WOT on 4.3 merc

QC

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Re: WOT on 4.3 merc

No, the relationship between diameter and pitch is complex, and often misunderstood. Generally speaking you should ignore it. However, larger, slower boats typically do well with larger diameter wheels to handle the load. This is what the Bravo 2 was primarily about prior to Bravo 3 introduction.

You need to confirm your data!! There is absolutely something amiss. Either the gear ratio, pitch, speed or RPM is wrong. Maybe more than one . . . Making any decisions before these things are clear is stupid unless somebody can loan you props. Still won't mean a lot because you won't know what data is off with the "test" wheels.

Personally . . . I still think tachs and here's why. 39 MPH from 380 total hp (still unconfirmed as well) is actually pretty dang good. Especially with a loaded boat, and I am guessing you had people and stuff and fuel and water and people and ice and beer and tools and stuff that wasn't on any test boats. This boat at 39 MPH and only 4000 RPM IMHO would not plane. Basically, if the data was right, she would be too high geared (prop + gear ratio), or running too poorly to plane. The 39 MPH tells me they're making power. But if the 4000 RPM was right you'd be here complaining that she wouldn't plane, not about top speed.
 

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You mentioned a concern about the exhaust. If it is slightly restricted the engines would perform at their optimum till they reached higher rpm where the lack of free flowing gas would start bogging them down loosing power hence low WOT but good everything else. I think it is the engines and not the prop problem.
 

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Would 14.25 x 21p result in about the same performance? Mine are 15.25 x 19p

Just $.02

The 1" diameter will see a negligible increase in RPM, where the 2" rise in pitch will lower rpm between 300-400.

Confident you will reduce your rpms if you take that 21P. Your top speed and hole-shot will drop off and suffer.
 

Robbabob

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How are you confirming the tachs are right? Make sure they are not set on 8. Having a 6 cyl with tach setting of 8 will show lower than actual rpm, right?

For a long time, my tach would jump to 6 cyl setting and show my rpm was higher than actual.

Other than brainstorming input, I am at a loss for the engine items/performance.
 

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Re: WOT on 4.3 merc

OMG you guys!!!! STOP!!! The f'ng data is WRONG!!!!

http://destinsharks.com/gallery2/v/excruise/regal/2760/regal_2760_performance.JPG.html

And here's a flipping '01 with Bravo 3s. 190s and magically . . . 38 - 39 MPH

Ayuh,... 65 posts over 2 pages, 'n the OP is Yet to verify the data,..??

The 1" diameter will see a negligible increase in RPM, where the 2" rise in pitch will lower rpm between 300-400.

As noted above, Diameter is determined by BLADE DESIGN, 'n has little to Nothing to do with the resulting rpms...



edit, benchmark, 36,000 posts...
 

20002760

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Tachs verified accurate for 3rd time. The only thing I haven't checked is the gear ratio and exhaust. I havent found anyone that can get to it in the next 3-4 weeks. Also the boat struggles to plane.
 

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Tachs verified accurate for 3rd time.
Sorry, but had to be perfect. There's still something wrong with the data, but if the tachs are right you can move forward at least. But I caution, I don't think much more than 40 MPH is in the cards . . .

Also the boat struggles to plane.
Seems contradictory with this:

It doesn't seem sluggish
And that is one of the reasons I focused on the tachs. Whenever I see low WOT RPM and there is no planing performance complaint I am suspect of the data. Add in that your slip percentage is "too good" and something is f'd up.

The only thing I haven't checked is the gear ratio
Since the tachs are right, then you should prop down. Like early posts this assumes EVERYTHING else is right, but the gear ratio doesn't matter a whole lot at this point other than to confirm data. 1.81s, as Don noted, still leads me to believe these are 190s and she's just not going to be much faster with 380 total HP. Try some 17s and see what happens is all I can suggest.
 

20002760

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Re: WOT on 4.3 merc

The reason for the discrepancy between posts is the load. So far its only been me and my wife and low end hasn't seemed sluggish. The weekend of the 4th I had 4 people and had to move them to the front.
 

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Re: WOT on 4.3 merc

Met 2 other owners with twin 190's. They are seeing 45 mph at WOT. They are running 14.25 x 17p. I am currently running 15.25 x 19p (4400rpm in saltwater). I am looking at the stileto 14.25 x 17p. What are your opinions on stileto's?
 

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What's their RPM at 45 MPH?
 

20002760

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4800. I've heard of about 6 differents props on these boats. After elimination everything else, this makes sense.
 

QC

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With 1.81 ratio and 17s that's negative 5% slip. Still something weird.
 

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Re: WOT on 4.3 merc

Met 2 other owners with twin 190's. They are seeing 45 mph at WOT. They are running 14.25 x 17p. I am currently running 15.25 x 19p (4400rpm in saltwater). I am looking at the stileto 14.25 x 17p. What are your opinions on stileto's?

i think the owners sell you fairy tales. my evinrude outboard with ratio 1.86:1 and a 14.5 x 20p turns 4900-5000 rpm to reach 40-42 mph (22 ft cabin boat ) with a 17 pitch i do not see a chance for 45 mph .
 

20002760

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Re: WOT on 4.3 merc

Regals original specs confirm the speed. I agree with everyone here. None of it makes sense. Going to scuttle it this weekend.
 

QC

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Looks completely unscuttled and no bigger than a beer can . . .
 
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