USCG Searching For Missing Football Players

BWR1953

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that missing engine cover makes you think they had engine trouble, and maybe that;s why they were anchored until near sunset saturday night.

The cover may have come off in the recovery though. I noticed in the video that a line was stretched across the engine.

We may find out eventually, once the survivor tells his story.

-BWR
 

jay_merrill

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Just an update - I read a news article today that said the Coast Guard estimates its cost for the three days that they searched to be 1.6 million dollars. That's the Coast Guard only! Considering that the Air Force had a C130 and a couple of helos participating, and there were other agencies involved, my guess is that the entire SAR effort cost over 2 million dollars.

While I don't mean to be insensitive to the tragedy involved, I wish people would think about things like this, before taking relatively small boats 50 miles out to sea just to catch some fish.
 

Vlad D Impeller

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that missing engine cover makes you think they had engine trouble, and maybe that;s why they were anchored until near sunset saturday night.

The engine cover may have been detached during the recovery, however if engine trouble did occur as speculated, it certainly gives pause to think that there are boaters who would go 50 miles offshore without Radar/ GPS and shortwave communications.:(
 

KurtG

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On another forum, there was a quote attributed to the survivor that they had their anchor stuck and had tied it to the rear cleat to try to gas it out. The transom went under and the boat turtled immediately (in seconds). Not sure if the story is true and I haven't seen any interviews with him yet.
 

jay_merrill

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That could very well be true, especially if Cooper was driving and the other three were standing behind him, mostly to one side.
 

bowman316

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why not leave it on the front cleat, and gas it out in reverse
 

dave11

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Why not just cut the line?
 

Cptkid570

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I think a lot of people learned "what not to do" from this story.
 

bowman316

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I think those kind of boats need more of a keel, so they will be less tippy. Just like how a sail boat has a heavy keel.
 

Mark42

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No bodies yet? I read where in a tragedy like this its good for the families to have some remains to put to rest. I guess its a "closure" thing. Although I never bought into the whole "closure" concept.
 

Cptkid570

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I think I'd want them to find the body... I may cremate it and throw it back in the ocean... but, I think I'd want the body to be found..
 

bowman316

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your brain needs to see them dead for it to really register that they are actually dead
 

jay_merrill

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Closure is very much an issue for the families. As has been discussed before, the USCG typically suspends operations at a point which likelyhood of recovering anyone alive is nil. Other agencies will often continue a search and recovery operation, but such an effort in this case would be likely to be futile, simply because of the amount of area that would have to be covered.

When a person drowns, their lungs, and sometimes their stomachs, fill with water. The body will descend until decomposition causes the formation of gases that bring it back to the surface. This can take anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of weeks, depending on water temperature, body type, food ingested, etc. In cases where water temperature remains extremely cold, the body may never resurface.

In the context of this search, what this means is that the bodies could stay under the surface for quite some time and could be carried a long distance by currents, during that period. Some here may remember a case last year of a mentally disturbed father, who threw his young children off of a bridge in the Mobile, AL area. One of the kids was found days later near the mouth of the Mississippi River, in Louisiana. In that case, just as in the football player tragedy, covering the amount of area necessary to insure body recovery quickly, is a practical impossibility.

All things considered, this is a tough situation for those who knew and loved these young men. It is just human nature to want to lay the bodies to rest, but this may not be in the cards. About the best that can be hoped for, is that someone just happens to find them, as happened with the child that I just mentioned.
 

Benny1963

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small boat no radio no cell phone ? lack of esperience
50 miles out is brave i run out of grand isle in 17ft mckee about 18 miles to rigs
only after weather check radio check and sfaety gear check oh and cell phone ,mine works just fine ,and i usually involve anothr boat and or friends boat ,plus i always let them know when i launch at marina what im doin and what time i will be in ,still its sad the owner of the boat made a very bad mistake may we all learn
 

Cptkid570

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This boating accident got me thinking... is an outboard boat more top heavy than an i/o? If the bulk of the weight of the motor is the powerhead and is up in the air versus an i/o where the motor weight is in the bottom of the hull, I'm wondering if an outboard powered boat is more likely to capsize than an i/o...
 

BWR1953

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Did anyone ever find out exactly what happened? Did the survivor tell the whole story?

-BWR
 

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This is the last thing I read about it... The enquirer has the same basic info... This is so sad... very avoidable...

From the AP

TAMPA, Fla. ? Records from the search for two missing NFL players and two friends paint a bleak picture of what happened after their boat overturned off Tampa, Fla.

According to documents obtained by The Associated Press, lone survivor Nick Schuyler told the Coast Guard one man "freaked out" and took off his life vest Feb. 28, the night the boat capsized.

Later that night, another became unruly and threw punches. He took off his life vest, dove down and never resurfaced. A third thought he saw land and decided to swim.
 

BWR1953

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Any details on how the boat ended up capsizing? Or why they weren't under power on their way back to port?

I'm not surprised that a couple of the guys went bats. Odd things happen with hypothermia.

-BWR
 

Nandy

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A wave got in while they were stuck cuz the anchor would not come free. You can find much if you google it.
 

BWR1953

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A wave got in while they were stuck cuz the anchor would not come free. You can find much if you google it.

I learned long ago not to use my time by repeating efforts that someone else has already made. I thought someone might have links to the full and complete story. Oh, well I guess not.

-BWR
 
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