Where's Don S?

jamesr1 · May 1, 2005

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Maybe we should define American? Many on this board have quotes from our founding father, but yet look at the state of our country. Here are a couple of my personal favorites: " We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts--not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution" -- Abraham Lincoln " Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " -- Thomas Jefferson

trog100 · May 1, 2005

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i am very often guilty of going into too much detail.. i tend to put more into an answer than the original question requires.. its cos i think any post has far more readers than the guy who actually asks the question.. i add a bit mainly for the silent readers.. every forum has em.. i think how i find out information.. i search and read.. finding one detailed and informative post is far better than wading thru a whole bunch of one line type answers.. to be honest if u really want to find out about anything.. the best way of doing it isnt to ask a question its simply to search and read back thru the old posts.. its a very rare question indeed that aint bin gone over in great detail at least a dozen times.. so in that sense nearly every thing we say on here dont need saying cos its all bin said before.. a few better FAQs and we could all shut up and treat the entire place as an information archive.. he he trog100

BigPoppaG · May 1, 2005

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Originally posted by notinbig: Hey Bigpoppa, This is a free country but Trog ain't no AMERICAN! God Bless OUR soldiers!!!

Point taken. iboats is a free board, Post at will. BPG

DHPMARINE · May 1, 2005

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And just how does all this help me fix my boat? I thought that is what this forum is about. DHP Don will post when he can.

BillP · May 2, 2005

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Boohoohoo, geez...people posting here for help don't need to be talked down to like they are blooming idiots. A friendly spit or spat is one thing but it seemed to be a continuing deal with you know who. Who needs that around? If it bothered him that bad he doesn't need to be around anyway. I say don't read or respond to messages if there is a possibility of the poster's IQ or actions pizzing you off. Get over it. Deal with it. Quit being angry over stuff you can't control.

lakelivin · May 2, 2005

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MHO, since everyone else is posting theirs. Don S. could be curt, sarcastic, or dismissive ON OCCASION. He also is one of the most experienced mechanics on here. In addition to providing ALOT of free time and advice (after spending his days fixing boats for a living), he is one of the few regulars that often went the extra mile to post pictures and/ or diagrams to help posters fix their problems. My view is to take in the whole picture. From an overall perspective, his time and advice was worth much more than the downside of his occasionally 'crusty' attitude. I don't recall reading anything from Don that was so offensive as to justifying a desire for him to leave the forum. I'd suggest that those who were THAT offended check the thickness of their skin and reconsider how you handle such a response. I know on occasion I've received what I would consider a curt or derisive answer from Don. I further explained where I was coming from, and he provided useful information in return. In my view everyone on this board is NOT equal. Those with extensive expertise who spend alot of time HELPING others deserve alot more leeway than one might give the occasional poster ASKING for help. IMHO (and for the record, I'm in the latter category).

BigPoppaG · May 2, 2005

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Originally posted by LakeLivin: In my view everyone on this board is NOT equal. Those with extensive expertise who spend alot of time HELPING others deserve alot more leeway than one might give the occasional poster ASKING for help.

BS! They don't have to give it if they don't want to. They deserve no more leeway then anyone else. This isn't a board for Pro mech. It is a open forum for everyone. All equal. You can put who every you want on a pedestal but I have gotten just as many great correct answers from regular posters as I have from the mech. This post is no longer about Don S it's about people speaking their mind. Obviously everyone has a lot to get off their chest about this subject. BPG

lakelivin · May 3, 2005

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BPG: although I agree that this is a forum open to everyone, we'll have to agree to disagree on the value we place on individual contributors. Sure, many of the posts can be (and are) answered by 'shadetree' mechanics, but when a very complicated issue comes along I've noticed that it's usually the 'pros' who provide the path to a solution. AND that a few of the pros regularly provide advice, oftentimes in a detailed fashion. It may just be that I appreciate the time they invest a bit more than you do. Maybe I'm wrong (this is just my impression), but it seems to me that if a part number or digram is posted to solve an OPs problem, it's more often from one of the 'pros' than from a 'shadetree'. Also agree with a portion of Bill P's post, namely his advice to Don: "..don't read or respond to messages if there is a possibility of the poster's IQ or actions pizzing you off." That way we retain his expertise, and he doesn't get frustrated and in turn 'pizz' off those of you who take offense at some of his blunt posts.

BigPoppaG · May 3, 2005

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Your right LakeLivin......we agree to disagree. God Bless America.

I come here for help and advice. I don't see Pro Mech by anyones name so I don't know who is the real deal and who isn't. I consider myself a common sense guy and can usually tell if someone knows what they are talking about or just blowing smoke. Even If I don't there are about 56619 registered members as of this posting who will jump right in if someone says something wrong.  "It may just be that I appreciate the time they invest a bit more than you do." OH PLEAAAAAAAASE.

Hopefully the are here just to help those of us who need it, not to get pats on the back or egos boosted. (reference bold quotes above)

I appreciate their help as much as the so called shadetree mechanics help. Everyone is here because they want to learn and they want to help. Don't want to get in a PI22ing contest. Hope we can all just get along here.

lakelivin · May 3, 2005

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BPG, no problems here. W.r.t. "the time they invest", what I meant was this: if you look at the rate of replys from individuals, there are a couple of pros who are way up there, i.e., spending alot of time posting responses, as compared to many of the shadetrees who are willing to help, but can only occasionally post when something familiar comes up. I haven't noticed anyone looking to get pats on the back or egos boosted...With Don I think it was a poorly handled frustration problem, which as I said before, Bill P's advice would solve. As for Trog, don't want to lose him from the forum either. My only suggestion would be that there are times when it might be more appropriate for him to start a new thread to address some of his tangents that are not completely relevent to the original post, but might be valid points in & of themselves (or at least points worth discussion). Peace out

(trying to give the impression that I'm younger than I actually am)

cmyers_uk · May 3, 2005

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Don is gone .. Long live rodbolt , achris, bondo , sea horse and all the other knowledgeable guys. Everybody has a contribution to make in a forum even trog he he. Just a tip before anymore leg it, if you dont like an individual just dont comment on their threads. Put what you think and move on. Im sure the majority of people can filter the bull. Don if you want to help people come back if not goodbye, thankyou for your assistance in the past which was gratefully received.

BigPoppaG · May 3, 2005

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Originally posted by LakeLivin: Peace out (trying to give the impression that I'm younger than I actually am)

Sense of humor....Thats what we all need.

trog100 · May 3, 2005

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there is lot of irony here.. the forum dosnt go back far enough by a few months and i have searched back for it but its gone.. but the first post i made in this forum was in one of the "don is a rude guy type threads".. my first post on this forum was in defence of don s.. i kinda said yes he is arrogant and sometimes rude but he knows his stuff and spends a lot of time here answering questions.. i said perhaps his arrogance is a price worth paying for the help he gives.. in fact i still hold this view.. don replied with a laf and said hello trog100 stick around and u might teach me some humility.. i stuck around but don never did learn the humility he mentioned.. and our relationship went downhill from there on in.. i put up with quite a few snide remarks.. insults and put-downs from don s without real reply.. all it took was for him to really **** me off and for me to go back at him in a meaningfull way and he buggered off.. if it wasnt me sooner or later it would have been somebody else.. some things just have to happen.. don will no doubt find another forum and carry on doing pretty much as he did here.. forums are addictive.. i just did a google for don s.. but it dont work.. do one on me and u will find traces going back several years.. i cant get lost if i try.. he he but in an internet kind of way.. i am "real" i have a history of being me.. trog100

BigPoppaG · May 4, 2005

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trog100 And So it began...........the trog100, Don S saga Dec 15 2004 Idles high after hard run

achris · May 4, 2005

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Proving what I have been saying. trog is offering 'advise' that is way off the mark. People who post here are looking for the right answer to problems with their boat/engine. If the 'wrong' advise is given too often, then we run the risk of people not bothering to believe anything posted here. This board has the reputation it has because the advise offered is accurate and concise, not ramblings and vague thoughts of people just 'guessing'. Sorry trog, you said it yourself, on a number of occasions, "this is a guess". Guesses don't fix engines; precise accurate troubleshooting does. This backs up what I have just said Best website

jimmythekid · May 4, 2005

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Originally posted by trog100: there is lot of irony here.. the forum dosnt go back far enough by a few months and i have searched back for it but its gone.. but the first post i made in this forum was in one of the "don is a rude guy type threads".. my first post on this forum was in defence of don s.. i kinda said yes he is arrogant and sometimes rude but he knows his stuff and spends a lot of time here answering questions..

trog: You ran a guy off that has helped me out more than once. Set me straight more than once. His contribution to this forum was huge, yours confuses people. Don S. Comeback dude, its not the same if you don't. Don't let this guy get the best of ya. I hope your just taking a little sebaticle. Its obvious people don't take his advice seriously anyways. you set me straight before, and I thank you for it now, as i did before. PS thanks for the scans. they say the empty can rattles the most. Its true.

Regal-89 · May 4, 2005

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My lord!!!! Would you like it if someone kept walking over your grand-fathers grave? Stop talkin about DonS and let it be....he is where HE WANTS TO BE, and move on to a different thread..... It's getting old now!

BillP · May 4, 2005

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Originally posted by achris: Proving what I have been saying. trog is offering 'advise' that is way off the mark. People who post here are looking for the right answer to problems with their boat/engine. If the 'wrong' advise is given too often, then we run the risk of people not bothering to believe anything posted here. This board has the reputation it has because the advise offered is accurate and concise, not ramblings and vague thoughts of people just 'guessing'. Sorry trog, you said it yourself, on a number of occasions, "this is a guess". Guesses don't fix engines; precise accurate troubleshooting does. This backs up what I have just said Best website

If someone states their post is a "guess" or "opinion" the reader has been fully warned. I have zero problems with non professionals posting their guesses, opinions or ideas...right or wrong.

DHPMARINE · May 4, 2005

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BillP, I don't think we have to phrase our posts in any such manner,I expect the reader to have 'eyes wide open'.But I agree,I have no problem with non-professionals posting,it's entertaining.sometimes I just nod at replies,because they are just starting to understand that they do not understand.Sometimes they come out with something that is astoundingly true,and I realize I am still learning. DHP

DHPMARINE · May 4, 2005

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Oh by the way .... anyone have a link to the post that made Don S leave ? DHP

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