Uniform rant

[oddjob]

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A spell check before you send it too.

LOL!

 

[MikDee]

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I think Snapping Turtle is Right on with his A, B, C, D, Pix. This is what I was referring to about kids today getting away with wearing. A lot different then when I went to school. IMO School should be a place of order, respect, & education, If parents won't demand a certain propper dress code for their kids, than the school should. Nowadays, our schools are losing respect by the kids as it is, I think uniforms will bring that back in place. Without them, you can bet there's kids out there that dress down between home, & school, and their parents don't even know about it.

 

[Carphunter]

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Maybe I went to a much different public school than some of you, but we didn't have to wear uniforms, yet there was a strict dress code. You couldn't go around wearing shorts that were above the knees, or shirts without sleeves, or flip-flops, ect. Kids were still allowed to wear what they wanted within the schools dress code, and it seemed to work fine for everyone. All the parents were made aware of the schools policy at the beginning of the year, so everyone was aware.
IMO, as long as a school adopts a dress code policy, and enforces it, I don't see the need for uniforms.​

 

[SnappingTurtle]

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We also had a dress code, much the same as you described. Even our hair as boys was restricted to being no longer than the bottom of our shirt collar and our ears had to show.

Summer school was optional, if you decided to go for extra credits, or to pick up a class that you failed, there was no code of dress, shorts & T-shirts were OK. It was Texas, there was no air conditioning, and it was hot, really really hot in the class rooms.

My mom was a teacher in the school district, and I remember every year there would be some group of parents that would sue because their kids couldn't wear what ever they chose, and those who thought that the dress code as it stood, was immoral, and needed to include their interpretation of their personal religious ideas of chastity in clothing.

My mom always said, she was there to teach, and the students were there to learn. School was not a boxing ring for personal, or private believes, and she was not a there to referee between these two radical groups.

No matter how liberal, or how strict the dress code was, it was never enough for some parents.

There was always one group screaming “bunch of nasty perverts”, and one group screaming “bunch of religious prudes”.

The school district was ever year, confronted with new lawsuits.

Uniforms is an easy answer to the two radical sides, of this age old debate.

If you don't like the rules, “home school”, or “private school” your kids.

 

[avenger79]

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Not to make light of a situation but I hate wearing slacks to work. I'm out of them as soon as I get home, sometimes I wear shorts under the slacks to be comfortable on the way home. BUT if I want my job I have to wear what they want me to wear. If you want your kids to attend that school they will have to wear what is required. It's just a part of life. No different then police uniforms, military, safety shoes etc the place of occupation or learning determines the type of clothing worn.
to sue the school over that would seem like a bit of a frivolous suit to me. there are much bigger battles to take on other than this one. in the long run it will probably be much easier on your family to go the uniform route. as kids get older their fasions get much pricier.
My son is almost out of the public school system so please don't think I would just side with the school. I've had my battles with them but this one to me doesn't seem worth the time or effort.
You will truly have many more, that will make this seem trivial at best.

 

[nbaffaro]

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Lockey32,
I hate so say this, but you are going to have problems out of those kids for years. If you go to bat for them every time they get in trouble for not doing what they are supposed to do then it is going to be a long road. The PTA voted for this and you weren't there. That right there shows me that you weren't very interested in getting to the vote in the first place. I'm sure that if you had attended PTA meetings and school board meetings you would have known exactly when and where the vote was being held. There is another election coming up in November, make sure you get there. I think that you are the one that needs to go back to school. I hear they are offering grammer and typing these days.

 

[SgtMaj]

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Maybe I went to a much different public school than some of you, but we didn't have to wear uniforms, yet there was a strict dress code. You couldn't go around wearing shorts that were above the knees, or shirts without sleeves, or flip-flops, ect. Kids were still allowed to wear what they wanted within the schools dress code, and it seemed to work fine for everyone. All the parents were made aware of the schools policy at the beginning of the year, so everyone was aware.

This was my second thought, but we don't live in a day and age where common sense exists in school administrations.

 

[SgtMaj]

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Lockey32,
I hate so say this, but you are going to have problems out of those kids for years. If you go to bat for them every time they get in trouble for not doing what they are supposed to do then it is going to be a long road. The PTA voted for this and you weren't there. That right there shows me that you weren't very interested in getting to the vote in the first place. I'm sure that if you had attended PTA meetings and school board meetings you would have known exactly when and where the vote was being held. There is another election coming up in November, make sure you get there. I think that you are the one that needs to go back to school. I hear they are offering grammer and typing these days.

Do they also offer spelling? It's grammar, not grammer.

Next time you want to flame someone for their grammar, you might want to check your spelling first.

 

[lockey32]

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Well you got me there nbaffaro . My louisiana schooling has been found out . I WILL go to bat for my children . I have read the school boards rule book and no were dose it say any thing about uniforms, it dose say a lot about a dress code . Am i wrong for not wanting my daughters to look like britney spears? You have your right to your opinion and your beliefs , we all do and thats all i want . The school says the pta had nothing to do with it , the vote happened at back to school night and we where there .The princaple was told by the school board to show us the paper work on the vote . He can't produce anything . If our schools don't have to follow there own rules why do i? Respect is how good teachers taught me . I don't think it's to much to request as much now . Maybe then we won't have kids graduateing who don't know how to spell there own names . But if it causes an A plus student's grades to fall it needs to be questioned . I had teachers asking my wife and me to request them to be my childerns teacher this year . Just so yall know even the parents that are pro uniform want us to have a choice.

 

[salty87]

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Maybe then we won't have kids graduateing who don't know how to spell there own names .

uh huh. different times, i guess. my parents would have rather died on the spot than try to tell the school their business. they supported the school in their efforts to get us kids edumacated.

 

[lowkee]

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If you don't agree with the decision towards uniforms, maybe it is time to home school your children.

I am continually erked to see parents complain about how other people are educating their children. You are dumping your children off at a government institution run on a shoestring budget by whoever will work there for minimal pay.. and you are complaining about clothing?

Seems a bit in line with owning a broken down car and complaining about the paint job.

Lesson is: Having rights doesn't mean relying on someone else to educate your children, then nitpicking the smaller things. Having rights means you have the opportunity to educate your children (yourself) as part of your parental role. Only then do you have the right to nitpik.

 

[mthieme]

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If you don't agree with the decision towards uniforms, maybe it is time to home school your children.

I am continually erked to see parents complain about how other people are educating their children. You are dumping your children off at a government institution run on a shoestring budget by whoever will work there for minimal pay.. and you are complaining about clothing?

Seems a bit in line with owning a broken down car and complaining about the paint job.

Lesson is: Having rights doesn't mean relying on someone else to educate your children, then nitpicking the smaller things. Having rights means you have the opportunity to educate your children (yourself) as part of your parental role. Only then do you have the right to nitpik.

Wow, surprised to see one resurface.
You need to change your handle.
You never complain about government?
The 'shoestring budget' in my County is 55% of their spending. This does not include whatever comes from State, Federal and private sources.

Lessen is: If you were to throw $50,000 down in front of 100 people one at a time, at least one is going to complain about having to bend over to pick it up.

 

[18footcheetah]

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I am continually erked to see parents complain about how other people are educating their children. You are dumping your children off at a government institution run on a shoestring budget by whoever will work there for minimal pay.. and you are complaining about clothing?

It's only a shoestring budget because the schools and or board makes it that way.

I'm 16 in some of your eyes I'm just a know it all teen but I am smart enough to realize that when everyone at my school is complaining about some new rules that passed, they were passed for us.

A few of those rules, now when a cell phone is confiscated it is held for a week or you have to pay 20 bucks to get it back, this alone generates over 2000 dollars a month at my school. For the first time ever you have to buy a twenty dollar parking sticker to park if you drive to school like I do.

They did this to generate money for us the students i'm cool with it.



The idea of a uniform is a kind of 50/50 struggle in my mind, in one way I can see it being good that everyone is wearing the same thing but the down side of that is the kids who think they are better and there pile of manure doesn't stink will still be that way.

I have been picked on sense the third grade because of my weight I used to let people walk all over me once three kids held me down and beat me I never tried to fight. Words stung me like a hornet I used to cry all the time because of things people said.

In the seventh grade I finaly had enough and when kids started hitting me I hit back that solved that problem soon as they figured out that I fought back and was a pretty good fighter they quit. Then I learned how to ignore the insults that stopped that too, now because of all that I'm a stronger better individual I stick up for my self and my friends.

 

[lowkee]

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Unsure as to the current politics policy ATM, so I'll keep this as.. didn't notice the last post date. Sorry to bump it back to light. Serves me right for going to page 4 in search.

 

[Hanr3]

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No UNIFORMS in schools.
Kids are individuals, uniforms makes them all the same. We dont need a generation of conformists. America has grown to individual ideas.

The school is there to teach, not discipline. Sounds like you should file a suit or relocate.

 

[redeye1962]

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I have noticed that the way kids dress today look the same anyway. What is wrong with saving some money from keeping up with the Jones?

 

[mthieme]

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Save money ?????
Not with uniforms.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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The school is there to teach, not discipline.

If the parents don't teach their children how to behave in school, then who's job is it? Then how is the teacher to teach when you got a bunch of kids talking, distracting, and have no discipline or the respect for the teacher and most of all,,,,,the other students that want to learn?

 

[mthieme]

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It's a different world today.
When we were young, if you needed it, you got whacked.
When you went home and told your parents, you got whacked again.
Of course i t doesn't work that way now.

I honestly don't think a uniform is going to change any kid's demeanor.
I don't remember clothes ever being a hot topic between the kids when I was in school. 'Designer' clothes just didn't exist.
I had uniforms in elementary school. I still remember my mother complaining that she had to drive 40+ miles and pay $60 for a (uniform) jacket...back in the late '60's.

 

[projecthog]

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I find it hard to understant that this a "all of a sudden" new rule. As a parent you are responsible to keep up with these rules and changes.

Uniforms are cheaper than regular clothes.

No worry on what is in fashion...... stops the competition of who has better clothes and places students on one level.

I am amazed that there are 7 cops there at all times. Where is this school? The uniform regulation sounds as if it is being used to make it safer for the students.

Stop being so resistant to the rules. Yes as a parent you have rights in your home however once a student crosses the school doorway..... the students must go by the institutional rules. If a stranger was to walk into your house and light up a cigarette or start drinking alcohol out of a bottle..... you might say as a responsible parent...... Please not in my home.... not infront of my children..... those are our house rules.

The sky is not falling......... embrace the quality of the education the children will obtain......

I can agree with most of what you offer up, although with some reluctance.

That example of the stranger coming in to have a smoke and a drink, is not parallel to the issue of new rules for the school being excersised at all, as the man would not be requested morally, or by "requirement", to be at or in the house at any time, in fact he would be invading the home, which is contrary to the law.

Using smoking and "drinking from a bottle of alcohol" as an example, also biases the thinking of the average Joe, simply because "smoking" has forcefully been made unacceptable in public or worse, as has the description "drinking from a bottle of alcohol" been relegated to describe a drunken bum.
Good way to get backup for your point though!

It is different in the real situation where kids are required to be in the school, having to be obedient to the new or excisting rules.

When those rules DO change under the auspices of "required schooling" and not everyone was included in the establishing of those rules (Like parents who would have voted "NO"), seemingly, an injustice has taken place against freedom of choice if you will, however rebellious that may sound to you.

I am all for regulation, but not if a reasonable alternate avenue is not available when agreeing isn't an option.
Without that, it infringes again on the individual's right to make a decision
based under our so called rights to freedom of choice, and is nothing less then being forced to follow suit, which some of us, myself included, are very careful with.

And where does all of this lead to?, nowhere but compliance... because it seems that the individual was already left standing by the wayside when decisions were made.

NOT being "resistant" or inquisitive to the rules leaves a perfect opportunity to be led "like lambs to the slaughter".

The accuracy of the facts are the crux here and you can only discuss this to death because of it.

Here's to freedom!
PH.