a watered down version of what I was used to 20 years ago. He recommended that I go with DuPont Cromabase.....very happy with it. The base clear is a pain if you are doing just one color, but it makes it really nice if you are doing stripes....just 30 minutes and you can tape off stripes and put on another color. Once you are done, just hit it all with the general purpose clear. After a summer of use it still looks great! Its as durable as any paint I have seen. I'm really happy with it, if you can run a sprayer I think it is the way to go.....and you can't beat the colors, anything you can think of including metalics!

 

[BobsGlasstream]

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Hello arch and Redfury,
No problem with a little hijack.
That's what the threads are for, open discussion's on whatever.
If I go down the painting road, I will follow arch. Mainly because he is so darn happy with Miss Morgan.
Did I tell you all how much I love sanding? I will say this, the bow is as slick as a baby's Gluteus maxi-mus. I wonder how close I got that to being spelled correctly?
I have went through a lot of sand paper so far.
Hey arch, what primmer did you use?
If I go with paint I could be ready pretty quick. Well, I still to get a better compressor before I can spray. I'm still looking for a bargain on the compressor and I think I'm getting close on it.
I hope everyone is having a great weekend.
Take care.
Bob

 

[CheapboatKev]

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Lol Bob,
arse maximus!

 

[BobsGlasstream]

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Kev,
Glad you enjoyed it.
Bob

 

[redfury]

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Not trying to hi-jack your thread here bob.... But I was heading down the Imron road redfury....but the guy I know at my local DuPont paint store told me that the new stuff is a watered down version of what I was used to 20 years ago. He recommended that I go with DuPont Cromabase.....very happy with it. The base clear is a pain if you are doing just one color, but it makes it really nice if you are doing stripes....just 30 minutes and you can tape off stripes and put on another color. Once you are done, just hit it all with the general purpose clear. After a summer of use it still looks great! Its as durable as any paint I have seen. I'm really happy with it, if you can run a sprayer I think it is the way to go.....and you can't beat the colors, anything you can think of including metalics!

Arrr, that's the problem with paints. There are so many to chose from and they all have their good and bad points. Kinda sucks to hear that about Imron, but I've seen that with a couple of finishes I've used for Hardwood floors. I just coated a dance studio that was 1200 sq/ft and the product was a 2 part waterbased finish...top shelf stuff @ 125 bucks a gallon. Coverage rate was supposed to be about 400 ft/gal and I coated the entire thing with 1 1/2 gallons of finish with a tiny bit left to spare. You do the math. I wasn't squeegeeing this stuff on either The older version of it was much thicker when it came to coverage. I think I'm going to start a paint thread...perhaps it can be a compendium of paints and experiences for people to make their choices on.

 

[archbuilder]

Re: Timid but determined Glasstream restoration

A lot of the changes in Imron have to do with complying with the VOC requirements........EPA saving us from ourselves again..... One thing to keep in mind, Imron is a polyurethane, and chroma base is a urethane. I did some research and I couldn't find much that was difference between the two types of chemistry. Dupont also makes a brand of paint called Nason. They have similar lines and it is cheaper, sort of a Cadillac and Chevy kind of thing. I went with the Dupont, for two thing reasons. 1) I wanted a Cadillac finish and didn't want to take short cuts after all that sanding! 2) My paint store guy said Dupont has more solids in it than Nason.....that is why Dupont cost more . (plus it says Dupont =$$$$$)

Bob I did use a Nason two part non-shrink high build primer. (Euro, I think is what its called) It is great for getting scratches and imperfections out. If you get the hull down to 80 grit you can spray it on and wet sand it down to 400#, then you are ready for paint. You really don't need it unless you have a lot of sins to cover up. It will cover up a ton of sins, I'm sure you remember what Miss Morgan looked like! Think of it as makeup for boats, lol!

Once I had it down to 400, I shot a urethane sealer on it right before the paint. (you spray it, wait 20 minutes or so, then paint. If you wait overnight you have to do more sanding!) I wanted to have an even base color, since automotive paints (especially metallic and red) can be fairly transparent.

As for spraying Bob, the base coat is hard to screw up, it dries almost instantly. The clear coat is a little tricky, but not any harder than spraying a finish on wood. Just make sure you get a nice consistent wet coat. You also have to keep a "wet edge". If you work your way around from one side back to your starting point, you may find that it doesn't burn into the paint you put on first because it has tacked up already. I painted some on one side, then switched, back and forth till I worked my way from the front to the back.

 

[archbuilder]

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Correction the Nason primer is called 2K.

 

[BobsGlasstream]

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Hey Arch,
Thanks for the info,
80 grit, huummmmm. Ya know I started the first sanding session with 220, then I switched to 80, and then I went to 60, I think I'm going in the wrong direction.
I am sanding out all the scratches and now I'm seeing a lot of bare glass. I guess I should stop before I see the inside of the boat.
I'm making sure that I keep it nice and flat. Tonight I had a sander in each hand.
Electric sanders don't really work as well as a good pneumatic sander. I have two good ones but not enough air for either.
I would show you some dirty pictures but they are just me covered in dust. At least it doesn't itch.
I think I will go to sleep now.
Take care everyone.
Bob

 

[archbuilder]

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Glad to here you are making progress Bob! To bad about the compressor, a good air powered DA would make life a lot easier! I'm spoiled by that big Ingersol Rand compressor I bought a couple of years ago......I rember, sand, stop wait for the compressor.......sand, stop wait for the compressor! No fun at all!

 

[BobsGlasstream]

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Hey arch,
That new to me compressor is in my future very soon. I just missed a great buy on one the other day for $350, It was a 5 HP IR too, and almost new.
I don't even try my air tools with this little compressor. I would be standing around more then working.
I will post some pic's tomorrow night. Just the sanding thing again.
The bottom had a lot of deep scratches and I just want to make sure I get them out.
I also picked up a couple really heavy racks on wheels from work, I'm cutting them down to use under the boat so I can move it around and lots of extra steel that will come in handy when I fix the trailer too.
Take care all.
Bob

 

[fauxmeister]

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Sounding great Bob...good luck on finding a compressor. I am a decorative artist and sometimes do cabinet and furniture makeovers. Anyway I needed a larger compressor than the little pancake I was using and I went to the paint store I get my supplies thru and talked with the equipment repair guy that does repairs on their sprayers, compressors, etc. He buys them on the side and repairs/rebuilds them and then sells them. I got a 30 gal. with a 3hp Rigid unit that he had rebuilt for $100. I could still use a little larger but it sure has been an upgrade over the little one I had been using. Might check around some of the paint stores and see who they are using. Might get a good deal. Good luck...

 

[HVAC Cruiser]

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Hey Bob,

I'm using 80 grit on a pneumatic 6" DA sander, its working great. Even if you can rent a compressor for 2 days it might be worth it. I would go with bigger than 5hp though, my 5hp never shuts off. It will stay at 90# but runs forever .
My heart goes out to you using an electric I tried that seemed like it took forever and a day

 

[tallcanadian]

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I started with 80 grit as well and a random orbital sander. I use to lay in bed and night and it felt like my eye balls were vibrating... I'm sure your bottom is looking good. I'll be looking for the pics.

 

[BobsGlasstream]

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Hello all,
Thanks for the advice and encouragement. Renting one is a Royal PITA, I'm gone to much and it's hard to pick up and return.
My DA uses about 7-9 cfm at 90#, The one I'm looking at will give me at least 14.5 cfm. I know arch yours is 18 cfm, I'm still looking at the IR and may go that way yet. To many decisions,.
Ok I said I would show some dirty pic's so here you go.
Frontal view.

From the side.

Now I cleaned them up for the rest of you.

My sander is a 12 inch so and I keep it moving down the hull to make sure it stays flat. The gel coat that is still on the bow is only a very thin layer. I don't think the glass is very flat from the original build. It will be when I finished.
The only reason any of it is shinny, is because it's still wet from the water hose.
Take care
Bob