What the heck is wrong with me?

waterinthefuel

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I don't want this to sound like a whiney thread, but I'm starting to wonder about myself.

I'm sorry about this threads' length, but please, if you have time, read it all, so you can understand where I'm coming from on this issue.

As most of you know, I work at an airport, and one of my jobs is fuel quality management (hence my username). I enjoy the job, but it has zero upward mobility. If I stay, in 20 years, I will be doing the same thing.

I work the worst shift on the clock, (night shift) and I work alone most of the time, so it's up to me to get everything done. I worked there 3 years before being "promoted" to crew chief ( of a crew of 3 when someone else was actually there) with a 1/hr raise in pay. Some other guy comes in with zero experience and in 4 months is promoted to crew chief. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm the only one out of 13 line guys that has never damaged an airplane, and I've been there half a decade. That guy who was promoted after 4 months damaged at least two planes, that I know of.

I spoke with someone from one of the airlines and she said why not come work with us. I asked her what I'd be doing and what it paid, she said basically I'd be throwing bags (loading baggage) for 8 bucks an hour, substantially less then what I make now. I told her that was a lateral, or if anything, downward move, and no thanks.

Well come to find out someone who worked for us for about 2 months got the job. In less than a month with American Eagle he was promoted to fuel auditor, flying around the country for free, all expenses paid, to audit the fueling facilities (like what I work for) that serve their company's planes fuel. BLEEP? I made my decision based on the information I was given. He got the job because of his "fuel experience." BLEEP? He worked for our company for 2 months, and he got the job because of his "fuel experience" that, as you can see, could have been measured in days!!! I've been with them since 2002!!! He's now making about twice what I currently make. I wasn't told about the fuel auditor opening, so I turned it all down. I couldn't risk losing a half decent paying job to go throw bags for less in the vein hope that American Eagle could move me up through the ranks.

Another young kid from our facility just left and was gaurenteed (sp?) a 40k/year job with UPS in the business department upon getting his degree in business. BLEEP? I already have a degree in business from the same university he is attending, and was only offered a job to deliver packages when I applied.

And worst of all, when our (flight) line manager quit, the owners son was promoted to line manager. This kid has the managing ability of a tree stump. There were 3 line guys that had been there way longer than this kid had, one had worked there longer than this kid had been alive, and none of them got the job, or were even offered it, with one of the three having a degree in business from the university I attended. I am more pissed about this one than any other, not because I wasn't offered the position, but because it would have been a golden opprotunity to give someone who'd been there at least a decade the chance to run the line, which would have made for a chance for improvement of the entire line department. Instead, this kid comes into the picture and nothing changes.

Oh yea, the old line manager came back, and when his job wasn't available, my boss created a position with no known duties, for the same salary he was making before. Basically, he rides around on a golfcart for 35k/year.

Like one person affectionatly told me, I'm being BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP. It's like I can't figure out why the BLEEP BLEEP keeps hitting me in the face. The customers I deal with during the night love me, as do the airlines in the morning (why I was offered the job with Amer Eagle in the first place) and my bosses will bend over backward to accomodate me when I need time off.

But give me a raise or a promotion, and it ain't gonna happen.

FWIW, I've had 3 job offers since 2006, all for less pay then what I'm making now. It seems every time I stick my nose out I get offered less then I already make, yet kids come along with less experience and blow right past me.

Not to toot my own horn but I have a college degree (4 year, not 2), I'm a private pilot, I'm very computer savvy, I've taken an IQ test and scored a 120, which was in the top 90 percentile of everyone who'd ever taken it. I just can't put my finger on what's holding me down.
 
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tommays

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

Buy Not moveing on your telling the owner you are willing to work under those conditions as you have for 5 years


I use to work for a guy that worked on the i am willing to bet you cant do better PAY THEORY no matter how good of a worker you were

Most people figured it out and left


Tommays
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

To get on a career ladder that goes further than the one you are on you have to get down and start over, WIF. You seem to have refused that sort of change several times.

If you are topped out where you are. You need to ask yourself what you need to do to get where you want to be. It may have little to do with your marketable skills and more to do with your motivation and style.

Several times in my career(s) I took a step back to get on a better road that better fit what I wanted to do.

Try it, you will (eventually) like it.
 

aspeck

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

witf, who says there is anything wrong with you? It sounds like you are loyal - almost to a fault, and that you are doing a good job where you are.

Now, the question is, how much do you like that job? Because it sounds like you do like it, and the work environment isn't bad -- it is just the pay and promotion thing. So, to get a better paying job, you will have to face the facts that you will possibly have to take a crappier job with lower pay in order to get ahead of where you are now. Are you willing to take the risk, or do you like the job enough to stay where you are?

You are the one that will have to answer that question. There is security, a good relationship with the boss (with benefits of him bending over backwards for time off for you), and apparently a job you like, where you are. A lot of unknowns in other fields. So, what ya gonna do?
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

Sometimes you have to come down off one ladder to get to one that goes higher. I have been fortunate to not have to have done that, but I know of people that took positions that were a step down because the upward opportunity was better and htey did surpass their previous positions.

Don't look at your pay emotionally as a measure of your worth and be insulted when they offer you less. Look at the potential opportunity and the pay decrease as a temporary cost of that opportunity. Of course you have to make ends meet so it becomes a tradeoff.

Sounds like you are networking. Keep it up and cultivarte those relationships even more. That is a great way to find that opportunity.
 

LubeDude

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

Sorry if this is offensive, but you need to kiss a little *****.

My son works for intel. He had been there for about three years and found himself in the same position as you and told me that he was thinking about quiting!!! I told him he was out of his mind quiting a company like intel. He also had a computer degree. He said he wouldn't kiss b*tt, and I told him this.

"It's not really kissing b*tt as much as it is letting the management know that you intend to stick with the company and let them know that you are not challenged in you present position. Ask them what you can do to move up with the company, that you love the company and want to grow with it. Beleive me, when a position of greater pay and importance comes up they will look right at you as a go getter". He actually took my advice! [First time in his life I think]! And he has moved up several time since then.
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

LubeDude's on track with his post. The only person that will look out for your well being in any organization is you. If you thing the higher ups will take care of you you're kidding yourself. It's OK to toot your own horn, and pat yourself on the back to get noticed. Just don't blow to loudly, or hurt your arm in the process.
 

bruceb58

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

What is your 4 year degree in and how long have you been out of school?
 

waterinthefuel

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

Great advice.

Aspeck, I really don't know. The fact that in 10 years I'll be making the same wage I am now pretty much rules out me staying in my comfort zone. I was told I get too comfy at a job that is actually holding me back.

I don't like kissing *** as I feel if I can't get ahead through my work ethic, abilities and accomplishments then I am either doing something wrong or working for the wrong company. It doesn't look like the real world works that way.

My degree is in insurance and risk management, in 2001. I've already decided that although the insurance business is neat, it's not what I want to do for a living. I worked in it for a summer and loved the job, but only because it was low responsibility and the people were great. (I answered the phones) I want to stay in aviation, as thats my love and passion.

I am currently saving all my money to go BACK to school and get my A&P (airframe and powerplant, that is, an airplane mechanic) license. I feel that going back to a technical college makes me feel like a semi-failure, as if all the money that my parents spent on me going to a university was a waste, as I am unable to use the degree for anything. I did read at avjobs.com several A and P jobs, and it said preferential treatment is given to those who have high school diplomas. Hmm...maybe that college degree might come in handy after all.
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

All good advice here WITF . . . I stayed with the same Company for 24 years as it was always good for me. There were times when co-workers criticised me for being a Kiss Arse as I would get promotions and stuff while they didn't. Anyway, what I have always said to them and my kids regarding teachers etc. is "How is it kissing arse if you are getting what you want? Who's in charge then?" The way I see it is that if you are not paid to make your superiors happy, then what the heck are you paid for? I would make darn sure that they were not seeing any grumbling, any dissention, anything but support and constructive criticism. This can go too far though. I have had employees who have made it clear that they are working for promotions etc. Often times they did not have a reasonable expectation and actually did themselves a disservice by reaching too far too quickly. It is a balance, that's for sure.
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

Great advice.

Aspeck, I really don't know. The fact that in 10 years I'll be making the same wage I am now pretty much rules out me staying in my comfort zone. I was told I get too comfy at a job that is actually holding me back.

I don't like kissing *** as I feel if I can't get ahead through my work ethic, abilities and accomplishments then I am either doing something wrong or working for the wrong company. It doesn't look like the real world works that way.

My degree is in insurance and risk management, in 2001. I've already decided that although the insurance business is neat, it's not what I want to do for a living. I worked in it for a summer and loved the job, but only because it was low responsibility and the people were great. (I answered the phones) I want to stay in aviation, as thats my love and passion.

I am currently saving all my money to go BACK to school and get my A&P (airframe and powerplant, that is, an airplane mechanic) license. I feel that going back to a technical college makes me feel like a semi-failure, as if all the money that my parents spent on me going to a university was a waste, as I am unable to use the degree for anything. I did read at avjobs.com several A and P jobs, and it said preferential treatment is given to those who have high school diplomas. Hmm...maybe that college degree might come in handy after all.

Had a buddy go thru 8 yrs of Navy training in A&P - came out & couldn't get a job that paid well enough to support his wife & 2 kids. Loving a job is great, but it has to put food on the table.

Look at the names on the big buildings in any city - usually insurance or investment companies...that tell you anything?

Go where the $$ is for a career - save your passions for hobbies. Just some advice from a grizzled vet. Good luck in whatever you choose!
 

waterinthefuel

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

LOL The big names on buildings around here are hotels and resturaunts. Man people around here can eat.

You start out with an A and P job at about 15 an hour are usually over 20 an hour within 5 years, with as much overtime as you care to work. The pay goes up incrimentally and I was told within 10, if you play your cards right (oh god here we go again) that you can make 50g's a year.

Mechanics and pilots are where the money is at in aviation.

I'm sure you've heard the saying that you shouldn't work at a job just for the money, as you will be miserable your entire working career.

I'm a single guy with one truck and one motorcycle. I can live comfortably on 15 an hour for sure. The cost of living in Louisiana is fairly low, although it has gone up a bunch since Katrina.

I'm not dead set on A and P school, but like I told someone before, if I want to stay around airplanes I have 3 main choices, the 3 F's as I call them: I can FUEL them, FIX them or FLY them. I have no desire to be a commercial pilot, I'm already fueling them, so that leaves one option. Unless I want to work in an industry that I don't care about, I better get ready to go to school.

There is a huge shortage of mechanics right now, they are being paid top dollar. Just 5 years ago this was NOT the case. It is estimated to stay this way for at least the next 10 years, assuming no terrorist attack occurs between now and then.
 

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I am electrical engineer...been doing it for 25 years. It pays very well and it is interesting ...always something new. I would have to say that most jobs are worse and few that are better. Saying that, it is my life after work and in my free time that determines my happiness...not my job. As long as my job will support what I like to do, then I am happy.

My wife graduated with an international business degree and worked in the insurance business for most of her career. Just recently, she decided to go into Human Resources. Along with her business back ground and Human Resources training classes, she got a good job in HR. She had to take a slight cut in pay to get the job she has now but it will reap dividends in the future.
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

Dude.....I was in your position 6 years ago. I eventually decided to take a 15k hit to change industries. Went from Hotel/Hospitality to IT with a lot of retraining along the way. It was hard at first. But now I am way better off. If you can afford to move, even within your current industry, I would suggest that you do. The move will give you a new prospective.

Lots of great advice already mentioned.

C.
 

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WITF, just a thought ... I & R, hmmm, seems like there is a need for people with aviation experience in aviation insurance ... just a thought.

But it boils down to what is right for you! What is right for me, or QC, or LD, or Colorado04, or anybody else, doesn't matter to you. Your likes, your desires, your needs are what matters. You have to decide what you want to do with your life and then go for it. But don't get stuck in a box, think creatively about how to reach those goals. If you can dream it, you can do it! So start dreaming, and then go for it! Now is the time, you are young and have few responsibilities. When you are older with family, then you have to worry about that, but now, you just need enough to eat and put fuel in the vehicles ... okay, a little over simplified, but you get the drift. So dream and go for it!
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

Do you toot your own horn?

Are you agressive?

Do you act complacent?

Have you told your boss you are not happy with your position? Have you told him all the things you said in your first post?

Are you too good at your job, so they CANT promote you?

Working the night shift is not a good time to be noticed by the boss.

Loyalty is no longer rewarded. In fact, at my last job, if you stayed in one place for more than 3 years, it looked bad.

Ken
 

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Now is definetely the right time for a change. When you get the family and a mortage its seems too late. I would so love to go back to school. I've spent most of my adult life working at a job that I only semi like so my wife could get more education. The plan was for her to get where she could carry us with me working pt (what we had been doing just oppisite) and I going to school. Well the money looked to good for her so now we have a nice new home that we'll pay for for the next 20 years. I can't take a pay cut and maintain my current lifestyle, we'd have to live really poor to make ends meet. Add to that an 11 yo and a 5 yo old. It looks like when I can finally afford to go to school I'll be so damn old its time to retire. Do it now, whatever it is, do it now.
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

WITF,

Do you like your job in all its aspects? Is this a union job? I used to work on boats, as that was my passion, but I quickly realized the elastic nature of the business and the ceiling inherent to a business run by others who a different version of "fair". I now "enjoy" boating from the otherside. (Paying for it) Sounds like you can't change your existing situation so it may be wise to look to change yourself/work conditions. There are litterly millions of great places to work. (And just as many bad ones) You need to find one in your area of expertise and in a place you want to live. Being creative in your mind will help you seek out new challenges.

I spent the past 15 years of my life selling and marketing pumps. A month ago I changed to selling industrial feeding equipment. The product is completely different, the relationships I spent years cultivating were lost, all that product and competitive knowledge - gone, but the job is the same. I tried (poorly) to point out to Pony that it isn't the company that makes him great, it is he (you) that makes the company great. Some companies recognize that, some don't. Adjust accordingly.
 

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Sounds like you are young still with the big door of opportunity at your feet. I'll tell you what I told my son.....Get your life in order first!

Get a job that you went to school for. Everything in this world is money driven. Even women is driven by money. They don't want to settle down with someone with a meger paycheck. There is plenty of time ahead of you to get that dream job that you want to retire from.

I would say your chances of finding your dream job would be in the position you went to school for. I would say that in the insurance industry that you would be more likely to meet those with thick wallets. Just maybe one of those thick wallet guys has several airplanes that he needs a personal mechanic for. As mentioned before, maybe with your knowledge of aircraft, there maybe a place for an insurance adjuster as there is with vehicles. Your experience with aircraft would be a big positive along with your 4 years of school. I would think that a company that insures aircraft would open their eyes if they knew of your experience. This could satisfy both your financial needs and your love of aircraft.

My personal experience is that kissing butt and knowing people is what gets you noticed. Getting noticed and putting your name in the higher ups vocabulary everyday is the way to move up. If they don't know you,,,,,,,what exactly do you expect?

The job I have is the highest pay I have ever had. It took me 25 years to get there. I got the job because I got noticed by an owner of a business that needed someone of my knowledge. Its not my dream job, but I don't know of a job that pays for sitting on your butt fishing and drinking beer.:D

You got to be a go getter! When you apply for a job,,,,,,BRAG on yourself. This is the only time you get that chance where bragging is permitted. Good luck and don't drop any fuel samples.................SS
 

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Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

Hey WITF, I'm going to try something I'm very poor at: Mind Reading. You persued a relitively low risk number oriented field in college: Risk Management in the Insurance business. The insurance industry is huge and career oppurtunities are vast and not just in insurance, (but it is dealing with 'intangables' similar to my choice of careers after college: Banking and Securities), which may and probably does not turn yer crank. I shifted from an intagable career to the tangable food business after me own mid life crisis, probably: because I was an insufferable potential employee and needed to work fer meself, (I also have two deaf kids [now young adults] that I wanted to build something to help them financially when I'm gone). (It's hard for deaf people to sell securities!) You picked a much more tangable job in the aircraft field for your working carreer. You seem to tend to aviod risk in yer job choices and yer job progression. Let's boil this all down: I think when you look in the mirror you tend to like something tangable for a job. You seem to be performance and honor and security motivated and less motivated by money. I think it works best to be as happy as possible in yer job choices unlike others who have answered yer post here as we all spend a great deal of time at work, and if ya luv it, like I luved the securities business: IT IS A GREAT WAY TO LIVE LIFE. It will take some 'gumption' to take the risk to make a change which it seems you must do. Would risk management in the aircraft fueling business be a possibility? How about direct sales of some of the specialized equipment you use? Both of those potential positions envolve makeing a change but much less risky then a total change where you lack specific training or experience. The risk management side would seem to offer a chance to use the skills you learned in school. I personally think risk management would be a great field. Everybody needs it. Large companies, government entities et al. Sales is a great way to be directly compensated for your own personal output, without the capital risk of setting up yer own business. You are never jelous of others who are less skilled then you as you get what you put into the process. Salesmen or Women are not generally the smartest or most educated they just work very hard and pragmatically jump at any opportunity to sell, (those opportunities have usually been created by their hard work). Luck happens when yer workin' hard: WITF. I would also observe that you seem to be passive and waiting for someone to notice you and offer you a position. It rarely works that way unless yer Dad owns the company. YOU MUST GET AGRESSIVE AND CREATE YER OWN JOB OFFER BY PERSUING ONE. Be carefull, (which is clearly your nature), as it will take some planing and soul searching. It would be better to move now while the economy has full employment so you can make the change and establish yourself sufficiently based on your own performance prior to any economic down turn or other event. MY $.02. Hope it helps. JR
 
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