V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

masongardner

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Hey guys and gals. I looked in the search but didn't find a whole lot of answers to the question I had. My family and I have really gotten into wake boarding. I have 3 kids, 4, 7, and 10 years old. We LOVEEE the water. Wakesurfing is just calling our name, but since we have an I/O that makes it not an option to do with our boat. Guess what that means? UPGRADE!!! So, we are going to sell ours that we have for about half of the money for a new boat and snatch one up this winter or spring. My question is, what is your personal preference on what kind of wakeboarding boat to buy? and what should I really be looking for besides the basic boat things (floor, engine, stringers and such)? Keep in mind we are looking to spend somewhere around 10 grand, so nothing crazy fancy. I see quite a few out there but am not quite sure which direction to be looking for specifics. TIA!!

- Jason
 

oldjeep

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

Either would work fine for wakeboarding, assuming you have either a wedge or some sort of fat sack set up.

What are you finding for $10K? That would be a 1970's stars and stripes around here.
 

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

Nice looking boats.
 

masongardner

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

they would obviously need a good looking over, but i didnt think they sounded half bad. The thing I was worried about was the ride with the kids. I have heard some people say the ride in anything but glass lakes is just horrible.
 

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they would obviously need a good looking over, but i didnt think they sounded half bad. The thing I was worried about was the ride with the kids. I have heard some people say the ride in anything but glass lakes is just horrible.

A competition ski boat has a very low bow and it is easy to take water over the front. It is not really that the ride is so bad, just that the boat is so low.
 

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

A competition ski boat has a very low bow and it is easy to take water over the front. It is not really that the ride is so bad, just that the boat is so low.

That's what I was looking for. Good advice. Any happy medium for these kinds of boats?
 

deejaycee_2000

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

Its better to go for a boat with seats in the front because then you can add more weight under the seats for a bigger wake .... a wedge 2 fat sacs in the back and 3 in the front should do the trick ....
 

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

From what you describe a V-drive would meet your needs better, but it is harder to find them at 10K. Try searching your area for a Nautigue Excel. That and some of the early Maristar's seem to be the older v-drives out there.

205's like the one you posted go quick around here. It is the same basic hull as the early X-star, will still pull a skier really well, and good for barefooting too. It will pound you on a rough lake, though. But if your at wakesurfing speed, who cares?
 

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

great advice and ideas on what to look for.

thanks!!!

From what you describe a V-drive would meet your needs better, but it is harder to find them at 10K. Try searching your area for a Nautigue Excel. That and some of the early Maristar's seem to be the older v-drives out there.

205's like the one you posted go quick around here. It is the same basic hull as the early X-star, will still pull a skier really well, and good for barefooting too. It will pound you on a rough lake, though. But if your at wakesurfing speed, who cares?
 

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

Gekko makes a nice boat, they were independant, then owned by the company that made Centurian boats and this year the original owner is restarting them as a standalone.
 

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

you'll have to raise your price range closer to $20k to get a vdrive. you might find a beater for $18k. keep in mind many people currently in d-drive boats are looking to move up to v-drives so they go pretty quickly when they're priced right.

an open bow is great but not really for putting ballast up front. there isn't a whole lot of storage room under the seats. they are great just for letting people spread out, especially when you're done riding and just relaxing. otherwise, it gets crowded in the rear when you consider people have gear, ice chest, fat sacs on the floor if they aren't plumbed into storage areas.

closed bow boats are also more commonly designed for slalom skiing. that means a smaller boat that creates a smaller wake since that's desirable for slalom. take a look at that gekko pic, it's not a closed bow but look how low it sits in the water. that's called a low freeboard. load it up with people and ballast and you're even closer to the water. slalom types boats ride very rough in anything but glass.

other larger inboards aren't awful in 2-3' chop but you have to slow down compared to how you'd drive in an i/o. it just comes with the territory unless you move into a 23-24' boat as they are making now.

that MC 205 hull as oldjeep said is one of the best wakeboarding hulls designed. if you find another jump on it.

other thoughts...you really want a tower but you can get an after market one if necessary. a tower frees up floor space by holding boards. it also allows people to sit in the rear seats while someone boards since the rope isn't connected to the factory pylon which will be in front of the engine in your $10k price range.

if you can move in the $mid-teens you might be able to find a 92+ supra which is probably going to be the best value. those boats have composite stringers so you won't have to worry about the stringers rotting which is a fairly common problem in the $10k and under range.

nautiques are expensive for their size. they are great boats though.
malibus are also nice but in your price range they'll also be small compared to supras.
mastercrafts like nautiques are pricey but great boats. your link to the 205 has already been deleted so i can't compare the price or age. i'm guessing it was prob around $18k if it was 92+.

this is what i'm talking about with the supras: 1998 Supra Sunsport
it needs a tower but it's priced great. composite stringers and a very successful hull design with enough room for your family and even a few friends. the sunsport hull was the basis for the supra launch series of boats as the mastercraft 205 was the basis for their original x-star series.

perfect pass is great and can be a marriage saver but in your price range it will be hard to find unless it's a smaller boat. they cost about a boat buck ($1k) but can be added easily.
 
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masongardner

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

Thank you very much Salty. You guys and gals have all given me great advice on what to look for. Good thing I have ALL winter to find what I want. lol. If I need to raise the price a little I can, but would rather stay in the 10-12k range, and from what you guys are saying it sounds like I can, just need to be on the prowl and ready to jump on the right one when it does come along.
 

phillnjack2

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

what is the problem with an inboard outdrive for any watersports ?
ive seen these good for water ski-ing good for slalom and also wakeboard and wake surfing.
no the prop is not a problem with a nice guard around it.
the leg can go as deep as you want with a bit of extra weight in the back put there with 1 sack each side and a water transfer pump.
the hull shape is not as important as some might think, as once you start introducing big sacks for bigger wakes then the hull design has gone well away from its original intended use.

trim tabs ,fat sacks ,wedges and of these can be added to a I/o boat.
so whats with needing a v drive ? your doing recreational not world class competition stuff.

most inboard outboard boats are a lot safer than any boat that built just for water ski-ing like the over priced
mastarcrafts and ski-nautiques.

consider just how realy basic the competition ski boats are, they don't have much going for them unless you get the
latest ones with 20k worth of extra's to make them nice and then need huge truck to pull it around.

most 20 ft boats will do the job and be a 1/4 the price of competition boats that cannot go out if the lake is busy due to 1 foot waves
that would sink it.

there is so much that can be done with most sports boats to change the wake for what your wanting to do.
I would re-check on what ive got already, if its big enough then look to see just what 5 grand could do to transform
the boat you have now.
even if you re-powered it with new engine youl still be looking at way under the price of something youl be taking a gamble on.

go look on youtube and see the amount of people getting good results with bayliners searays, mariaha's, campions, maxums etc all with outdrives and outboards too.

there is plenty of outboard boats around that give a good ski, even mastercraft and ski-nautiques have made a lot of
outboard versions.

so unless its for a particular purpose you have a huge selection to look at or keep what you already have.

lots wont agree, but a realy good wakeboard boat is not always a good ski boat, and neither will be much good for
general messing around
if the water is a slight bit worse than glass.


just my opinion ofcourse.


by the way what is your currant boat you have now ?


phill
 

skibrain

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Re: V drive or directv drive?? perfect pass? fat sacs?

original poster (in July) asked about WAKE SURFING = riding the curl of wake 5-6' off the back of the boat.
Generally outboards and i/Os are considered dangerous for this given the risk of falling into the prop. :(
 
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