Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

[alden135]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

What have the Dems done to get the Minorities on their side?

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[Bondo]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

What have the Dems done to get the Minorities on their side?

It all Started in 1960 with Jack Kennedy,+ Really took Off with Lyndon Johnson,....................

It's called Welfare.............

The more Babies Moma could put out,.....
The Bigger the Check,... And the Apartment........

It Fed the Crime Wave of the 80s,...............


When will you Liberals Learn,................

It's just Not Right to give the Fish to the Poor Masses,...........

What's RIGHT,..... Is to Teach Them to Fish for Themselfs............

 

[DJ]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Pony,

You are a mod and yet you can throw your jargon around?

My moderating has nothing to do with this subject. I can't have an opinion? Mine carries no more weight than yours.

I moderate to keep the board CLEAN. I am NOT the "thought police".

If you read that I called all blue collar workers anything, into my response, I have NO idea where you are coming from. I re-read my response SEVERAL times and I never mentioned the words-Blue Collar. You, yourself, injected that into the conversation.

Did I call all Dem's underacheivers? NO!

I simply stated that Dem's tend to seek out underacheivers and apply the politics of envy. Blue v. white collar has nothing to do with acheivement.

Oddjob,

Pres. Bush has no more to do with keeping jobs in this country than you do.

Rottenray had a very valid point. Who signed NAFTA?

 

[Pony]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Hi Pony, I just want to challenge the "W did it " comment . W didnt do it. Forget it...you wouldnt believe me if I told you otherwise...Sorry about your mom. :/

I don't think "W did it" I just personaly feel that he didnt do enough to stop it. Give me some credit, I am not so deadset in my views that I can;t see both sides. I have said it a few times here................I dont support one party over another. I look at whose views are closest to mine and the issues I see as most important. At the time of the last elections, unemployment and keeping jobs here was the top of my list. I have no problem voting either way.

Pres. Bush has no more to do with keeping jobs in this country than you do.

He and his party could propose higher taxes for those that ship jobs out of the country, thus making the benifit to the company less appealing......Or lessen them for those that keep jobs in, giving companies incentie to keep work here. Just how feasable that is I dont know. Is it fair for me to blame it on Bush, probably not.............but he was in power at the time.

If you read that I called all blue collar workers anything, into my response, I have NO idea where you are coming from. I re-read my response SEVERAL times and I never mentioned the words-Blue Collar. You, yourself, injected that into the conversation.

I made the mistake here of associating the Democrats as a "blue collar" working class party........when you said "Dem's love to keep the underachievers, at their call" and "Stupidity (white) falls in there too, probably, to a greater degree.." I take that in my brain as saying that the working class is underachieving.......hence blue collar workers unerachieve and it is their fault for being in that position. I read too much into the comment, and I am sure I was somewhat blinded to what you were really saying. I didnt mean to misinterpret your words as such.

I simply stated that Dem's tend to seek out underacheivers and apply the politics of envy. Blue v. white collar has nothing to do with acheivement.

I read that slightly differently the first time through............my bad.

Thats the problem with these forum debates.........If me an you were in a bar, we wouldnt have an issue at all and a few sentances back and forth wouldve cleared up any confussion.

I do regret the mod comment.

 

[DJ]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Pony,

We're cool. You're right. Face to face is a whole nuther ball game.

I like your restorations. Nice work!

 

[roscoe]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Its because Dems. have the equal opprtunity & equal rights mindset......
Repubs. have the "I've got mine, hooray for me & @*#% everyone else" mindset.............JK

Wrong !! The Reps have an equal opportunity mindset.

The dems have an equal outcome mindset.
If you don't have what you want, the Dems will take it away from those that have it.

 

[roscoe]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Probably because most African Americans are blue collar workers.........many of which include labor unions that typically vote Democrat. The number that are becoming middle class and business owners probably can't out weigh the mass numbers of inner city blue collar working class.

I dont personaly choose a party, but my family is prolly more democrat than republican for those reasons. Although we did vote Bush the first time around..............NOT so much the second time

Pony, there are very very few union workers out there.

147 million workers in the USA.
15.4 million union members in the USA.
<11%.
Take away the police and firefighters, and the federal, state, and local government workers, and there aren't many others left.
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[roscoe]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Why do they vote for democrats?

Because the democrats have made sure they never have to be responsible.

Because its easier to be a democrat.
It requires no personal responsibility.
It requires no work.
It requires no accountability for ones actions.

All you have to do is act concerned, wring your hands, ask the gov't to fix it, vote to have a big pile of money thrown at the problem, and do whatever you want in your day to day life.

And hold your hand out.

 

[Link]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Why do they vote for democrats?

Because the democrats have made sure they never have to be responsible.

Because its easier to be a democrat.
It requires no personal responsibility.
It requires no work.
It requires no accountability for ones actions.

All you have to do is act concerned, wring your hands, ask the gov't to fix it, vote to have a big pile of money thrown at the problem, and do whatever you want in your day to day life.

And hold your hand out.

You hit the nail on the head!
Don't look at what I've done.
Listen to what I'm saying. (I will give you things) but you will never see it.

DEMONCRATES depend on minoirty votes!
And the Super rich and Unions!

 

[PW2]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Hmmm....

The real question is how can so many people, of whatever ethnicity, be Repuiblicans.

After more than a decade of ruling Congress, and almost two full terms controlling the White House, You'd think reality would at some point overwhelm the vague propaganda machine of the Repubs.

You'd think at some point the voters would quit voting against their self interest.

Perhaps, if Karl Rove's irrational fear tactics finally quit working, we may see a change in 2006.

I hope so.

 

[DTS1290]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

I'd personally say it's a mix of a whole bunch of issues.
Historically, African-Americans handed a lot of presidential races to Republicans up until FDR. After that point you can pretty much mark the drastic switch of parties taking place.
Next I'd add that like many people, they would also find themselves voting for the party that their parents and grandparents voted for.
After that I'd say that African-Americans seem to place higher value on social issues than most other things. Meaning championing equal rights and at least a minimum standard of living for all.
Then, I'd say most of the most vocal and successful African-American politicians are Democrats. I think someone mentioned a few who are running on Republican tickets but a lot of times I think they alienate themselves from their own race by thinking that simply because they are African-American that they will be embraced by that whole community without specifically addressing the issues that concern them.
Lastly, I'd comment that voter apathy among African-Americans is higher than the national average, I think this would help play for Republicans simply because I wouldnt be surprised that African-American Republicans actually go out and vote year after year.

 

[oddjob]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

LOL @ PW8)

 

[rottenray6402]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

PW2, what color is the sky in your world? It seems the dems were in control for say... 50 years or so prior to the last decade. Where are the giant strides they made during that time? Wasn't it Johnson that was going to wipe out poverty with his welfare programs? Were you this vocal about us being in Viet Nam when Johnson was president? :%

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford,, Ray-gun, & both the Wimp & the Dummy were Dems?
Hmmmmmm.......
Didn't know that.......:$

 

[PW2]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Well, Johnson's "War on poverty" was a noble effort, if nothing else. I don't fault the guy for trying.

But it does bring us to the original topic.

I am old enough to recall all the conservatives in the south openly defying the federal order to allow black school children to enter all white schools...

Blacks have achieved what they have over the objections, and often violent objections, of the conservatives---and you really wonder why they don't become Repubs? Surely you are kidding.

And one of the big issues we hear nowadays is how terrible anything associated with Affirmative Action may be.

I find it curious that somehow the only place we hear that racism no longer exists in this country is from whites.

The reality is that this society simply does not work for a significant share of the population. When you have more young black men in prison than in college, there is a problem, whatever the reason.

Now there are no easy solutions to this, for sure, and some things will likely work better than others, but if you have a choice would you back a politician that recognizes there is a problem and at least attempts some solutions and help from time to time, or would you back one that consistently attempts to block any potential solution before it is even attempted.

 

[CalicoKid]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Lots of peanuts and corn in this thread... +o(

Is a choice between two parties funded by the exact same lobbies really a choice ??

 

[rottenray6402]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

PW, I believe if you look into it you will find that many of the southerners fighting integration were democrats. Wasn't Bird high up in the KKK? I'm under no illusion that racisim doesn't exist but from my life experiences which are a lot I find more racism from blacks than from whites. As far as more young blacks in prison than college... I don't doubt that at all. I also don't feel responsible for it. When a person can recieve more income from not doing anything than from working an entry level job, human nature regardless of color, takes over. We have children raising children, 4th and 5th generation welfare recipients, and no shame in getting pregnant without being married. This is not limited to blacks by any means.
We can not artificially inject self esteem, family values, or any other human need that a person has to earn themselves. These are only learned by an individual by achievement. That is the huge flaw in the welfare system that liberals seem to not be able to see. When people are on welfare and the other programs out there they are trapped into a twilight existence. They have way to much time on their hands which contributes to crime, pregnancy, and other social woes. They recieve just enough to get by so they never have to motivate themselves to break out of the trap. There are certain individuals that have enough moxie to better themselves and achieve things but then they are ridiculed by others as "sell outs", "Toms', or what ever. That my friend is the difference between liberals who throw pennies to these people in exchange for votes and conservatives who realize you can never spend enough or give enough to elevate someones station in life or their self esteem.
If you want to see the results of all of these generations of welfare and handouts drive through any major city in the country and you can see how much the libs have "helped" the poor!

 

[PW2]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

You will note I used the term "conservative" as opposed to Republican. Many in the south were indeed democrat, until the civil rights legislation, when they switched to Republican. The party label may have changed, but the conservatism remained a constant.

And I don't feel particularly responsible for blacks not attending college either, except that it is a problem. Even Pell grants to finance college are not available to those with any sort of criminal background. This of course disproportionately affects blacks, and you can thank a republican congress for it.

There are lots of ways, some subtle, and some not so subtle, where blacks have got the short end of the stick, and they are mostly due to repubs (conservatives).

As for welfare, we had welfare reform almost a decade ago. Did they repeal it?

I don't know anyone, except for the most radical, that think that some big welfare give-away is the answer. I don't know too many people, other than conservative republicans, that deny a problem even exists.

The real answer lies somewhere in the early child education realm, and developing role models other than Michael Jordan and snoop Dog, and who knows what all.

The answer is not fighting any program like affirmative action tooth and nail, however.

At any rate, the question was asked why not more Black Republicans, and while the Black community does not all think alike, of course, the answer to the question is reasonably clear in my mind at least.

 

[JB]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

You guys are still going on eeboater's assumption that African Americans are disproportionally Democrats.

I say that is not true. I say that the percentage of middle and upper class African Americans that are democrats is about the same as middle and upper class Euro Americans, Hispanics and Asian Americans.

It is probably true that African Americans, like Hispanics, are disproportionally poor and lower in education than Euro Americans, etc., but the assumption that means that they are disproportionally democrats doesn't follow.

Poor Americans of any shade with little to basic education and economic power are disproportionally Democrats.

 

[rottenray6402]

Re: Why aren't more African-Americans Republicans?

Wow, PW2 we actually agree on a number of those points! I couldn't agree more that it has to come with education from a very young age, therein lies the catch 22 because in order for the children to be properly educated they either have to be taken away from the crack ho mom and put into "camps" which I find pretty drastic or the parents have to be involved with the education which isn't going to happen. If you are going to be on welfare and pop out children why do you need educated? I realize that I am talking the worst of the parents here but there are a lot of them out there. The parents that do care and try to get their children a better education by getting them in a Charter School are fought by the teachers union while many of the teachers in inner city schools can barely read themselves. I am not making this stuff up... it goes on in Buffalo all the time. We agree on a solution but how to accomplish it is beyond me.
Jb, I do agree with you and in my first post in this thread I said that more and more middle class blacks are switching parties.