Transfer Case Leak Suddenly Much Worse After Service

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Well, really that sounds about normal, I am not surprised that is the diagnosis.
 

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Well, really that sounds about normal, I am not surprised that is the diagnosis.

Yeah, I'm not either. Definitely sounds reasonable. It's just kinda bugging me that another dealership told me it was leaking where the halves meet. Guess it could be doing both.
 

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Yeah, I'm not either. Definitely sounds reasonable. It's just kinda bugging me that another dealership told me it was leaking where the halves meet. Guess it could be doing both.

I had to replace the seals in one of my T-cases a while back and it was leaking in both areas.
 

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I had to replace the seals in one of my T-cases a while back and it was leaking in both areas.

I asked "Are we positive there are no other leaks and this will completely resolve the issue?" He was adamant that that was the case, so I told them to take care of it.
 

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If one seals gone more are to follow, get him to do all the seals (output/input) on the transfer case while its on the bench.

(Cheaper now than later)
 

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If one seals gone more are to follow, get him to do all the seals (output/input) on the transfer case while its on the bench.

(Cheaper now than later)

This one is done with the T case still on the truck.
 

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My first thought was the tech saw the leak and trying to save you a buck figured a quick half a turn here, a snug there outta stop that little leak in a jiffy. I've seen that extra turn create bigger leaks before.
 

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These young mechanics now a days, don't seem to understand why there is torque specifications, often times over tightening will do far more damage than under tightening. I know as I was coming up on the end of my military career, I used to get calls all the time about younger people not wanting to follow the specifications in the "Book"

Even if you under tighten a bit, the gasket has someplace to swell into, if you over tighten, there is no place for that gasket to go, except out! When the gasket goes out, then you have created a hole.
 

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These young mechanics now a days, don't seem to understand why there is torque specifications, often times over tightening will do far more damage than under tightening. I know as I was coming up on the end of my military career, I used to get calls all the time about younger people not wanting to follow the specifications in the "Book"

Even if you under tighten a bit, the gasket has someplace to swell into, if you over tighten, there is no place for that gasket to go, except out! When the gasket goes out, then you have created a hole.
Totally agree. I wonder how many people actually replace crush washers every time they change oil on cars like Hondas and then actually tighten the oil drain plug with a torque wrench.

Just pulled the transmission pan on my Silverado. Spec on the pan bolts is 97 in lbs. Many people over tighten those and get leaks.
 

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The fun continues. As I mentioned before I asked him explicitly if they were confident it wasn't also leaking on the back side. Well, guess who called me this morning?:facepalm: I told them to go ahead and take care of that seal too, but I think this will be it for North Point Ford. I just don't have confidence in their shop. Hopefully they won't screw this up, and now I'm wondering; should I just pay the bill and move on or ask the service manager what he has to say about it? $300 is one thing, but now we're to $650. I just spent $1200 there less than a month ago. What do y'all think? I'm honestly not sure what if anything I should do.
 

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I'm honestly not sure what if anything I should do.

I mean this in all seriousness, if you are going to own an older vehicle - learn to operate a wrench or trade it in on a new one. Paying thousands of dollars in labor a year for simple fixes doesn't make any sense.
 

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Paying thousands of dollars in labor a year for simple fixes doesn't make any sense.
Still cheaper than paying $500/month or more on a car payment. It is almost always cheaper fixing what you have. May want to go to an independent shop though.
 

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For a 7+- year old truck, I would not excpect the seals to be leaking yet, but it happens.
If you 4x4 alot or stop and go traffic, you can certainly excpect the brakes to go, the 4x4 hubs will need to be serviced, starter and alternator will go soon, front end wear Ball joints/tigh rods.
But it happens over time, the wear parts wear.
 

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I mean this in all seriousness, if you are going to own an older vehicle - learn to operate a wrench or trade it in on a new one. Paying thousands of dollars in labor a year for simple fixes doesn't make any sense.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I understand what you're saying, but that's just not realistic for everyone, myself included. I'm not going to go into why because that's not what this thread is about. All I will say is I've had the truck for four years and I owe nothing on it. If I pay for this service I'll be up to $2500 total in repairs. Is that thousands of dollars? Sure, but not thousands of dollars a year. Averaged out it's $625 a year, $1200 of which was in one whack for the big maintenance package, and the mileage is still five figures. Everything in life's a gamble, but i'd say these odds actually make quite a bit of sense. Now, back to the question I actually asked..............
 

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It all comes down to Investment Vs. Return, When I buy a rig, especially a used one, I always weigh what I will have to invest, vs what I would receive if I had to sell it right away, vs, what I would spend if I purchased a new one.

I did this with an Explorer that I purchased back in Sept that needed a new engine, but everything else was almost perfect on the rig, by time it was all said and done, I had a little less that $3K invested in a rig, that currently sells for over $6K, so I made money on this deal and I have no car payment on it.

As far as sticking with the current shop, you have to remember, often times, things do not reveal themselves until some other service has been done, seals are notorious for this happening, when ever I choose to replace seals now a days, I do them all, that way I know that the increased pressures don't blow the older seal, to me it just never makes sense to replace a front seal and not do the back seal, that way they are both new and they can handle the increased pressures equally.

We all know that liquid is always going to find the weakest point in a system. It never pays to half fix a transfer case or transmission, if your going to do it, then do it all. Trying to save money often times ends up costing you money.
 

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In a matter of weeks I've gone from a quarter sized stain every month or so to blown input and output shaft seals resulting in a big leak immediately following transmission service. When I think of it that way it becomes clear I need to have a conversation with the service manager.
 

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You might do some searching about what is going on with your vehicle, I have read several websites devoted to what often happens when you start doing the service on some of these Ford transmissions/transfer cases, from what I have read, your experience is really not unusual, unfortunately.

I know on my Explorer, I don't even have a dip stick to check the fluid level on my transmission, which I don't understand, I don't know if that is the same on your rig.
 

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In a matter of weeks I've gone from a quarter sized stain every month or so to blown input and output shaft seals resulting in a big leak immediately following transmission service. When I think of it that way it becomes clear I need to have a conversation with the service manager.

Unfortunately that is normal. Same reason that transmission failures are common right after a fluid service. The seals are not blown, just worn and full of crud. The new fluid cleans up the crud and also flows easier past the seals.

I'd agree with Bruce though if you continue down the road - find a trusted local mechanic so that you are not paying top dollar for service. Also be aware that with a Ford truck being that age/miles, you will be replacing the front unit bearings soon. $100 or so per side and another $150-$200 a piece to install.
 

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Thanks for the additional insight, guys. Always appreciated.
 

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Also, join a Ford truck forum or two and research your problem. All vehicles have their particular issues no matter how reliable. I am on a Lexus forum that has helped immensely for me as my car has gotten up in miles.
 
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