We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

rrhodes

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

My biggest complaint at the ramp are the Jetskis. They completely ignore the nowake rules and when you are trying to trailer or dock a 25' pontoon or any large boat it makes life more difficult.

Then you have gangs of them tied up on the Dock chilling and talking when boats are trying to find room to tie off so they can move a trailerto or from the ramp.
 

1970kayhydro

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

I get everything ready before I leave the house. There are two launches I use and both are good size and not too busy during the week. The larger one that I prefer has 6 spots and a large parking lot, the other is 4 but I have to get real far in the water. Im tired of the jet skies, I get its a river so its kinda tight but I had two of them that would go on eather side about 10-15 feet away. Then they would turn right in front or behind me and do it again, while I had my 7 year old son with me.
 

tashasdaddy

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all the more reason, for the owner of the boat to be certified, prior to receiving the registration to operate. and subsequent years also. atleast one person will have a partial clue. no certificate, no registration, no use. stay off the water!!!
 

reelfishin

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Reading all the posts here reminds me of the average weekend outing at any of the local public ramps.
I watch a guy with a 22' or better aluminum boat a few weeks ago trying to load on the wrong side of the dock in a strong cross current. He had the the tandem trailer backed in on a 45 degree angle, taking both lanes, he was only backed in far enough to get the rear rollers over the edge of the water and had the boat grounded about a 1 behind the trailer trying to hand winch the thing up with a rope and winch. His truck was jack knifed completely blocking any chance or someone using even the entrance to the dock.
It took him 45 minutes to get loaded. When I told him he needed to back in further his response was that he'd been doing it like that for 40 years.
His trailer was hitched super low, raising the rear end even higher, he had surge brakes and no lights or backup solenoid connected so he burned the tires to back up. There were two guys trying to load it, one was wearing the full mail order boaters apparel kit, but was afraid to get wet, he rode the trailer back standing on the axle tubes holding the winch cable. He only had about 10' of cable out and had to keep going back to pull more cable, each time he did, the driver pulled the trailer back up the ramp and back in for another try. I was waiting for him to fall under the sliding trailer as it bounced and slid backwards down the ramp against two locked wheels.
One the boat was hooked, the pulled farther out, enough so the second guy could step off and not get his feet muddy, then back in a bit, all the while dragging the keel on the concrete ramp behind the trailer. When he finally started winching, the boat was at a 45 degree angle to the trailer and it missed the first keel roller by a foot. That didn't matter, he kept winching, on a rope I remind you, till the boat finally began to lift a bit. I was waiting for him to eat the rope if it broke. The boat was sitting low in the water, well loaded and it turns out full of water as well, once off the ramp they pulled the plug and it gushed water for a good 5 or more minutes. I heard a remark amongst the two of them to the effect that the leak was much better, and that it had very little water in it 'this time'. If that was a minor leak, I can't imagine what it was like before. They proceeded to pull up, blocking the entrance to the marina's shop completely as well as blocking both lanes leading to the ramps for another 20 or so minutes. Oblivious to all the complaining and horns blowing. The boat ended up loaded all the way over to one side, they then proceded to take a huge iron pry bar out of the truck and pry it over in place on the rollers, using the trailer frame as a leverage point and the bar against the hull. After all was done and I finally got in the water, (I was staying way clear of the whole show with my boat and rig). I noticed it didn't even have valid registration stickers on it, they were years past date. They did get out and grease the bearing buddies before leaving.

It takes me about 3 minutes at best to get in the water once I get an open ramp spot, I dump the boat, tie up, park the rig, and pull away. I make sure the boat it rigged, ready to run before I even hit the marina. When loading, I normally stay back and wait for all the dangerous or more entertaining boaters to get done. It's not worth any damage they can cause.

The bad part was the guy with that boat was completely clueless to what he was doing or doing wrong, that's the way his boat launches go and probably have gone for years, he knows nothing different and most likely couldn't ever be taught otherwise. The trailer looked pretty new, at least compared to the boat, but it was already well battered, as was the boat. They had no lines on the boat, it was just 'beached' on the ramp till the trailer got there. The first line securing it was the winch cable. I didn't get a good look at the keel, but I can only imagine what it looked like after years of that sort of ordeal. It's probably why it took on so much water.
 

CATransplant

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

Well, it just goes to show ya: Half the people you run across are below average in intelligence. Some days, it seems like all of that half showed up to go boating, though. :D
 

vintage boat junky

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I guess we found out which users on here are the ones that get scolded on the ramp. No need to hold a grudge. But this topic is right up my alley; as I am a regular puddle jumper. I've seen many things, and my dad, and his dad before him came to the conclusion that "It all happens at the boat landing". That's been a saying for years in my family. Just a few weeks back, I had to rescue some jetskiers stranded in the middle of the lake. Their predicament; they fell off, one got back on but the other couldn't, and the one who did get on couldn't drive it. So being the dumb nice guy that I am, I drove the person from shore who was their friend that reported their situation out to them; he helped his buddy into my boat, and his cousin drove it back to shore; at trolling speed as she couldn't figure out what a throttle is. So upon returning them to the access; they continued to drive the jet ski around in a reckless mannor; whipping 180's and shooting it straight up in the air, in all of 4 feet of water. Oh yes, I've tried to be the nice guy that was suggested earlier; but it doesn't pay. It only enables morons to continue their oblivion and endanger others. I've seen a guy shoot right past my truck (which was stuck in an early spring thaw) and bury his truck (big Chevy 4x4 with mud tires) along with his boat in a muddy bog. I guess seeing the fact that I was stuck wasn't enough to figure it out. I've seen boats driven onto trailers simutaneously while the truck pulls out of the water, turning the boat sideways, I've seen a person whip a U-Turn with a trailer, bending the very frame hence stranding their boat in the water; I've seen a guy launch a boat from the back of his truck bed (didn't have a trailer) by speeding in reverse and stomping on the breaks - and did I mention that the motor wasn't tilted up?; I've seen a group of people try to launch a boat by trying to push it off the trailer - the thing was, their efforts of heave-hoe were altered by the fact that the motor was running and in drive. I've also had a situation where a guy decided to cut in front of me as I'm going to pull out, and dip his trailer in at a 45 degree angle to the ramp; seeing as I was #2 in a 2 lane ramp. That guy I verbally bashed with a very red face. Didn't have enough patience to wait; nope. Got to go outside of the very ramp itself and cut off the ones who were patient. Some times, getting mad is the only thing they listen to. I could write a book. I've also offered some good picnic ideas as finding a picnic table, and eating lunch while watching the ramp. More entertaining than TV if you're not involved. As for the newbies; there are ways to learn the how-to's. If not online, simply ask some of the vets already there. Most people I noticed are more than friendly (perhaps just the MN nice) and are willing to help if you have a question. Some just come up and help without a word said. But I will reiterate what was said earlier; keep the ramp time to a minimum.
 

CATransplant

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

The last time I went to my favorite lake, after I got ready to come in with my little 12' tinny, it was pretty slow at the ramp. So, I tied up to the courtesy dock and went up and backed my trailer in. There was nobody in line.

But, there was a guy on the other half of the ramp with a 14' aluminum boat, who was having a devil of a time getting his boat on the trailer. I winched my boat up on the trailer and started walking up to the SUV to pull out.

The other guy asked, "How'd you do that so easily?" His boat was floating around and he couldn't get it centered at all on the trailer, which was backed in too deeply.

I told him that I retrieved my similar boat by backing in until the rear roller was just above the water surface, then pulled it partway on and winched it the rest of the way.

He thought about it for a minute, then tied his boat back to the dock and pulled his trailer forward until that rear roller was positioned just right. Sure enough, his boat came nicely onto the trailer, all centered and everything.

He parked next to me in the lot, where I was doing all the stuff to get ready to tow the boat home (It's a lot in Minnesota, since you can get a nasty ticket for stuff like weeds on your trailer). He thanked me, telling me that he had been having trouble loading his boat all season long.

We all, in a nice way, need to be helpful to the other boaters around us. Sometimes, the trouble they're having is easily corrected with a kindly piece of advice.

You can't help the jerks who know it all, but there are a lot of folks who would welcome a hint or two. For me, the key is smiling and saying something like, "Having trouble? Can I help?" That starts things off in a good way. I need to remember that better, and offer the help, without being asked, more often.
 

matt.benson

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I have to appologize to those reading this thread for getting Mcpherson all up in arms. I wasn't bashing him, not something I personally like to do. If he took it that way next time I will post it more clearly. I was just mearly talking about those people at boat ramps that we all love to sit and watch and help out when needed.
 

Navy Jr.

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The major problem is that there is nothing posted nor general instructions for boat launch etiquette.

Unfortunately, no one uses it how I think it should be used, but there are no instructions so I just have to follow the general consensus - which leads to long back-ups. What people do there is those leaving drive their boat up to one of the launch sites and leave it tied up while one person goes and gets the vehicle/trailer to pull it out. Of course that person ends up at the back of the line waiting to launch, so one launch site is unusable until they get out. QUOTE]

I'm new to boating this year and I, too, wonder why they don't post general unloading and loading instructions at all of the ramps (well, specifically DNR ramps anyway). Just the basic stuff like getting the boat ready to launch before pulling into the ramp, and making sure you don't take up more than one ramp space. I learned the rules by attending a safe boating class, but unfortunately not everyone gets certified.

Regarding folks who return and block a ramp with their boat until they get their trailer, there's another thread on this forum called "Your trailer is in line, not your boat" that has some pretty good observations in it.

And, finally, as one who is retired, I also have the luxury of being able to boat during the week. Have yet to take it out on a weekend. Having said that, there were a couple of times when it was busy anyway. Maybe it's Minnesota nice, or maybe there are so many boaters in Minnesota that we all get it, but so far I have yet to run into anyone who was rude or caused long delays for others.

Like I said, I'm a newbie. Perhaps it's just a matter of time...
 

ToothDocNick

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I had to laugh a couple of weekends ago when I went out later in the evening to find the bass on our little local lake. There was a small 12-14 foot aluminum boat out with me, and just as the sun was setting they fired up the gas motor (now mind you it is an eletric motors only lake). They proceded to drive around the lake 3-4 times and then head for the dock. I fgured that it was getting late so I head there as well....taking my time since I knew they were there. I drifted off the dock for about 15 minutes before they finally were able to drag this boat onto the trailer and allow me to get into shore. I backed the truck down to the dock, put the trailer in the water, and as I was heading back to the boat I hear one of the guys yell, "you need a hand withthat thing?" I politely declined and he added, "it is getting pretty dark and it can be tricky getting the boat out." I politely declined again. 3 minutes later I was out of the water and securing the boat to the trailer, all the tackle had been put away while I was waiting for the dock. I looked over and these 3 guys are struggling with the boat, and it is nowhere near on the trailer correctly. I then offered a hand to which they accepted. I had them back the boat back in, and then retrailer it......3 minutes later they were ready to go. Nobody had ever showed them how to do this stuff. I made some new friends that day if I ever get stuck out on the lake. A little time to pay it forward.
 
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Boat ramps provide hours of entertainment-all free.

The few times I have been boatless, in my life, I still hung around boat ramps for the entertainment and to lend a hand-smetimes.

For the noob out there, I highly suggest you visit some ramps at busy times. You will quickly see what works and what does not. You will also see pro's and the clueless.
 

tashasdaddy

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amen, brother!!!!!!
 

Dante04SRT

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The best entertainment, not aggravation, usually comes from watching people back up their rigs.

We were all there at some point, but come on - Practice in an empty parking lot!

I always get a chuckle out of seeing trucks and trailers zig zagging their way down the ramp! :D

I don't know about everyone else but I load everything in the boat AT THE HOUSE and then when we arrive at the ramp, I pull in line and while there, take off the transom tie downs, put the plug in and load the wife... Then, when its my turn, I back up and just before getting to the water, I unhook the bow strap and drop it in. The wife takes care of starting the boat and getting it tied to the dock while I park the truck. Easy... Took a few times to get the hang of it, but it's all good now. Takes less than 5 minutes from start to finish to drop it in.

To get it back on the trailer, my wife drops me off at the dock, then goes and floats close by. I get the truck and when its my turn, I back in and my wife drives the boat onto the trailer. I usually stand in the water by the bow winch and am ready to hook it up and get the bow strap tight. Pull out of the water and park out of everyone's way, hook the transom straps up, pull the plug and make sure nothing will fly out... then head home.
 

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I have to say that the type of behavior being described at the boat ramps is displayed in other arenas as well. It just seems to be magnified at a boat ramp where people and things converge, There is a subtle sameness to boating schedules, and very few boat ramps are designed to handle all the boats that can be on the lake all at once.

I try to help when I can, but if tempers are being displayed I get away as soon as I can.

One thing interesting about this thread was when an offended poster complained about a certain set of people getting "bashed" here (I say they were "called out" and not "bashed") then proceeded to bash all older golfers, pretty ironic.
 

tashasdaddy

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that is the correct way. be ready when it is your turn. but a lot of times i have to lauch alone, i tie the bow line to winch stand, float boat off, pull up enough to get bow line walk it to the dock, and get back as fast as i can. just the opposite loading, i can do it in 3 minutes each way.
 

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And, finally, as one who is retired, I also have the luxury of being able to boat during the week. Have yet to take it out on a weekend. Having said that, there were a couple of times when it was busy anyway. Maybe it's Minnesota nice, or maybe there are so many boaters in Minnesota that we all get it, but so far I have yet to run into anyone who was rude or caused long delays for others.

Like you, I'm retired and boat only during the week. I also live in Minnesota, and boat mainly on small lakes. It's almost exclusively anglers in smaller boats I encounter. They're almost all very proficient at launching and retrieving.

I think we're a bit spoiled, and I expect it's the same in almost every place during the week. I skip weekends because I just don't like crowds.
 

skargo

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Have any of you seen much of a decline due to higher fuel prices this year?
 

mthieme

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Not too much here.
I've noticed fewer performance boats out running. Almost every evening I would here at least one pair of 502's doing their thing off in the distance. It's been quieter on the porch this season.
I have noticed a lot more bigger boats for sale locally though.
I personally have been using my smaller skiff a lot more than my Searay.
 

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mthieme

Thanks.

I was just down your way last weekend, picking up my boat.
See you on the water!

Scott
 
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