Won it in a poker game - sort of...

[Riverboat_Mickey]

Re: Won it in a poker game - sort of...

By any chance could that be considered a verbal contract to pay the said debt ??.
You have witnesses to the debt.

No... this is very clearly a gambling debt!

When it comes to the law helping you ... forget it when playing illegal poker.

This may not be an illegal poker game! In many areas, playing poker is perfectly legal regardless of stakes! Playing poker is not neccesaarily illegal!

 

[Summer Fun]

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Found this on gambling at home in Missouri. .
So you can kiss that boat good bye.

USA - Missouri Home Poker Law . In the state of Missouri, home poker games are illegal by omission. State law provides parameters for all legal forms of gambling, leaving all other forms as criminal activity. Unlawful forms of gambling are considered a class C misdemeanor in Missouri, unless the player qualifies, under law, as a ?professional gambler?, in which case it is moved to a class D misdemeanor.

 

[cribber]

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Don't play if you can't pay... I've seen people lose cars and motorcycles in card games. Some people don't take too kindly to someone who makes a bet and then doesn't pay up when they lose.

 

[Tim Frank]

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Absolutely, at this point I think everyone is ready to say no more guests.

The Commissioner of your poker league should suspend the guy who brought the defaulter for at least 4 games.

 

[jasoutside]

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I am really sorry if I missed it in here somewhere but....

What sort of rig are we talking about anyway??? (just for fun)

And no. In my opinion it has no bearing on the bet, the winning hand and more importantly the collection!

 

[JaSla74]

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Got a pic of the boat? I'd like to see the 4k

 

[Bob_VT]

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Be sure to print this entire thread out and bring it along to the game..... maybe get the Welcher's address and mail it to him.....

Corrected the spelling!!!

 

[Tim Frank]

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Be sure to print this entire thread out and bring it along to the game..... maybe get the welsher's address and mail it to him.....

Errrrr, Bob, I've never pointed out anyone's choice of spelling in here, but speaking on behalf of those of us who have some Welsh heritage, you have too many "s's" in "welshers" and not enough "c's"....

 

[Bob_VT]

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Errrrr, Bob, I've never pointed out anyone's choice of spelling in here, but speaking on behalf of those of us who have some Welsh heritage, you have too many "s's" in "welshers" and not enough "c's"....

Welsher Welcher darn spell checker just picks up misspelled words ....... not wrong words....... :redface: I do stand corrected! With that point cleared up ....... Tim do you pay your gambling debts .... just wondering???

 

[Tim Frank]

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Welsher Welcher darn spell checker just picks up misspelled words ....... not wrong words....... :redface: I do stand corrected! With that point cleared up ....... Tim do you pay your gambling debts .... just wondering???

I don't gamble, but if I did, I'd bet you $50- that I'd settle my debts...

I think there is more to this story than just a simple wager and whether someone is welching on a bet. If this is just a regular rotating poker night with "the boys", it got way out of hand if someone is staking a $4000- boat to cover a raise in one pot. Cooler heads did not prevail...and certainly not sober second thought...
The police report might have read "alcohol is believed to have been involved...."

 

[skargo]

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Errrrr, Bob, I've never pointed out anyone's choice of spelling in here, but speaking on behalf of those of us who have some Welsh heritage, you have too many "s's" in "welshers" and not enough "c's"....

hey at least he didn't plagiarize it!

 

[Bumpus7]

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He wasn't really betting the boat for real, he was just bluffing.

Take your case to the small claims court, and file a complaint, and let us know what the out come is.
.

 

[lowkee]

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I don't gamble, but if I did, I'd bet you $50- that I'd settle my debts...

I think there is more to this story than just a simple wager and whether someone is welching on a bet. If this is just a regular rotating poker night with "the boys", it got way out of hand if someone is staking a $4000- boat to cover a raise in one pot. Cooler heads did not prevail...and certainly not sober second thought...
The police report might have read "alcohol is believed to have been involved...."

$4K isn't a lot of money to everybody. As my wife would say, "Think outside your poverty box". I saw no posts indicating these guys were betting their welfare checks.

 

[chris75h]

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You are way off base. We as a group decide what the stakes will be. When he wanted to toss the keys in everyone agreed it was worth his bet and everyone at the table could cover a like amount. This isn't about the rules we set, its about a low life weltching Bas......

How am I way off base? When you overbet him and he didnt have the money did he have the option of showdown at that point or did he have to match your bet. If he had to match your bet what would stop you and all your friends from repopping the bet to your deed to your house? If he couldnt match that would he still have the option to showdown or does he have to put his house on the table? What would have happened if he was the lone person against the agreement? Would he have lost all his money in the pot?

I dont mean to sound unsupportive because I hate people who welch on bets and I feel for you but my point is why not play for table stakes? Why allow someone to put "thier house" on the table and bet someone out of the pot? Again I just dont see why anyone would sit at a table where they knew they were shortstacked in life and could never match any bet "the table" agreed on.

Chris

 

[Riverboat_Mickey]

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How am I way off base? When you overbet him and he didnt have the money did he have the option of showdown at that point or did he have to match your bet. If he had to match your bet what would stop you and all your friends from repopping the bet to your deed to your house? If he couldnt match that would he still have the option to showdown or does he have to put his house on the table? What would have happened if he was the lone person against the agreement? Would he have lost all his money in the pot?

I dont mean to sound unsupportive because I hate people who welch on bets and I feel for you but my point is why not play for table stakes? Why allow someone to put "thier house" on the table and bet someone out of the pot? Again I just dont see why anyone would sit at a table where they knew they were shortstacked in life and could never match any bet "the table" agreed on.

Chris

I think I read earlier that the welcher was the one raising/betting his boat... but they definately were not playing table stakes. You can't reach into your pocket for more money in the middle of a hand unless your playing by some silly "Mickey Mouse House" rules!

Imagine if the welcher trys to bet his boat, and the OP has a weak hand instead of the full house he does? Does he say "Sorry, you can't add money in the middle of a hand" then, but because he has a good hand, he allows the bet and calls!

I'm not saying this happened... Just pointing out what happens when you don't have clear, well defined, well thought out rules... that EVERYONE knows!

 

[Tim Frank]

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$4K isn't a lot of money to everybody. As my wife would say, "Think outside your poverty box". I saw no posts indicating these guys were betting their welfare checks.

I didn't mention anything about welfare cheques, just suggested that this got out of hand.
Letting a stranger place that kind of a bet was at least a contributing factor, and if this was not an unusual situation, I am surprised it took so long to have an "event".
Most places that allow stakes to get to that level would look to the person who brought the guest to make good on the debt.

 

[Bumpus7]

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No... this is very clearly a gambling debt!



This may not be an illegal poker game! In many areas, playing poker is perfectly legal regardless of stakes! Playing poker is not neccesaarily illegal!

It may help if you would go back and read all of his post that he made,
because he said the law could not help him in his state.
.

 

[Riverboat_Mickey]

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It may help if you would go back and read all of his post that he made,
because he said the law could not help him in his state.
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The law could not help him in any state. Gambling debts are unenforcable. I was responding to a poster that mentioned trying to sell this as verbal contract! Not going to work!

The second reply was to someone that mentioned illegal poker. It may/may not have been depending on where it took place and other circumstances! This was latter clarified for his state by someone else!

 

[lowkee]

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I don't understand the arguments regarding the rules of a hand. When I played poker for money, the table rules were allowed to be changed on a hand by hand basis. If everyone agrees to a new rule, it's a new rule. There were times one person would be low on chips, but the other 5+ would have plenty left. In order to prevent tons of little 2 chip "all-ins" from limiting the rest of the table, we allowed "over bets", which would be above and beyond the "all-in" total. If the all-in won the hand, he would collect an amount equal to his all-in bet and everyone would keep their over-bets, but if the all-in lost, the over-bets were won as well. We considered it table stakes without the lame limit of "the poorest guy determines the highest bet", which I consider unfair to friends who didn't have the same wealth and boring to those who did.

 

[Riverboat_Mickey]

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I don't understand the arguments regarding the rules of a hand. When I played poker for money, the table rules were allowed to be changed on a hand by hand basis. If everyone agrees to a new rule, it's a new rule. There were times one person would be low on chips, but the other 5+ would have plenty left. In order to prevent tons of little 2 chip "all-ins" from limiting the rest of the table, we allowed "over bets", which would be above and beyond the "all-in" total. If the all-in won the hand, he would collect an amount equal to his all-in bet and everyone would keep their over-bets, but if the all-in lost, the over-bets were won as well. We considered it table stakes without the lame limit of "the poorest guy determines the highest bet", which I consider unfair to friends who didn't have the same wealth and boring to those who did.

This is what "table stakes" is. The low stack can put in all his money, and his right to the pot is protected! Any additional betting amongst the others would continue normally and be collected into a side pot! But you still can't pull out money in the middle of a hand, which is what happened!