Ultimate boating sticky needed

[salmonee]

Been doing more research today on boating. I searched "run on" and "diesel" because of a suggestion in another thread. I was perplexed by the info that I found today. How does a new boater suppose to understand that your suppose to let your boat idle a minute or two before turning the motor off? Else water will fill your motor! I read the sticky at the top and some stuff at boatus.org on safety. None of which went over the "diesel" topic. I think we need an ultimate sticky about the dos/dont of boating. What other important thing do I need to know to survive my first boating season?

 

[woosterken]

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first and formost DON'T FORGET THE PLUG

woosterken

 

[JB]

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A learning curve is not vertical. Know that you don't know and pay attention.

 

[salmonee]

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A learning curve is not vertical. Know that you don't know and pay attention.

I'm just looking for the elementary stuff right off.

 

[SuzukiChopper]

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An 'ultimate boating' sticky would be close to impossible to create.

Every boat is different, every motor has different habits, even boats of the same model year and make, rigged differently, may have different habits.

'Supposed' to let it idle for a minute or two I don't think is so much as a HAVE TO DO IT but more of a recommendation to avoid the possibility. I never do and have never had a problem. It'd be like washing your car. If someone tells me I'm 'supposed' to wash my car every week during the winter because of salt so it doesn't rust, if I didn't KNOW *MY* car I'd be wasting money. I own a Saturn SC1 and the body can't rust.

The elementary stuff you're looking for is pretty much... don't forget the plug, load and unload your gear away from the ramp, don't take too much time on the ramp, know how to properly start and operate YOUR motor, and last but not least... be safe (proper safety gear)... go out and have fun.

Anything you don't know, well be glad you're a member of this forum and can ask ANY question you want about your boat and concerns and someone will be able to answer. I'd say this forum is the ultimate boating sticky in itself

 

[pine island fred]

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Dont go where the birds are standing. FRED

 

[eeboater]

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...your suppose to let your boat idle a minute or two before turning the motor off? Else water will fill your motor!...

Sorry, I'm not trying to hijack, but what does this mean?

 

[salmonee]

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The elementary stuff you're looking for is pretty much... don't forget the plug, load and unload your gear away from the ramp, don't take too much time on the ramp, know how to properly start and operate YOUR motor, and last but not least... be safe (proper safety gear)... go out and have fun.

This brings up a question. Is there an alternative method of "manually" cranking the motor on? When would you use such a method? I believe you could do this with outboards when you have say no electrical power.

 

[salmonee]

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Sorry, I'm not trying to hijack, but what does this mean?

Exactly as I said it. Search dieseling.

 

[superpop]

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No, most motors that you would be looking at would be too big to hand yank.

 

[SuzukiChopper]

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This brings up a question. Is there an alternative method of "manually" cranking the motor on? When would you use such a method? I believe you could do this with outboards when you have say no electrical power.

You certainly could manually start an OB yup. Most flywheels I have seen accept a temporary pull start rope of some sort. I'd probably pull my shoulder out of my socket trying to pull start my 100hp motor. A 50hp motor wouldn't probably even be worth it. There's a reason why a person should keep oars on board

I boat on small lakes where there's always someone around or the shore isn't too far from where I am but one thing that should be said is that anyone wanting to boat needs to know their surroundings and if need be know that you may need to spend a little extra on some assurance you'll be safe. Again this re-enforces my thought that it's almost impossible to have an 'ultimate boating' sticky because what I do and how I boat on my local lakes is going to be completely different then what someone does in a bay or on the ocean. If you generalize to the worst case (50 miles from the coast in 50' swells), you'll end up scaring the carp out of the local lake boaters and that generalization won't be accurate. You could end up REALLY generalizing statements and 'guide-lines', but that information should already be available from your local authorities, agencies, dealers and local boaters.

Like JB has already said, know that you don't know everything and anything that concerns you... ask about it. Whether it's here on iboats, the coast guard, a local boater, a boat place, local authorities, etc. Unfortunately I don't think anyone here can totally encompass everything you need to know as a new boater because everyone has a different situation to deal with.

 

[H8tank]

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I've boated for 27 years and never once worried about this thread topic.

 

[QC]

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Sure you could push start an I/O powered boat, maybe better if you pull it . . . . but hang on here I think I have a plan. Find another boat with at least twice the power of yours. It will help if the other boat's operator is kind of an idiot. Hook up a really strong tow rope. Make sure the stalled boat's drive is tilted up and in gear; I'm thinking forward would be best. Then get the combo going as fast as possible, and then quickly tilt the drive down and just make sure the key is on . . . At least it would be exciting

"Kids, pease do not try this at home, I am a professional" - Clark W. Griswold

 

[Don S]

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I know what you are looking for,
But it doesn't exist.

IF it did, here is what it would look like:

 

[tashasdaddy]

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i think what you need is an owners manual and service manual for what ever you end up buying. there are too many brands, types jet, prop, inboard, outboard, inboard/outboard, straight drives, velvet drives, etc.

 

[a70eliminator]

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The question was how does the new guy know to idle before shutting down to prevent dieseling.
Engine's in good tune don't diesel (run on) or predetonate, letting it idle for a few minutes doesn't fix the problem, timing advance a hair too much maybe? Fuel to air ratio adjustment needed? If the engine is in bad state of tune causing a run on condition then shutting it down while still in gear would be more effective than letting it idle for a few moments, however, if you just blasted across the lake at WOT (wideopenthrottle) and abruptly shut down your motor immediatly after forward momentum stopped then that would be a bad move engine in tune or not. Contadictory to that, thats how we checked air fuel ratio (spark plugs) in our race engines before we had the instruments of today.

 

[QC]

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if you just blasted across the lake at WOT (wideopenthrottle) and abruptly shut down your motor immediatly after forward momentum stopped then that would be a bad move engine in tune or not.

I always thought so too, but have you ever watched NASCAR qualifying? I was just thinking about this again yesterday when I was watching. That's exactly what they do, even worse. And yes, they run the same engine in the race now. They take a warm up lap, then give it everything they've got, and when they cross the finish line you can hear it . . . Puuuuuuuhhhhh, they must hit the ignition switch off, and then they coast around the track and back to the pits. Weird . . . Sorry for the hijack slamonee, but that has always bugged me.

Oh, and the EFI engines never diesel as far as I have seen. And unless they turn over backwards, how does dieseling cause them to injest water if they are set up right to begin with? Cam and riser height . . . Yes, I know they can run backwards.

 

[sickwilly]

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The question was how does the new guy know to idle before shutting down to prevent dieseling.
Engine's in good tune don't diesel (run on) or predetonate, letting it idle for a few minutes doesn't fix the problem, timing advance a hair too much maybe?

Yes they do. Brand spanking new merc engines did this, and thus merc produced an announcement about it and when you have done everything on the list the last thing to do when it still diesels is to let it idle for a minute before shutting down.

I have gotten mine to do this a lot less by doing pretty much everything on the list, using 93 octane, and it still does it occasionally.

I wish I could find a local Don, Bondo, Cheif, Jason, etc who know exactly how to dial in my carb, timing, idle, because I have gone as far as my limited knowledge will bring me and am not getting any better performance from the local marine shops.

 

[a70eliminator]

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I always thought so too, but have you ever watched NASCAR qualifying? I was just thinking about this again yesterday when I was watching. That's exactly what they do, even worse. And yes, they run the same engine in the race now. They take a warm up lap, then give it everything they've got, and when they cross the finish line you can hear it . . . Puuuuuuuhhhhh, they must hit the ignition switch off, and then they coast around the track and back to the pits. Weird . . . Sorry for the hijack slamonee, but that has always bugged me.

Oh, and the EFI engines never diesel as far as I have seen. And unless they turn over backwards, how does dieseling cause them to injest water if they are set up right to begin with? Cam and riser height . . . Yes, I know they can run backwards.

I'm sure they're analyzing the burn, and the immediate shut down preserves the clues.

 

[a70eliminator]

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Yes they do. Brand spanking new merc engines did this, and thus merc produced an announcement about it and when you have done everything on the list the last thing to do when it still diesels is to let it idle for a minute before shutting down.

I have gotten mine to do this a lot less by doing pretty much everything on the list, using 93 octane, and it still does it occasionally.

I wish I could find a local Don, Bondo, Cheif, Jason, etc who know exactly how to dial in my carb, timing, idle, because I have gone as far as my limited knowledge will bring me and am not getting any better performance from the local marine shops.

Very interesting, I guess there are exceptions. Is this a peticular engine they have a problem with?