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[Plainsman]

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Seems like a plea of temporary insanity is what is called for here. I to went through a few windows when I was young, and it wasn't to talk
I don't blame the father, he heard noises in the middle of the night and did what I think was right. What are you going to do, say "Hi there, may I ask why your naked in my daughters room?" No, your going to react with emotion.

 

[zach103]

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You guys ever hear this song??
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric....odney-Atkins/B51ABB53BC34F5EB482571BE005DA0AE

i swear he wrote it after my gf's dad.. lol


IM only 19. but i have a paintball gun in my room and one in the garage.. a bat in the main closet downstairs. and 2 in the garage.. actualy almost had to use one the other day protecting the house.. now all of a sudden these kids decide to break into our cars. . so when i hear any type of noise bat is first flashlight second(maglight ) better not break into my cars again.. im pretty sure if my gfs dad caught us like that in that situation i wouldnt have made it down the stairs.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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I'm curious to know "Where was the boys parents?" Why didn't they know where he was at,,,,especially if this had be going on for a year.

I had 2 teen girls in the house. They let their boyfriends know that dad doesn't put up with sly guys who avoid me. When guys avoid the father,,,,that means they only have one intention for your daughter. IF they had meant to be a true BF/GF, then knowing the parents would be in order.

One will not get 100% of the truth out of a teen. So how much of this story has truth in it? For the past year could mean that it has happened just a few times or every other night. That we will never know. Like Judge Judy says "How do you tell when a teen is telling a lie? ,,,,,,,When their lips are moving!"

Personally, I don't think charges should have been filed. This could or would have kept the "The father is in charge and rules the house" tradition going. His daughter is his property until she is age. He has to account for her actions, so what is wrong with clocking the fox in the hen house with a pipe? Are you going to let the fox eat your chickens and not do anything about it? Then if the farmer is right, he will cage the chicken up for awhile so the fox cannot find his way to it.

My take is that the father acted as one should and should be backed up by the authorities.

 

[gonefishie]

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My take is that the father acted as one should and should be backed up by the authorities.

But because he live in the US of A, the authorities throw him in jail instead. Anywhere else in the world, he would have been applauded.

 

[captquest]

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This scenario is not uncommon. The Father may have mistaken the naked boyfriend as an intruder possibly there to assault his daughter. We used to use a real case incident like this as an example when learning gun safety and accidental shooting scenarios. This would be a case of not identifying the target if he had been shot. I'm betting the charges will be dropped on the Father unless he absolutely knew he was her BF.

 

[salty87]

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This would be a case of not identifying the target if he had been shot. I'm betting the charges will be dropped on the Father unless he absolutely knew he was her BF.

i disagree...had he shot this intruder between the eyes, i'd say he identified and nailed him....bulls-eye

how is he going to identify someone he has never met? oh, a strange naked guy...but he's in my daughter's room....oh yeah, that's where naked guys belong in my house?

my question is, when is someone invited into your house? when your minor kids invite them in or when an adult/homeowner does? that's kind of slippery.

either way, as mentioned above, the kid was sneaking around someone's house with their daughter....he knew he was doing something wrong, just got caught doing it.

 

[avenger79]

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Once my son stabbed a drug dealer, had he died, he would have faired significantly better.
My first wife shot me. Had I died, she would have got off scot free.
Notice the trend?

yeah you come from a rough side of town.

 

[avenger79]

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i wonder was dad really scared for his princess or just enraged that for all his demanding, spying, and forbidding she still brought a boy to the house for a little "girl's gone wild" action.

just a thought, of course i have a teenage son so i probably look at this differently than many others.

 

[captquest]

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i disagree...had he shot this intruder between the eyes, i'd say he identified and nailed him....bulls-eye

how is he going to identify someone he has never met? oh, a strange naked guy...but he's in my daughter's room....oh yeah, that's where naked guys belong in my house?

my question is, when is someone invited into your house? when your minor kids invite them in or when an adult/homeowner does? that's kind of slippery.

either way, as mentioned above, the kid was sneaking around some one's house with their daughter....he knew he was doing something wrong, just got caught doing it.

My point is that shooting (or defending yourself) against an intruder that is there to harm you or some one else is justifiable. Killing your daughter's boyfriend by accident is some thing you would not want to live with. Training to make the right decisions before pulling the trigger (or swinging a pipe) may be worth while. This is why he was charged. How ever, convicing a jury that he feared for his or his daughter's life will likely set him free.
What's a naked boy doing in my teen age daughter's bedroom? Are you kidding? How about trying to determine what he is doing? does he have a weapon? Is he a threat? Will he stop and freeze at my demand? If he is obviously assaulting her or me, I will stop him immediately.

 

[SnappingTurtle]

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Anywhere else in the world, he would have been applauded.

Not in Europe.

No applauses are going to be coming from here for beating kids in the head with a steal pipe for any reason.

They would probably applauded both of them though, if he had been wearing some sort of protection, and I don't mean a crash helmet.

It is quite common here for boy friends to spend the night, or visit the girls at their home. The feeling here is if they are going to do it, and they probably will, at some time or the other, better at home than in some out of the way place where they have no one to turn to if things go bad, or just to far.

For them sex is a natural part of a young adults life. Violence is not.

We censure sex, they censure violence.

Their pregnancy rates are much much lower than ours, as are the amounts of rapes & violent attracts.

This is one of the few things I admire about the northern Europeans.

 

[jay_merrill]

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Father to daughter's brand new boyfriend upon meeting him for the first time:

"This is my baby, she is my world."

"Her curfew is 9pm on school nights, midnight on Fri & Sat nights. If you bring her home late, I'll kill you."

"There are too many car accidents involving teenagers - if I find out you are speeding or driving recklessly with her in the car, I'll kill you."

"If you talk her into cutting school with you, I'll kill you."

"If you give her alcohol, or try to get her drunk, I'll kill you."

"If you try to get her to use drugs, I'll kill you.

"If you try to have sex with her, I'll kill you slowly!

 

[captquest]

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I sure hope your daughter has good common sense Jay, so she doesn't get her new boyfriends killed. If he asks for a second date, he must be a winner. LOL

 

[Olde Pharte]

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Too bad that daddy reacted too quickly. And yes, I have a daughter, tho shes in her mid 30's now and living on her own.

Assuming the daughter wasn't screaming rape, a better reaction, would have been to just chase the boy out of the house wearing nothing. Then sit down and talked with the daughter.

 

[avenger79]

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or a masochist wanting more pain.

 

[avenger79]

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Too bad that daddy reacted too quickly. And yes, I have a daughter, tho shes in her mid 30's now and living on her own.

Assuming the daughter wasn't screaming rape, a better reaction, would have been to just chase the boy out of the house wearing nothing. Then sit down and talked with the daughter.

now that would be a story to tell for years and enjoy. remember that old boyfriend of yours....wonder what happened to him.

 

[CATransplant]

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Seems like a lot of folks consider the death penalty to be appropriate for someone for having sex with their teenaged daughter.

If that actually happened, there'd be no young guys available to serve in our military. They'd all have been shot by angry fathers.

Apparently not many dads are following through with this idea...I'm just sayin...

 

[arboldt]

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We're all missing the relevant point. The relationship to the girl is irrelevant. It's irrelevant that the kid and the daughter had been having sex for a year.

The relevant facts:

1) The homeowner heard noises, thus having justified reason to believe his home had been broken into. He had no reason to suspect someone else had been invited in.
2) He armed himself and went to investigate. He found an unidentified naked man standing in his daughter's bedroom.
3) He had no reason to suspect there was anything consensual; the first and logical assumption is that an intruder had removed his clothes and was about to rape his daughter, so immediate defensive action was warranted.

We do not know if he could determine if the naked man was armed or had any offensive capability.

Thus, I would think the inherent right to defend one's home would preempt any assault charges. However, it does not appear that justice is being served here.

One other consideration: Not sure what the state laws are where this happened, but in Michigan the age of consent is 16. So if the daughter is under 16, she is considered incapable of giving consent, and any sex under that age is considered statutory rape. There are many, many cases of BF-GF having sex, in some cases their ages are only a few months apart. But one is over age, the other underage. So there are many kids convicted of unlawful sexual conduct and permanently required to register as a sex offender just because of loving sex with their BF/GF. Just? Probably not, but that's the law. In this case, if the girl was under age, it doesn't matter if she wanted her BF to have sex with her or not.

There was a situation reported last week in the local Kalamazoo Gazette. In the middle of the night, an upper-middle-age couple heard someone going through their car(s). The car(s) are in their driveway behind their home. The man gets his handgun, for which he is properly licensed (Michigan is a shall-issue state) and confronts the intruder. The wife calls 911.

There was a struggle, and the homeowner shoots the intruder in the leg, temporarily incapacitating him. Unfortunately, as a direct result of the struggle, the homeowner suffers a heart attack and dies.

So what happened?

In some jurisdictions, the homeowner and wife would have been charged with assault. But in this case, it seems justice is being served. The intruder has been charged with manslaughter in the commission of a crime. This just happened, so I'm sure it'll be months before the case is finalized.

 

[SnappingTurtle]

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This is starting to sound a little like those counties where they strip both children, drag them into the city square naked, and stone them to death for shaming the family.

“Honor Murder” they call it.

It is usually the father, or the brothers who feel that their honor can only be restored be killing the young man, or often the couple.

We are seeing quite a bit of this now in Europe, but not from the Europeans, the families are almost entirely from the Middle East, Turkey, India, or Pakistan.

Maybe a little “Honor Murder” in America would teach these kids a good sex education lesson.

 

[witenite0560]

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In my opinion, if the Dad had subdued the kid with a fist or two and held him till the cops arrived, he'd have been better off. The pipe is considered a "lethal weapon" and the court likely sees it as undue force. Especially, once it is apparent that he was not uninvited, by the daughter.
But, that's why when my daughters had dates pick them up, I made it a point to be sharpening a hunting knife or cleaning a gun.
If you use lethal force, you have to prove that your life or someone else's was at stake.

 

[avenger79]

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We're all missing the relevant point. The relationship to the girl is irrelevant. It's irrelevant that the kid and the daughter had been having sex for a year.

This is the most relevant part of the whole equation

The relevant facts:

1) The homeowner heard noises, thus having justified reason to believe his home had been broken into. He had no reason to suspect someone else had been invited in.

kids make noise all the time, the noise was in her bedroom does he regularly go into her room with a pipe everytime she drops something. Gotta feeling he was much like most men who say if I ever catch him i'll...

2) He armed himself and went to investigate. He found an unidentified naked man standing in his daughter's bedroom.

The naked "man" was a 15 yr old boy. daughter not screaming while he's there?

3) He had no reason to suspect there was anything consensual; the first and logical assumption is that an intruder had removed his clothes and was about to rape his daughter, so immediate defensive action was warranted.


again no screaming? that might be a clue that it's consensual in some way.

We do not know if he could determine if the naked man was armed or had any offensive capability.

where do you hide a weapon when you're naked?

Thus, I would think the inherent right to defend one's home would preempt any assault charges. However, it does not appear that justice is being served here.

it's the daughter's home as well. she can invite people in.

One other consideration: Not sure what the state laws are where this happened, but in Michigan the age of consent is 16. So if the daughter is under 16, she is considered incapable of giving consent, and any sex under that age is considered statutory rape. There are many, many cases of BF-GF having sex, in some cases their ages are only a few months apart. But one is over age, the other underage. So there are many kids convicted of unlawful sexual conduct and permanently required to register as a sex offender just because of loving sex with their BF/GF. Just? Probably not, but that's the law. In this case, if the girl was under age, it doesn't matter if she wanted her BF to have sex with her or not.

both are 15 guess the daughter could get charged as well. Especially seeing as she lured the boy to her home.

just random thoughts