What to do with a piece of history...???

Huron Angler

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My family has owned property on northern Lake Huron going back to when my maternal Grandmother bought it after WWII. One of the interesting things about this of course is the flotsam, jetsam, and general driftwood that provided building materials for treeforts throughout my childhood.:D

My question is this: If I have a legitimate piece of the Edmund Fitzgerald that clearly has stenciled letters spelling out the name, what should I do with it? My parents aren't sure of its origins and my grandparents are no longer with us. The assumption I have is that it washed on our beach after having fallen off the big ship while it was en route from Detroit to Lake Superior(otherwise it would have had to go thru the Soo Locks on the way back to Lake Huron which I think is not likely). My Grandpa probably picked it up off the beach, looked at it and hung it up on his pegboard in the garage. Unfortunately we did not ask questions about it prior to his death in 1996.:( I'm really the only person in the family who has any interest in the item).

There is a Maritime Museum in Detroit http://www.glmi.org/ that has an Edmund Fitzgerald memorial and I've been considering maybe asking them if they would like to display the piece on loan/donation. I'm not sure how many artifacts they have from the ship...I'm assuming that there may be some interest in the item.

It is a piece of wood painted red about 2"x32" slightly tapered on one end and it's painted red w/ stenciled Edmund Fitzgerald painted in black on one side. The other feature is a 5' length 1/2" rope tied to the wood thru a hole on one end.

I have some pictures that I can post after I'm done fishing after work today rather than go on and on with descriptions. It is 100% authentic and is in excellent condition. I think it may have been used to ring a bell?!? Ideas on its original function are more than welcome.

I figured you folks would be interested in this and I would appreciate some feedback on what you would deem appropriate action(of course I'd like to sell the piece to buy a sweet used Starcraft and a brand new outboard but probably should donate it to a museum).

What do ya think???:confused::confused:
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

If I were you, I would send a picture to the museum which will be able to access resources that can ID the item....or explain why it is actually nothing to do with "Big Fitz".
At this point I doubt that anyone in this forum has the expertise to tell you that it is: let's say...1) actually a prop used to keep a hatch open.....or.... 2) just a piece of wood that someone stencilled the name on as a reminder of a great marine tragedy.
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

First off, I think it's pretty cool of you to delve into this.
While I think the Maritime museum (Great Lakes Maritime Museum?) in Detroit might be interested there is also the Great Lakes Shipwreck museum at Whitefish point in the U.P.
They have a decent bit of Edmund Fitzgerald stuff and might also be interested.
 

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....I have some pictures that I can post after I'm done fishing after work today...

I think you need to reevaluate your priorities :D ...fishing more important than Iboats.... jeeez!
 

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The legend lives on from the chippewa on down, to the big lake they call kitchagumee, the lake it is said never gives up her dead when the skys of November turn gloomy, With a load of iron ore 26,000 tons more than the Edmund Fitzgerold weighed empty........


Bill
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

I think you should go on Antiques Roadshow so we can all watch your surprise face when they tell you what it is worth :D:D
 

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The legend lives on from the chippewa on down, to the big lake they call kitchagumee, the lake it is said never gives up her dead when the skys of November turn gloomy, With a load of iron ore 26,000 tons more than the Edmund Fitzgerold weighed empty........


Bill

Grrrrrr that song will be stuck in my head all day :eek::D
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

First off, I think it's pretty cool of you to delve into this.
While I think the Maritime museum (Great Lakes Maritime Museum?) in Detroit might be interested there is also the Great Lakes Shipwreck museum at Whitefish point in the U.P.
They have a decent bit of Edmund Fitzgerald stuff and might also be interested.

That's what I've been told when I ask anyone from up north about it. I haven't been to either the Shipwreck museum in Whitefish Point or the one in Detroit. Maybe I should visit each one and see which would be better- a good excuse to go look at interesting stuff about boats all day at least.:D
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

Grrrrrr that song will be stuck in my head all day :eek::D

Look on the bright side, Bob ... at least SOMETHING will be in your head all day!!!! :eek::p;):D


As for the Fitz artifact, I agree with the above, send them pictures and see if there is any interest. It is great when someone wants to share their "piece of history" with others. Kudos to you.
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

That's what I've been told when I ask anyone from up north about it. I haven't been to either the Shipwreck museum in Whitefish Point or the one in Detroit. Maybe I should visit each one and see which would be better- a good excuse to go look at interesting stuff about boats all day at least.:D

I've been to the museum in Detroit a few times-- it's a real nice little museum on an island called Belle Isle in the Detroit River. Took my kids there a couple years ago and I think it's time for another trip. I think it would be a fine place for your piece to end up if it works out that way.

I hear the Whitefish Point museum is a good one too-- went there once but it was closed that day :(
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

Vessels of her type had many deck openings that used four red painted posts with line secured between them that surrounded the openings to prevent crew from accidentally falling into the holds when the manhole hatches were open. Just a guess. I have plenty of resource at the USMMA to identify your prize if you wish to forward me the pics and details. The United States Merchant Marine Museum at Kings Point would be proud to display the item if it is verified authentic. Good Luck!
 

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I would love to see a picture posted of it. I always love seeing unusual history related items.
 

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Here she is in all her glory...as authentic as can be.

As far as what it was designed to do...???
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

The only thing I can think of is that it looks similar to a toggle for holding the painter (bow line) of a life boat. The painter had a large eye spliced in it, the eye of the line was put through a ring in the forward end of the lifeboat and held in place by the toggle. When the life boat was launched the toggle was pulled, releasing the painter freeing the life boat from the ship.

This is only a guess, the ones I remember were shorter than this. Is there any signs of wear or chaffing on the item?
 

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The shipwreck museum in Whitefish Bay has a very complete display of the Fitz, including the original bell.

If anyone would have info on the origins of your item, it would be them.
 

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Having visited the Dossin Great Lakes Museum many times I will say that it is a great place and would most likely love to have your piece in their collection.

The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum is also a spectacular place. A great deal of history is on display including the 200lb bronze bell from the wreck site of the Fitz.

I can't suggest either site over the other, but would caution you to consider all the options you have before making any decision.
 

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Another possible use that comes to mind would be a wedge to hold down a canvas hatch cover. I don't know if she had this type of hatch cover though. Anyone here know?

Looking at Wikipedia's site there is a photograph of a lifeboat from the ship. Apparently the "Steamship Valley Camp" museum in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan has two lifeboats. You could try contacting them.
 

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Spoke to a couple people familiar with GL bulk carriers and showed them the pic. Best guess so far is since the Fitz was carrying ore with highly combustible dust, efforts to remain explosion proof included replacing the steel dog knockers (heavy walled steel tubes hung near hatches used to open and secure the dogs on hatches to remain watertight)with heavy hardwoods to prevent sparking. I'll keep poking around those "in the know" to see what others think.
 

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Re: What to do with a piece of history...???

Another possible use that comes to mind would be a wedge to hold down a canvas hatch cover. I don't know if she had this type of hatch cover though. Anyone here know?

Looking at Wikipedia's site there is a photograph of a lifeboat from the ship. Apparently the "Steamship Valley Camp" museum in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan has two lifeboats. You could try contacting them.

She had steel hatch covers. Infact they were cited during a coast guard inspection just a few weeks prior to her sinking that 4 of those covers had cracks and "were in need of repair, but were so minor they could wait until winter layover for repair"

Bill
 
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