To Build a Boat (any boat)

Wimperdink

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I gotta believe that many of the boats in the 12 + foot range would hold your forty no problem as long as you beefed up the transom to hold it. You could be boating for a lot less than what it would cost to build that sport.
 

djzyla1980

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The jon boat states 5-6 hp at 12 ft...hmmmm wonder what a 40 would do...lol<br /><br />The Sea Skiff doesn't state but it's a very versitle boat at 13'9"...<br /><br /><br />I think I'm going to look at the sea king plans again and see if I can change them around a bit to fit my needs... I also think there is alot to that boat that in my use I don't need.... besides I'm in the middle of nowhere with no ocean rough waters... It's a bit beefy for my needs..
 

Wimperdink

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stay small :D if it'll handle the wieght of your motor who cares how overpowered it is. I'd rather too much power than not enough cept it kinda rules out letting anyone else taking it for a spin. :D
 

CalicoKid

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Polyester gets chalky from sunlight. It breaks down and oxidizes without UV protection. You've all seen plenty of faded gel coat around. That's polyester. I would expect epoxy to do about the same. I don't think glass weave is affected at all by UV but Kevlar weave will turn a nice golden brown over time. Auto and boat wax has some UV protection in it but that's not suitable for a floor really. A high quality spar varnish has good UV protection but it does not last forever so it would need periodic maintenance (sanding and topcoating). Paint would give great UV protection as it is opaque. It also requires maintenance from time to time and it also hides your nice woodgrain beneath. <br /><br /> I read somewhere a few months ago that 'clear paint' is an excellent protectant. This would be the clear oil base paint before any tints are added at the store. Yes you can buy untinted oil base paint, each paint company has a code number for their untinted base paints. Some are bases are for pastels and light colors, these are white and opaque before tinting as the tint alone is not enough to cover an underlying color. The darker heavier colors start out as a clear base.<br /><br />I'll try and find the article later but in essence a guy painted a few doors with various varnishes and the clear base paint and the paint held up the best to weather and sunlight.<br /><br />As for grit, I personally wouldn't want it on my boat floor, I think it would be kind of harsh. I'd rather try and create a subtle texture in the resin with a roller or the like and then prime and paint over that, but that's just me :D <br /><br />Saturday is looking good for the DUG!!!
 

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Here is the text, still looking for the original article in context:<br /><br />
As a preface, allow me to set the stage. Almost daily there is a posting about clear, exterior finishes for doors, chairs, signs and such. Responses run the gamut from diehard marine finishes to apply a coat of primer and then paint. Each of these has a bit of a problem. Marine finishes are not always the easiest to find and it grieves me to think of a lovely oak, teak, mahogany, fir, redwood or similar nice wood door painted in mauve goop. <br /><br />Bob from Fl inspired me with his continuing and accurate statements about the failings of a clear coat and the advantages of a good quality exterior paint. I decided after lots of reflection that he really was right but there was always the picture of mauve in my mind. Sooooooooo, how could one take advantage of his advice and yet capitalize on the beauty of a nice wood. <br /><br />I began to reflect on the characteristics of paint. Now, comes the boredom. <br /><br />There were several things I knew about paint. Exterior paints contain a mildewcide and a fungicide that a varnish does not. The best quality paints will contain a UV protectorant and trans-oxide pigments in very high percentages. Almost all paint is custom mixed by the store. The retailer maintains a large supply of base products that are used to achieve the desired color. There are generally 4 base products and the specific one for your paint is determined by your color choice. These base products are either named or numbered. They are named pastel, deep, tint and neutral. If numbered it is cleverly 1, 2, 3 and 4 with the exception of Olympic who numbers 1, 2, 3 and 5. Olympic is unaware that 4 comes before 5. Pastel and/or 1 is virtually a pure white and used for the lightest of colors. The others are slightly color altered from white and more translucent than pastel. These are used for succeedingly deeper colors. All of this comes to neutral, 4 and/or 5. These are clear and used for the darkest colors. In the can they are somewhat opaque but dry more or less clear. <br /><br />Now comes the testing. I bought 4 oak exterior doors. Each door was given one coat of the same MinWax Stain. On 3 of the doors, I applied 2 coats of "paint" to the 6 sides of each door (3 coats on the top and bottom edges). Each of these three doors had a different type of exterior neutral, 4 or 5 base. The fourth door was finished with a common spar varnish from my local friendly paint/hardware store. The bases for the 3 painted doors were an exterior semi-gloss acrylic, an exterior semi-gloss oilbased polyurethane floor paint and a semi-gloss oilbased trim and siding paint. <br /><br />The doors were set up, slightly inclined, in mostly direct sunlight under a pecan tree in the backyard. My wife just loved that one. Daily, the sprinklers managed to hit the doors. The birds in the pecan tree used the doors for target practice. And, yes Steve, the dogs did anoint the doors on a regular basis. My blonde Cocker, Zazu, was particularly enamored with thedoors. Over the course of the test the doors experienced lots of Texas sunlight, rain and snow. The temperature went from below freezing to over 100. The advantage to the inclined position of the doors was the snow, ice, water from the sprinklers and the rain tended to collect in the raised panel areas. I feel these doors were subjected to far more severe environmental conditions than would be expected from normal use. <br /><br />The results were interesting. The spar varnish looked fabulous but after about 2 weeks it began to develop small cracks. In rapid order the door began to turn black, started to mold and the smell was enough to knock a buzzard off of a manure wagon. The waterbased acrylic is milky in the can like a waterbased poly. It dried to a more or less water clear surface but was a bit cloudy. It tended to wash out the stain a bit. Over time it became cloudier and ultimately become almost white. But, it remained solid and protected the wood. The oilbased bases are also a bit opaque in the can but dried to a clear finish that is almost identical to a spar varnish - they added an amber tone to the doors. Both the poly floor paint and the trim and siding paint remained "clear" over the entire test period. <br /><br />The testing came to an end with a bit of encouragement. My wife said something clever like, "Get those damned doors out of the backyard?". She does not understand science. The floor poly had some minor checking and a thinned coat of the same base over the surface made that disappear. The door with the oilbased trim and siding paint was perfect other than it had <br />lost a bit of the gloss. <br /><br />So, I am with Bob - paint the door. My preference is the oilbased products. If you are predisposed to a waterbased use an acrylic rather than latex. <br /><br />One thing you will find when you go out shopping for your product is a lack of knowledge on the part of the salesperson. Not many of these folk are aware that their neutral or 4 base will dry clear. If you want to have some fun, spring it on them. They will suggest you are full of Donkey Dust. Ask them to shake a can and put some on a stir stick. Dry it and voila, it is clear.
 

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CK I vote you launch in Lake Geneva on the 8th of Nov. :D I'll be up that way on work and to pick up an outboard<br /><br />Dave JZ check out the mustang... 10 to 14' and it calls for a 12hp. so it should take a 40 hp. :D
 

CalicoKid

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Yeah Wimper, if I try to haul the dug for two hours tied to the roof of my Jeep on the freeway I think by the time I got there all that would be left is a bunch of splinters loosely held together with drywall tape and rope :D I think I'll just launch it down the block instead. :) <br /><br />Outboard?? Whatdcha get?? whatdcha get?!?!?
 

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I saw a commercial for a ADD drug but cant remember what its called. :D Anyway, the template yak is fixn to get s**t canned. I am going to come up with my own plans I think.The yak is going to be too heavy and to much like my canoe.Im thinking maybe some sort of sit on top type of contraption type kyak.Who knows though,I might find a pallet and just stick a motor on it. I have some ideas which I refuse to discuss untill A: I have a pretty good idea that they will work,or B: I can present them in a manner that everyone here doesnt laugh me off of Iboats. :D
 

CalicoKid

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Nooooo! THAT doesn't sound like ADD!! :D <br /><br />You're on to the next boat almost before you started the last! LOL! Whatever are you going to do with the garage full of templates?<br /><br />I for one can't wait to hear some of your ideas CPJ :D Don't worry, I won't laugh... (hee hee!) :D
 

cpj

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Yeah CK, And wont laugh when the BD goes down like a BD. :D
 

CalicoKid

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lol. You know I'm going to ride her all the way to the bottom! :D <br /><br />Come on CPJ, give us a hint!
 

Wimperdink

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cpj trust me they wont laugh at you, they will just keep their distance from you in hopes that what ever you have that made you build what you did, isnt communicable. :D <br /><br />Calico I'll tell ya later on what motor... I made a risky purchase and am still hoping it will go through. If it doesnt ya willing to drive a few hours to break some legs for me? :D
 

trackersocha

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i havent finished mine and aleready im starting to piece toghter the next one!!!
 

Wimperdink

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ok n/m he went through with it so far.... its that chrysler I mentioned in the above post... nice looking motor... go to my chatroom and i'll show ya.
 

Wimperdink

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cpj gonna try what we talked about the other day?
 

cpj

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hell dink i dont remember what we talked aout the other day!
 

Paul Moir

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I'm no expert but the Chrysler "250" 9.9s were ment for sailboats and come with a high thrust propeller, large reduction gear and I think the were all longshaft or extra-long-shaft (20" or 25" transom mount) outboards. This would make it wholly unsuitable for your project.<br />But maybe it's just a regular 9.9 with a 250 hood on it. Get a model number or measure it by hand.<br />Most parts are still available, including (seemingly all) tune up parts, although some seem a little pricey.
 
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