Wiring diagrams just are not correct

[paulmiller_98]

Guys I have a 1985 Johnson 60 Horse VRO outboard model number J60TLCDS. I found that my recifier had burned out so I decided to replace. It had also melted some of the wires so in the process of repair I found that the Clymer manual is incorrect in the wiring diagram. My father in law had a Solec (I think is the name) and it was incorrect as well. I have just about figured out which wire goes on which connection on the bus bar (the bus sits over the recitifier by the way) but I still do not have that wiring correct. Does anyone have the same engine that could maybe send me a schematic or a photo of that wiring? I would sure appreciate it.

 

[F_R]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Your motor is a 1986, not 1985. Could that be the problem?

EDIT: I have the diagram for a 1986 (not factory). I'll email it to you if you PM me your e-mail address.

 

[daselbee]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Clymer and Seloc are notorious for errors.
Look at post 121 and the next three posts on this thread...

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=457212&page=5

 

[paulmiller_98]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

F_R, tried to mesage you says your inbox is full....

 

[paulmiller_98]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Guys I have a 1985 Johnson 60 Horse VRO outboard model number J60TLCDS. I found that my recifier had burned out so I decided to replace. It had also melted some of the wires so in the process of repair I found that the Clymer manual is incorrect in the wiring diagram. My father in law had a Solec (I think is the name) and it was incorrect as well. I have just about figured out which wire goes on which connection on the bus bar (the bus sits over the recitifier by the way) but I still do not have that wiring correct. Does anyone have the same engine that could maybe send me a schematic or a photo of that wiring? I would sure appreciate it.

Could be an 86, I will have to double check but I think the diagram in the books cover both years. I do know that the diagrams are incorrect. I will try and post what I have and maybe someone could mark up the diagrams and repost. i figured someone might have the motor and could just post a picture.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

I have a seloc manual( sorry I bought it a while ago) and on the wiring pages they have a diagram listed as: 60 hp 1985 and up 70 hp, 1979 and on, 75 hp 1979 thru 1982.

so that seem to say that it shouldnt matter if it is an 85 or an 86!!

I can take some pictures and post them if you need .

what makes you think the wiring diagram is incorrect???

if you cant remember what it was before what leads you to not believe the diagram in the book?


bob

 

[F_R]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Sorry about my mail box. I cleared some stuff out, so you can try again.

I don't know if what I have is any different than what you have, without comparing.

 

[paulmiller_98]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

The main thing was the wiring colors in the diagram does not match what is on the boat. I have two purple, one yellow and blue, one yellow and grey, one grey, four red, and two yellow. Maybe one beige.... I would have to look again.

I have the boat running but I am sure it is not charging the batteries correctly, it almost stranded me this past weekend. The other thing is the tilt does not work now without the key on.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

The main thing was the wiring colors in the diagram does not match what is on the boat. I have two purple, one yellow and blue, one yellow and grey, one grey, four red, and two yellow. Maybe one beige.... I would have to look again.

I have the boat running but I am sure it is not charging the batteries correctly, it almost stranded me this past weekend. The other thing is the tilt does not work now without the key on.

I wonder if itsnt a pieces to gether motor...this diagram does not have any wire that is yellow/w blue stripe

you sure that wire isnt blue with a white stripe...as if it goes to the tnt relays???

this diagram does not show any TNT wiring


bob

 

[carholme]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Paul;

Don't know if you have this or not but it may help:

http://www.maxrules.com/fixOMCCwiringcodes.html

Gerry

 

[bob johnson]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

hope this helps a little...its the rectifier and block



bob

 

[Joe Reeves]

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[daselbee]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Now come on.....compare the yellow wires from Joe's diagram (the stator wires) to the yellows on Bob's diagram. How much more of a glaring error can there be?

Joe's is correct.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Now come on.....compare the yellow wires from Joe's diagram (the stator wires) to the yellows on Bob's diagram. How much more of a glaring error can there be?

Joe's is correct.

right off I wouldnt doubt that, he probably used the factory manual...BUT....his motor looks like it might be a 2 cylinder...the motor I posted a diagram for is a three cylinder...

the OP's model number represents a three cylinder 60 hp motor...

think that might be the difference???

bob

 

[paulmiller_98]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Now I am wondering if there might be more than one rectifier used in these applications. The one that was on the engine was burned beyond being able to tell what it was. The one that I was sold has four wires, a yellow / blue, a yellow / gray, a red, and a yellow. Which if you look is just like Joes diagram, but Joes does not show the other two red wires, and the two purple wires. It is a two cylinder, or at least it looks to me as it is. Mine is the 3 cylinder 60. Also my wiring block or bus bar, has 7 connections all of them have the metal tabs (jumpers) except the bottom two.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

as you go through this just remember it is HIGHLY possible that parts get mixed in over the years just to make stuff work..

I have a 95 and a 97 motor of the same style, and when i tried to use my rectifier-regulator from the 97 on the 95 the plugs didnt match... but the wires colors did, so i just cut the plugs off and spliced in the old one so they connected up!!

back yard mechanics can and do what they want!!!! especially when they have a bunch of motors and little cash..

I would forget Joes diagram for now...i am sure he accidentally used a 2 cylinder diagram , not knowing yours was a three cylinder.. hopefully a factory manual diagram will pop up for us to see......because I am kinda leery of my seloc manual.....

on all the motors i have now, i have FACTORY manuals....

but even they make mistakes...although I doubt the wiring diagrams would be one of them!!! highly important!!!!

you keep mentioning 2 red and 2 purple wires coming from your rect-reg??? do you ahve them coming from yours????

please elaborate on where those wires are connected now

good luck

bob

 

[daselbee]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Naw Bob, two cyl, three cyl makes no difference. The two yellow wires FROM the stator must go to the two yellows on the reg/rect. No if ands or buts. Notice on the diagram you posted, they do not. The yellows may be solid yellow, or they may have a grey or blue stripe, but they must go the the reg/rect. All engines we discuss here are like this. My 96 200 is the same way, as is a 79 140 crossflow, as is the pic from Joes post....same design, same wire colors. Your diag is from a Clymer or Seloc and is flat wrong. The two yellows FROM the stator feed the reg/rect with about 25-30vac, and the reg/rect does its thing, and outputs charging current on the big red wire to the battery. You will see that exact circuit on Joes post.

Don't point out the third yellow...I see it, and it is used for the tach. Notice the yellow/grey color stripe. The grey is for the tach, and at the term block, it is attached to a solid grey for travel up to the helm internally in the harness.

 

[daselbee]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Bob, I went back and looked at your diagram, and I notice that IF there are jumpers between screws on the terminal block, then POSSIBLY the drawing is correct. There would need to be jumpers between pins 2&3 and 4&5 if I am reading this right.
However, the mere fact that they DO NOT SHOW the jumpers makes the diagram incomplete and wrong anyway.

I am only pointing this out to show a real example to the readers regarding the accuracy of Clymer and Seloc books.

Get yourselves a factory manual. Highly recommended.

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

The diagram I uploaded is for the 1985 series. I did this as I was under the impression that the 1985 and 1986 models were identical (I didn't check). I'll dig up the 1986 (J60TLCDS) wiring diagram and post that shortly.

03/08/11 (06:36 PM) Okay, I found that the 1985 60hp is a two cylinder model whereas the 1986 model is a three cylinder model. I deleted the 1985 wiring graphic and have inserted the 1986 graphic. It may be hard to read as there's quite a bit there. If you want the full size wiring diagram, contact me via a private message (just click on my name at the left), send me your email address and I'll upload it to you.

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: Wiring diagrams just are not correct

Bump^ Edit to post #12 and post #19