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[dbkerley]

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I got alot of the wiring done Sunday. I made a ground bar and attached it to the support that runs across the front under the dash to make it easier to land all those grounds and trace faults. I will end up with some electrolysis out of it for sure because I used copper plate for the bar and attached it to steel. Oh well - that will take years and I will have redone it again by then.

The worst part was working out the helm controls for the anchor winch. I have controls on the winch itself. However, I wanted to have them on the helm as well. I bought a DPDT illuminated 20a switch to use and wired it in. It works fine it was just trying to get my head wrapped around the polarity reversal upside down and in 90+ degree heat was tough.

The bow pulpit is now fully mounted and I can assure you there are places in that boat that were never intended for humans. There wasn't even enough room in there for my glasses.

All of the accessories are working now. Next is the motor harness, trim, and gauges. They shouldn't be bad except for the trim conversion because I never really unwired any of the other.

I also meant to mention that removing the steering wheel is a pain because the plastic it is made from is softer than the effort required to remove it.

I know that alot of this seems like run on. However, there may come a point where it might prove valuable to you as other threads have been valuable to me when something went wrong.

 

[dbkerley]

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i hope to get up some final pics on monday. We are still on the road from the dfourth and my phone won't upload to photobucket. Everything is in except the dash pad and looked good when we left. I hope it still looks that way when I get back. River otters are funny to watch. Just don't get up on their nest or food.

 

[dbkerley]

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New pics are up and I hope to be giving her a break for a while and just enjoying the boat.

http://s763.photobucket.com/albums/xx271/dbkerley/Projects/

BTW - Anybody have any ideas why she is sooooo cold natured? She is very hard to start when cold. Once you let her warm up, the rest of the day she will start if you look at the switch too hard.

 

[dbkerley]

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I found a 19 yesterday sitting behind the salvation army building as a donation and believe me this is a donation boat. I have made several calls now and can't get them to call me back yet. I figured if I got it cheap, I would pull a few things and offer it up as a come and get it boat with the final person being required to cut it up and get rid of the hull.

The boat is relatively complete. However, it has been stored bow down and the hull is delaminating. I was going to pull the top, the 165 and the drive then open it up to anyone else if they ever call me back.

 

[ziggy]

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gee db. yer nineteen sure is looking great. love that dash work ya did. it looks great. i like your kill switch too. i been thinking about doing me up one. to many folks getting ejected imho and being ejected worries me... me, i've hardly done anything to mine this year. R&Red the oil pan is about it. just been trying to get out and use it up... mine's filthy right now. drove off to the lake in rain yesterday and the road mist sure did an number on my boat. it's filthy now... but i got a week to clean it up i guess...

hope someone calls ya about that free boat. a spare 165 and hardtop would be worth grabbing onto it i'd think too...

 

[dbkerley]

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I finally talked to the girl late yesterday and she said the donor had never completed the paperwork and the boat was basically abandoned on her lot. She told me who the donor was and I knew them so I called and he said someone had contacted him Sunday regarding the boat and so now he was going to sell it to them instead of donating it. He said the guy was going to give him $900 for it.

This guy must be off his rocker or something. It is a nearly complete parts boat with a trash hull. The trouble with hull disposal equals the drive value and if he thought it was worth anything it wouldn't have been over there in the first place. He is a marine dealer and therefore knows what he is doing regarding repowers and drives. It wouldn't have been over there if it worked.

I may swing by there this afternoon and see if I can get the buyers name and number to put him in touch with us or see what he wanted to get out of it before he tosses the rest.

 

[dbkerley]

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I ordered an electronic ignition conversion kit from Pertronix due to some information I read in another thread on the 165. It should allow me to lower the idle to around 500 and make the throttle more responsive than the points.

If that doesn't help with the cold start, I'll look at some type of electric choke. It just runs too good to be anything big.

 

[ziggy]

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i idle @ 500-600 + i have smooth throttle response.

everything is oem on mine. points ign. and choke. imho. something else is up and electronic ign. will only be a mask (if that) if there is something up, which there must be. the problem may not go away...

imho. do a compression test so ya know what ya got. then do a full tune up possibly to include a carb rebuild.. (i also use oem tune up parts, cap, rotor, cond. fuel filter etc.)(ngk plugs, and who knows wires)(when i rebuilt my carb. i used an oem carb kit)

guess i just feel that the technology we have was satisfactory back then. and it still can be today. ya just gotta do regular tuneup pm on them...
that's my 2 cent...fwiw....

i'll be interested to hear your results though. see if my thinking is all wet or not...

hope ya have a great day db...

 

[ziggy]

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fwiw
here's an example of why i use oem parts db...

the left is a mercruiser cap, the right a napa marine cap for my engine.
at the very least there was a notable difference in weight. the oem part being the heavier of the two.
look at the boss's for ea. individual plug. it's much more beefy on the oem cap.
the ring around the carbon button is different too. more rings on the oem cap.
i returned the napa cap after seeing this. the price difference was large, but for such and important item. i want it to work correctly and i felt with the napa cap i was treading on thin ice.

i don't know if all aftermarket parts are this different. but i want my boat to run proper so i spend the extra cash and get the oem. i'm pretty poor too so my decision don't come lightly..

 

[dbkerley]

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The Pertronix unit is pretty slick. Basically, it is an under the cap ICM that is adjusted to suit points type ignitions. I try to get the best parts available when time permits. If I am pushed I'll get one to use until I can order another. I did discover that my coil resistance was too low and had to check 3 parts stores before I found a ballast resistor.

 

[dbkerley]

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I got everything else done today and she fired off dead cold on the first try without pumping the throttle at all. I did have to add some throttle to keep it idling until it warmed up. The other things I did were seafoam in the tank, fresh plugs, and a good dose of carb cleaner.

 

[dbkerley]

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http://s763.photobucket.com/albums/x...rley/Projects/

I posted a pic of the pertronix unit in place and also one of my melted choke conversion. I still am not getting consistency in the way she starts. At this point, I think I will have to be buying a new carb because the choke portion is formed into the carb body and I want my auto choke back.

Ziggy, did you find the pic of the bronze prop I tossed in there for you?

 

[ziggy]

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Ziggy, did you find the pic of the bronze prop I tossed in there for you?

Thanks db. got it... i did have to go back to you july 12th post to get it. the new link didn't work for me. man, that's a sweet prop... i like it... what pitch are ya running @ what wot rpm?
Sounds like your liking your pertronix elec. ign. lots of folks do and i see a lot of them on the board. i'm still keeping my points though. though i do give it 1 or 2 pumps prior to a cold start up. 1 pump for sure to set the auto choke. it depends on how many more time i pump as to the temp. outside. this hot weather and i'm only pumping it one full stroke. then just add a shade of throttle and varoom. i might as well have a fuelie.

so what kinda carb is that ya got there. i don't think it looks like my 2gc that i got on mine. perhaps ya got linkage removed since your running a manual choke? maybe the carb is your problem.. i know mine ran much better after a carb. rebuild..

 

[dbkerley]

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According to the chart, it should be this one.

http://www.iboats.com/mall/partfind...gd_poid=355705&gd_row=16&**********=275823510

or maybe this one

http://www.iboats.com/mall/partfind...gd_poid=112361&gd_row=16&**********=275823510

I think the latter one is a new one while the other is a reman. I have to pull the doghouse after the rains and get my numbers. I would do a rebuild if it weren't for the meltdown. (BTW- It was like that when I got it)

 

[ziggy]

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yep, both of them would seem to replace my carb. too. the number for mine s 7043183. my engine serial # starts with 416xxxxx. i use s/m #2 for 1974-1977..

i don't know which i'd go with. new is always good but man, they sure are pricey... if it's a real rochester i might be more inclined to go new, if it's a serria copy, i would likely go with a rebuilt rochester 2gc... imho like usual...

yep, bummer about your meltdown... can ya go to a bone yard and find the choke part separately? then maybe rebuild what ya got????

 

[dbkerley]

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That was the bummer. The part is integral to the carb casting and the only way to replace it is to replace the carb. It looks separate on the replacement carbs though.

 

[ziggy]

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The part is integral to the carb casting and the only way to replace it is to replace the carb. It looks separate on the replacement carbs though.

on my 2gc it's separate too. do you think ya may not have a 2gc? if not. that could be some of the problem. the wrong carb?

 

[dbkerley]

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As soon as I can get home in the daylight, I'm going to pull the doghouse and look at the numbers. For some reason, I think it is a Holley.

 

[dbkerley]

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It is a 2GC and I am going to the Mercruiser dealer this afternoon to see if I can get a choke thermostat. I went back to the Mercruiser manual and did some digging. Apparently, the housing is in fact removable. It just doesn't look like it. They made several different versions over the years and mine is the one that has the choke housing tucked in real close and the years have made it appear to be part of the casting. (that would have been a real tricky mold).

BTW - NAPA wanted $700 for the same Sierra Carb they sell on here for $450.

If I can get the choke thermostat and maybe the housing, I will just do a rebuild. (mucho cheaper) They only show one t-stat on here and it is for a Holley. I'd rather be OEM if possible.

Does the hot air nipple sticking out of the side of the choke attach to anything on anybodies 19? None of the manuals show anything attached to the threaded portion. The guts were gone from mine and the nipple itself appears to have been electrocuted or something. (check my photobucket) The pic is named lame choke conversion.

 

[ziggy]

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here's where the tube goes that disappers into the manifold..

here's the tube connected to the carb and goeing off into the manifold..

hope that helps db...

edit, another pic