Wisconsin---You Guys [I]Really[/I] Need a New Governor!

dogsdad

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Originally posted by treedancer:<br /> Dogsdad the lady is a resident of East St.Louis that is in the state of Illinois.
Oooops. You are correct! I did not read carefully enough. She is in violation of an unconstitutional law, isn't she?<br /><br />Illinois is in serious need of a complete makeover, from head to foot!
 

Haut Medoc

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dogsdad <br />Member # 30431
Huh?<br /><br />But he's right...our teams did suck this year! I have no doubt that JK believes what he says---I only doubt the validity of it. <br />
Dogsdad, I guess for me personally, I would be afraid that I might use such a weapon when it really wasn't necessary......I don't trust myself enough to be sure that I would over react to a perceived threat......<br />So I guess that means that I don't trust your judgement in that situation either :) :) <br />Washington has a concealed/carry law, but you cannot posess a firearm in a bar, maybe under those circumstances it might be O.K., but I just don't see a real need for it....<br />There is a certain someone who will attack anything I say, 'cuz he got flamed a while back.... :p <br />Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, I say ;) .....JK
 

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I'm confused.<br /><br />I thought (and was taught) that the second amendment to your constitution gave every American the right to "bear arms", somthing to do with state militia.<br /><br />How is it that individual states can have different laws regarding something that is written in the constitution?
 

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You have the right to bear arms everywhere in the U.S. The right to actually carry one on the street varies from state to state....JK
 

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The problem is that when they drafted the second amendment we only had muzzle loaders ;) <br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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JK, your concerns are understandable and not unreasonable, but I am certain you and I both can be relied upon to carry a weapon responsibly. I give you credit for being equitable in your mistrust, though.
 

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Originally posted by tommays:<br /> The problem is that when they drafted the second amendment we only had muzzle loaders ;) <br /><br /><br />tommays
Another problem is that when they drafted the First Amendment we only had ink and quill. ;)
 

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Haut, my post above was not an attack. You should be able to tell the difference, since you are so smart. As far as getting flamed, uuh, I am confused.<br />I simply pointed out one of your other views to help dogsdad realize that you meant what you typed. Had you posted this with your response to the FL woman story, there would have been no need fore him to question you:<br /><br /> [QUOTEDogsdad, I guess for me personally, I would be afraid that I might use such a weapon when it really wasn't necessary......I don't trust myself enough to be sure that I would over react to a perceived threat......<br />So I guess that means that I don't trust your judgement in that situation either <br />Washington has a concealed/carry law, but you cannot posess a firearm in a bar, maybe under those circumstances it might be O.K., but I just don't see a real need for it....] [/quote]
 

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<br />But he's right...our teams did suck this year! I have no doubt that JK believes what he says---I only doubt the validity of it.<br />
You are right to doubt the validity. :D
 

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Well maybe I don't trust some of you guys not to mow down a bunch of pedestrians in your car. You could kill a lot more people that way.
 

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You also have to realize that in my case i lived down south till i was 12 and we were taught to shoot safely at very young age.<br /><br />Let me tell you was it different when we moved here even in 1968 there was so much less hunting most people never even got near a gun let alone had any real time useing one in a safe way.<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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Originally posted by RPJS:<br /> I'm confused.<br /><br />I thought (and was taught) that the second amendment to your constitution gave every American the right to "bear arms", somthing to do with state militia.<br /><br />How is it that individual states can have different laws regarding something that is written in the constitution?
Gun control laws, which most certainly are in violation of the Second Amendment, became fashionable and got a toehold in the USA right after the conclusion of the War of Northern Aggression. The laws came onto the books as measures to attempt to prevent blacks from owning firearms. Take note that at that time, the Southern states were under what amounts to martial law administered by scalawags and carpetbaggers from the North.<br /><br />The Second Amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, will not be infringed. Notice the syntax: "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms..."<br /><br />The "well regulated militia" phrase is referring to a militia that is well trained, not regulated in the sense that proponents of government oversight promote. Another use of the term "regulate," as it realtes to firearms, refers to the sights of a weapon. When adjusted properly, they are "regulated" correctly. And when a weapon is well-pointed at a target, it is said that the sights are "trained" on the target.<br /><br />The entire Constitution is about the limitations to be placed upon government. It does not grant rights to the people, those are God-given. The Bill of Rights was adopted to appease certain forces at the Constitutional convention who refused to ratify the document without a Bill of Rights. Those in opposition did oppose the Bill of Rights because of their concern that any right not specifically mentioned in the first ten Amendments might be assumed to be non-existent.<br /><br />One last point for you...the "Militia" refrred to in the Second Amendment is NOT the National Gaurd or any organized force. It is simply the entire collection of all able-bodied males between the ages of 17 and (I think) 44.<br /><br />Hope this clears it up for you.
 

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Originally posted by tommays:<br /> i have no problem with guns BUT really dont want everybody on Long Island packing one.<br /><br /><br />There would be way to many shootings during rush hour :eek: <br /><br />tommays
If everyone carried, there wouldn't be a rush hour. ;)
 

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Originally posted by tommays:<br /> You also have to realize that in my case i lived down south till i was 12 and we were taught to shoot safely at very young age.<br /><br />Let me tell you was it different when we moved here even in 1968 there was so much less hunting most people never even got near a gun let alone had any real time useing one in a safe way.<br /><br /><br />tommays
I now understand your point of view. You'd definitely want some education to take place. In Texas, a ceratin amount of training is required in order to get the permit. I'm sure such requirements are not at all uncommon, which is probably a part of the reason the concealed carry programs have succeeded in all 38 states where they have been enacted.<br /><br />It's unfortunate that some people just can't get past their emotional responses to the idea of an armed citizenry. That has unnecessarily cost the lives of a lot of innocent people who were unable to defend themselves from attack and emboldened the criminal element.
 

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br /> Washington has a concealed/carry law, but you cannot posess a firearm in a bar
And that's where you really need one.
 

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Isn't there a small town somewhere in the South (Georgia?) where it's against the law NOT to carry a gun. I thought I heard this on the news a while back. Their crime rate was zero, they said.<br /><br /><br />spots
 

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Here's the story on the town in Georgia, CN. This info is often contrasted to Morton Grove, Illinois, where draconian gun control measures were enacted at about the same time---with predictably disastrous results. I'll see if I can find the Morton Grove data later...<br /><br />Data from 1999:<br /><br /> * Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.15<br /><br />* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed.16<br /><br />* Nationwide. Statistical comparisons with other countries show that burglars in the United States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign counterparts who live in countries where fewer civilians own firearms. Consider the following rates showing how often a homeowner is present when a burglar strikes:<br /><br /> * Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great Britain, Canada and Netherlands: 45% (average of the three countries); and, <br /><br /> * Homeowner occupancy rate in the United States: 12.7%.17 <br /><br /><br />15. Gary Kleck, "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force," Social Problems 35 (February 1988):15.<br />16. Compare Kleck, "Crime Control," at 15, and Chief Dwaine L. Wilson, City of Kennesaw Police Department, "Month to Month Statistics: 1991." (Residential burglary rates from 1981-1991 are based on statistics for the months of March - October.)<br />17. Kleck, Point Blank, at 140.
 

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The 2 flip flopper legislators that changed their minds and votes were receiving death threats after their flopping. What most people don't realize is that "Diamond Jim" Boyle -Governator of this progressive state issued the first death threat to these weasels. This incumbent protection plan threat was enough for these ball less wonders.
 

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It's a sad day when the will of the people and the legislators they have elected are overidden by the minorty.<br /><br />
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