Tire wear inside BADLY!!!!! Finally RESOLVED, More Pics!!!!

krakatoa

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a few more

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Ayuh,.. It Still looks Overloaded... 'ell you can See the bend in the axle...
 

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That axle has got to be bent. If the bearings are tight then that is all that is left. The axle is flexing in the middle with weight on it. I am going through the same thing with my axle on my trailer. It is a 2x3 axle and you wonder what kind of force it took to bend it, but somehow its bent or just weak and bows with the boat on it. Mine wears tires badly on the insides too and your camber looks a lot worse than mine. Mine is only out .5 degrees on each side and not visible and it wears tires. I would replace the axle.
 

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go weigh your boat and trailer.... I think you are going to find that it is way over 1750 lbs.... if so you really need a bigger trailer but at least swap in a 3500 lb axle
 

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Well I bought new spindles 1/38 inner 1 1/16 other, schedule 40 galv round tube and hub galv kit. Let see what happen. I hope this new setup resolve this situation.

I believe that spindles on trailer right now (1 1/16 inner and outer) obviously in no way handle the weight. those ones can go for up to 1250 pounds. The new ones goes up to 1750 pounds each...

Any mistake cost a few bucks....:rolleyes: learning the hard way;)
 

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go weigh your boat and trailer.... I think you are going to find that it is way over 1750 lbs.... if so you really need a bigger trailer but at least swap in a 3500 lb axle

The trailer papers list this trailer to hold up to 1750, this one is fine for the boat, my mistake was on the installed 1 /=1/16 spindles, also the tube was galv but not schedule 40..
 

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schedule 40 is pipe not tube..... tube is sold with measured dimensions for o.d. and wall thickness.... pipe is not the proper material.... I think your boat weighs more the 1750 lbs..... It is indeed just a few dollars you lose in learning unless of course the axle snaps and a tire comes off causing an accident that kills someone
 

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The trailer papers list this trailer to hold up to 1750, this one is fine for the boat, my mistake was on the installed 1 /=1/16 spindles, also the tube was galv but not schedule 40..

Whatever the 'schedule,' the diameter also plays into how strong the axle will be. The one in your pics is way too small IMHO. So before you go to a-weldin' you might want to make sure the axle is big enough to begin with.

Secondly, special care, jigs, and progressive welding are required to successfully weld stub axles (spindles). If you don't have access to the tools, you might want to hire out the welding to a competent shop to make sure it ain't more good money after bad.... tire wear can wind up costing more than an hours labor by a good welder.
 

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You seem to believe its the spindles that are bending...they are not. Its the size tube you are using. Why don't you find the correct axle with the spindles already welded on or get the specs for the correct tubung to use. I think you are going to find that you should be using square tubing too.
 

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I think your boat is way to heavy for this trailer I would honestly do some research before you end up having a accident
 

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schedule 40 is pipe not tube..... tube is sold with measured dimensions for o.d. and wall thickness.... pipe is not the proper material.... I think your boat weighs more the 1750 lbs..... It is indeed just a few dollars you lose in learning unless of course the axle snaps and a tire comes off causing an accident that kills someone

My friend. I dont believe that the axle will snap in any way, believe me that I always think in "Safety First"
 

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Guys
Take a look to the axle the boat came in when I bought it

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now here is the new one
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I understand that you think the tube is plenty thick but material plays a big roll also. Pipe is made for fluid flow, not to take structural weight so to say. Not saying it can't work in a situation but I think that is your weak point, not the spindels. You can buy a nice 3500 to 6000 lbs axle with 2x3 tubing made to fit with the bearings and hubs already installed for under 150 bucks. To me that is worth it right there. I know tires aren't getting any cheaper so putting in the right set-up would save you right there. Plus it gives you the piece of mind that it is good and you don't have to worry about it anymore. It looks like you have some time involved already and time is worth money.

Also when axles are built with a material where the tube is meant to flex a little, they generally weld the spindels in with a positive 1.5 degree camber to them. Tell me how you would plan to figure out how much your tube would flex and compensate for that. Even if the tube did not flex at all you are looking at getting the spindels straight at 0 degrees camber and your toe in perfectly straight. Near impossible without the right jig. I align a lot of cars for a living, trust me when I say it doesn't take much to be off to ruin a set of tires. My trailer axle with the boat on sits at a negative .5 degree camber and it wore the insides of the tires right off. That little of camber is not even visible by the naked eye but sure did some damage. Of coarse when its going down the road and hitting bumps you have to realize its flexing even more making the negative camber even worse. I hope this helps you out. I don't mean to bag on you about trying to do it yourself. I like to do things too if I can, but sometimes you have to know when to throw in the towel.
 

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I understand that you think the tube is plenty thick but material plays a big roll also....Not saying it can't work in a situation but I think that is your weak point, not the spindels.....I like to do things too if I can, but sometimes you have to know when to throw in the towel.

Good advice. I think that axle is way too light for the size of the boat, Sched 40 is a spec, not a stamp that says "sufficient."

OP Krakatoa- read what BruceB58 wrote over again. I think that is the sum of it.
 

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My friend. I dont believe that the axle will snap in any way, believe me that I always think in "Safety First"

I never suggested that you thought it would fail..... In fact I believe you really do think you are being safe.... I am not certain what your boat weighs but again I think it is way over what your trailer is rated for... I am certain however tha pipe is the wrong material.... structural steel is stronger and is uniform in wall thickness..... pipe is made differently and thhe inside diameter varies throughout the peice of pipe... also if you are welding this galvanized pipe without removing all the zinc from the weld area you are creating a weak weld AND A TOXIC YELLOW SMOKE that is VERY bad for you to breath...

If the boat turns out to weigh what I think it does then this project of yours is never going to net you a truly safe rig.....although with a proper axle it would at least be much safer than this pipe contraption..... I'm not trying to beat you down but only trying to help
 

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I never suggested that you thought it would fail..... In fact I believe you really do think you are being safe.... I am not certain what your boat weighs but again I think it is way over what your trailer is rated for... I am certain however tha pipe is the wrong material.... structural steel is stronger and is uniform in wall thickness..... pipe is made differently and thhe inside diameter varies throughout the peice of pipe... also if you are welding this galvanized pipe without removing all the zinc from the weld area you are creating a weak weld AND A TOXIC YELLOW SMOKE that is VERY bad for you to breath...

If the boat turns out to weigh what I think it does then this project of yours is never going to net you a truly safe rig.....although with a proper axle it would at least be much safer than this pipe contraption..... I'm not trying to beat you down but only trying to help

Please dont "misunderstood" my words, I know you`re trying to help and thanks for your advice, actually I will go with a square tube 2x2x1/4, thats the way to go.

Thanks to all of you guys!! BIG HELP!!!:):):)
 

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Ayuh,... I totally agree with the Nay-sayers...
Galvanized pipe is still just black iron,+ coated...
Sch. #80 might work,... Sch. #40 is just standard water pipping...
But,..
Trailer axles are Steel Tubing....
 

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Re: Tire wear inside BADLY!!!!! More pics updated RESOLVED!!!

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Well guys, finally I changed the axle and the problem resolved, take a look to the job with an before and after pics too!!! I changed the schedule 40 tube for a 2 x 2 x 1/4 square tube.

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Double Check no bow:rolleyes:
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Thank you guys for all the tips and comments!!!:):)
 

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Good news and interesting pix...glad you got it resolved. When I looked at your pix in this thread, especially the trailer unloaded, what struck me is the lack of lateral (front to rear) structure in the trailer. But if it works, it works.
 

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Yeap, its fine now :)
 
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