Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

chicknwing

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

Why not actually go around to all of the marinas and other places that work on boats. As has been said above, a good attitude will get you in where experience won't. Once you get your foot in the door, maybe at a low wage, and show a willingness to work, you may get on the job training or the boss may actually send you to a school and pay for all or part of it.

My best friend did just this, He quit driving trucks applied to the local boat shop and his attitude got him the job. 6 years later he is a 5 star certified Yamaha mechanic, he has been to school for Tohatsu, Suzuki, and several others. Big time money to be made. Best thing is he got all the training FREE! As stated previously though you may have to start with a low wage. I think my buddy started at 7 an hour, hes making over 12 now.

You stated in an earlier post your desire to work on boats. My suggestion to you is to go after it with the attitude of I am gonna get this job! Good Luck...

TC

P.S. lots of bending, lifting, pulling, pushing, and twisting involved in most any job!
 

wildmaninal

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It sounds like you are going to have to leave your area for the time being. That does mean something like flipping burgers while getting into a better job. It may take a year of going to work, coming home, working a few hours at finding another job or attending classes, eating going to sleep and repeating the same schedule. You might even have to take two dead end jobs for a short while to pay the rent and gas. Food stamps will work to stretch your budget while you get on your feet.

It does stink, but it will only be temporary. I have done it twice now. Once due to divorce and once due to failing health. My grandad got his world turned upside down in WWII when because of his national origin he was sent to the concentration camps here in the States and he lost his job, his home and his tools, After the war he recovered by working two jobs initially. Then in mid life his shop was burned out due top a careless workman. Finally, in his 70s he had to start all over because cancer wiped out all of his savings and property. When he died twenty some years later, his house was paid off and his modest collection of upholstery tools was free and clear. Not bad for a man that supported a family of twelve in his early years.

No one likes to start over in a strange town in a strange state, but you will have to go where the jobs are. Competing against able bodies in a local economy that does not need workers is a losing proposition.

I worked at a homeless shelter for a while as a live in house parent. I took the job because it provided a room, three squares a day and a chance to look for work when I had just moved into town. It was minimum wage. The statistics I learned there opened my eyes to why a dead end job can be so valuable. If you are out of work for 6 weeks, the chance of getting a job, any job, in the next 6 months is only 50%. If you are out of a job for 1 year then the chance is 30%. If you have a job of any description, then the chance of upgrading to another job in the next 6 months is over 90%. That is the reason they are called entry level jobs. No employer expects to keep employees long at this level of job.

If you cannot find work right now, then immeadiately go volunteer some time at a local charity. The Salvation Army, the After School Program, your church, whatever. This shows prospective employers that you are reliable and self motivated. Is it fair? No. Is it reality? Yes.

If you go to church, you might have your pastor contact a fellow church in a major town in your state. They might find someone that will put you up for 6 months or so while you are working at a new job or going to school. If you belong to a fraternal organization, check out the fellows there as they might be able to work the same deal for you.

Keep trying and work every angle that is presented to you, whether you like it or not. When you interview for a dead end job, don't tell them that you may not be able to take it for long. They will expect that, but will pass you by if you mention the longevity as they will worry that you might be setting them up for a baseless workman's compensation suit or discrimination suit. It is a common thing anymore and it makes it harder for honest workers to get employed.

Good luck.

I hear ya man. I may half to leave the area, I have taken this in to consideration. What gets me is that another town located a few miles north of us Fort Payne, AL (home of the country group Alabama) that town use to advertise jobs left and right a few years ago. I haven't seen a job openning in that area in a while.

Your uncle was wasting his time by pulling an axle from his truck. Aside form certain situations involving passenger buses and hazmat, the basic standard for what reuires a CDL or not, is the combined gross vehicle weight rating for which the truck is placarded. That means that whatever rating the manufacturer assigned when it was built, and put on the "Sticker" in the door, is the operative number. If that number is 26,001 pounds or more and the vehicle is in commercial service, the driver must have a CDL. For a dump truck, the driver would often have a Class B CDL but, if a trailer rated at 10,001 pounds or more is attached, he or she must have a Class A license.

While all of this is sort of an aside from the original question that you posed, in a way its really not. I will have to do the homework to see if your prospective employer is fudging on the rules by saying that CDLs are not required, but I suspect that he/she is. If so, you would have to pass a physical to qualify for and maintain a CDL. Given the extent of your disability, a medical examiner might not pass you.


PS: I just looked this up, which I should have done in the first place. I was wrong - you don't have to have the CDL if the driving is not on a public road. One side note, however, is that in at least one state (California) there doesn't seem to be an exemption for private property. Whether that is true of others, I don't know. It is also sort of interesting because of the fact that the rules are set by the Feds. I guess the deal is that states may enact rules in excess of the Federal rules.

I know he cut the 2nd axle off, and the reason I was told was because he doesn't have a CDL, no matter he hasn't been logging with that Ford F600 in a while. Not saying my uncle was right or wrong when doing that I don't know. I recall hearing that they were trying to make 3/4ton truck owners put numbers on there trucks, I don't know if this is true or if that fell through or if it is still in the works.

My best friend did just this, He quit driving trucks applied to the local boat shop and his attitude got him the job. 6 years later he is a 5 star certified Yamaha mechanic, he has been to school for Tohatsu, Suzuki, and several others. Big time money to be made. Best thing is he got all the training FREE! As stated previously though you may have to start with a low wage. I think my buddy started at 7 an hour, hes making over 12 now.

You stated in an earlier post your desire to work on boats. My suggestion to you is to go after it with the attitude of I am gonna get this job! Good Luck...

TC

P.S. lots of bending, lifting, pulling, pushing, and twisting involved in most any job!

I would love to work on small engines for a living, outboard engines, maybe even motorcycles etc etc. Personally (not on a job) I have experience fixing up and selling motorcycles and ATVs, I am gaining experience buying and fixing up boat motors which I have only fixed up and sold 1 and sold another not running, advertising another small one as I type. I am also thinking about going into selling Amzoil products for a side income. I have mentioned on older post that I have always wanted to start a motorcycle and ATV salvage yard. I done pretty good when I advertised ATV parts and whole running bikes locally, but it was just a slow hit and miss income I wouldn't advertise all the time. Now I am advertising my remaining motorcycle and ATV parts on Ebay, also fixing to advertise new old stock boat parts that I have, on ebay.
 

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

Look, I take no prisoners on this topic.
I employ people.
If you want a better life, then there is only one solution.
You have to get yourself skills that the employers have to have, and that means you have to get yourself a proper trade, and certified in that trade.
If you live in the developed world, (which you do) then there are only 2 things that will hold you back:

1. is your attitude.
2. if you are mentally retarted (and you don't sound that).

To get those skills you have to get yourself educated, and that means going without and getting yourself trained.

From this thread, I gather you are an unskilled labourer and you are in this position because you didn't take a more sensible path when you went to school.
Now you may argue that you did, but reality tells me you don't have any trade that the community wants and values.

If you don't do this, my guess is you are looking down the barrel of poverty for the rest of your life, and if you continue this way, the one skill you will develop is finding excuses for your situation....it goes with the territory.

Think about this too. Some little Asian family will turn up in your country tomorrow, and they probably won't even have a spare pair of underpants between them....they have nothing, not even the language.
Their grandkids, (yet to be born) will probably be giving you a heart by-pass in 40yrs time, and you may be destitute struggling from day to day.

If you want out of this trap, then stop talking about it and start planing out an escape route...........education leading to a proper qualified trade.

When you tell us that is the direction you are taking, you will get a lot of help from the members of this board....but you are the one that has to do it.

If you think things are different down here....forget it.

Up to you??

Cheers
Phillip
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

I was thinking about your situation while out fishing today and something occurred to me - we have been talking about dump truck driving over rough terrain, but haven't thought about over the road driving.

Modern power units (tractor trailer type trucks) don't need to be clutched between gears. If you practice and develop the necessary skill, you can "float" the gears, and shift without touching the clutch pedal. The only time you use the clutch is to start and stop. These trucks also have cruise control in them so you wouldn't even have to amintain throttle pedal pressure for long periods of time. So, if you could pass a CDL physical, and you think you might like over-the-road driving, it might not be so crazy to consider going to truck driving school.

The only thing that you will have to consider, which I certainly can't tell from my vantage point, is whether your foot/ankle are stable enough to take the intermittant use of them, that it would require to drive a rig around town on either end of the long haul portion. If you can drive a regular automobile for long periods of time without difficulty, perhaps you could.

I'm not saying this is the best route but perhaps it is something to consider.
 

dave11

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I believe Kiwi Phil has a firm grip on your problem. It is good advise from an employer's point of view. Take his advise. He has also told you what life will be like otherwise.
 

SgtMaj

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I have to second Kiwi's comments about education... all except for the one about getting help from the members here... I don't ever recall any of you helping me out with my accounting homework! :D

Seriously though, I just had a kid last year, have the boat project going, etc... still I'm going to school full time + to earn my MBA because no matter how difficult it is, I know life won't get any better for me until I get that little paper that says my time is worth more.

You've got a great living situation to go back to school and get a degree. You should really take advantage of that.
 

arboldt

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

I would love to work on small engines for a living, outboard engines, maybe even motorcycles etc etc. Personally (not on a job) I have experience fixing up and selling motorcycles and ATVs, I am gaining experience buying and fixing up boat motors which I have only fixed up and sold 1 and sold another not running, advertising another small one as I type. ... I have mentioned on older post that I have always wanted to start a motorcycle and ATV salvage yard. I done pretty good when I advertised ATV parts and whole running bikes locally, but it was just a slow hit and miss income I wouldn't advertise all the time. Now I am advertising my remaining motorcycle and ATV parts on Ebay, also fixing to advertise new old stock boat parts that I have, on ebay.

You've gotten a lot of excellent advice and encouragement. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of your responses up to now have been excuses or pointing to problems, and we've been trying to get you to look beyond that.

Now you've indicated (as I've quoted) some possibilities. OK, you want to work on small engines, marine engines, and/or motorcycles. Now we're getting somewhere!

What will it take for you to turn that into a career? How many motorcycle, marine, or small engine (yard machines, etc) repair places are within a commutable distance from you? I bet there's quite a few even your town has had hard times economically. Have you applied to any of these places? Told the owner / manager how you've fixed up engines and resold them for a profit?

What would it take for you to set up your own business in one of these lines? Are you willing to work hard 10 hours a day, 6 days a week to get that business going?

What we're trying to say is focus on what you *can* do -- and do it.

Over the years we've had to move many times for jobs (in my former career, 9 different cities in 17 years). Did I like it? Absolutely not. Did I have to do it? Yes.

Our cottage is in the poorest county in Michigan (Lake County). Yet a good small engine / boat / motorcycle mechanic can get a job or set up a business very quickly. Yesterday I just heard about a good marine mechanic for the first time, and I'm sure he'll get busines from me.
 

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

My thoughts

As someone with two handicaped brothers i can assure you that even with all the laws MANY people go out of there way to NOT hire them


That being said you see the burger flipper as a dead end BUT all the companys of that type advance from within to fill higher positions up to your personal limits and many people have turned it into a decent job

As a trade school grad class of 1974 i spent a LONG time chiping paint before i was turning wrenches ;) and have risen well above that point BUT should my curent job go bust it would be a LONG fall to find any work again
 

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

I just looked and I see the population of Gadsden is only 40,000+. You say one company laid off 450 people (about 10% of the popluation). I can see why it would be hard to find a job.

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450 people out of 40,000 is about 1.11%, not 10%. Just wanted to clarify that. :)
 

wildmaninal

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My thoughts

As someone with two handicaped brothers i can assure you that even with all the laws MANY people go out of there way to NOT hire them

Amen. As I said earlier, "would you hire a man with a hanicap" or something like that. I have personally fealt that my handicap has kept me from getting a job.

You've gotten a lot of excellent advice and encouragement. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of your responses up to now have been excuses or pointing to problems, and we've been trying to get you to look beyond that.

I'm sorry you feel that way, I'm just telling the god's honest truth. It gets to me so bad to where I don't even want to get out of the car when taking my mother to a store, so I don't get out and don't go in even though I park in the handi cap spot.

Now you've indicated (as I've quoted) some possibilities. OK, you want to work on small engines, marine engines, and/or motorcycles. Now we're getting somewhere!

What will it take for you to turn that into a career? How many motorcycle, marine, or small engine (yard machines, etc) repair places are within a commutable distance from you? I bet there's quite a few even your town has had hard times economically. Have you applied to any of these places? Told the owner / manager how you've fixed up engines and resold them for a profit?

Been there done that with a couple. There are 2 marinas about 30 minutes away, 2 small owner operator boat repair businesses about the same distance as the marinas and same area. As for cycle shops we have 2 well known big time dealers, I only know of 1 owner operator bike repair business.

What would it take for you to set up your own business in one of these lines? Are you willing to work hard 10 hours a day, 6 days a week to get that business going?

It would take a maricle, but I would like to have my own business.
 

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450 people out of 40,000 is about 1.11%, not 10%. Just wanted to clarify that. :)


Sorry about that Mark. You are absolutely right! I must have been using the new math or feeling the affects of an adult beverage or two.
 

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Lets start with the basics can you post a copy of your resume maybe we can help word it better make it stand out. I can do a pretty good resume. Are there any computer jobs in Gadsen? Mine is totally non physical. Maybe a computer repair shop that you can begin at and work your way up. What about Best Buy or Circuit City type place. Do you call back after you drop off a resume? If you interview get the persons business card and send them a quick simple thank you card. Anything you can do to stand out and make yourself look is good. What do you were when you drop off the resume. Dress like you want the job. Wear slacks and a button shirt even if you are just filling out an application. Have all the stuff for the application ready. References etc. It looks good if you are prepared.

Dave
 

wildmaninal

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

Lets start with the basics can you post a copy of your resume maybe we can help word it better make it stand out. I can do a pretty good resume. Are there any computer jobs in Gadsen? Mine is totally non physical. Maybe a computer repair shop that you can begin at and work your way up. What about Best Buy or Circuit City type place. Do you call back after you drop off a resume? If you interview get the persons business card and send them a quick simple thank you card. Anything you can do to stand out and make yourself look is good. What do you were when you drop off the resume. Dress like you want the job. Wear slacks and a button shirt even if you are just filling out an application. Have all the stuff for the application ready. References etc. It looks good if you are prepared.

Dave

My resume is simple not complicated, I have a brief discription of the main duties of each job. I have altered the skill to meet the job position that I am applying for. I have called to follow up on jobs. I do dress in slacks with a button down shirt. I always carry a file with all the info needed to fill out an application, so I am always ready. I have changed my resume all together to try and improve it. We doin't have a circuit city or best buy near buy, we have an Office max that I have applied for numorous times. I'll be darned if I'll go back to work with the computer repair shop that I worked for in the past, now not only have they stolen my disc but the owner has his drugged up step son running the show and they also claim that they will only hire certified computer techs now and this is the only place that I would come close to getting my foot in the door no other place would even bother with me. Other computer businesses that I have tried to apply for or ask about any open positions have told me that they do not need anybody.
 

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

The worst thing you can do is not try a job. If it is not for you then quit.
 

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HUH? 11 hours a day 6 days a week? NO WAY.....No one does that.no one

Yes they do at my work place. The overtime is there, they just have to say yes and some they do. I did also work 48 weekends of an entire year with a few days vacation every other month. I work my regular 5 days o hrs each then on call weekends which seldom had less than 7 hrs of work. I stopped when they made technical support managers exempt. No it makes no sense...
 

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

Did I say dump truck? I meant a Euclid :eek:. I was told that it was a "dump truck" nobody said it was the over grown one. I started the job today, the foremen just wanted me to get a hang of driving the Euclid, I only got to drive it for a couple of hours. I was told to park the truck and wait for the other foreman to arrive, so I did and when he showed up he had told me to go stand with the mechanics to see if they need any help. We got rained out at about 2:20pm and they called it quits. Problem is.. they don't have enough people to really do the work right now, everything is just starting to come together. I tried to tell them (my family) that if it rains no job. Somebody that works there told me before I was even hired in that the trucks are already maintained, blah blah blah, you don't half to check the oil, they were wrong!!!!! Why would they even say such a thing and they are a part of helping you with your application process, this is a relative by the way. Same person that said the would make sure that my dad would not get on as a employee because they don't get along. Who is she to say? My father was only asking for a part time job, he couldn't do a full time.

The trainer was alright when I could understand him, no speak english very well.

I heard those trucks can slide very easily due to the big tires, say if the ground is wet. I will half to travel up a steep incline and back down to fetch my load :eek::(, that's where the problem is. Then I'll half to worry about the power lines also :(.
 

wildmaninal

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Re: Would you drive a dump truck if you had a fused ankle?

Congratulations!!!!!! Now, focus in the positive, no the negative! Good luck!


Thanks. $12 starting out, possibly a bunch of overtime. Bye bye boating and other activities :(, back to the old come home sleep all my free time away most likely. Bumpy aint to word for how those things ride. I haven't even got to haul a load yet and dump it.
 

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OK, so we are not talking about your average "pay-ter-built!" I actually had to look up Euclid dump trucks to see what you are talking about. The first thing that I noticed is that they are "rigid frame end-dump" trucks, and that they come in a bunch of sizes, including one that grosses out at over a million pounds! Holy moly! I hope you aren't driving that one!

I do hope it all works out but I will join a couple of the others in saying that you need to adjust your attitude at this point. Let's just say that I notice a pronounced tendancy to empahsize the negative. So, you have a $12/hour job that apparently has a lot of overtime - that seems like a good thing as long as your health holds up. That being the case, just go for it and see what happens. If nothing else, you will have put a little "jingle" in your pockets to pay the bills while you find something else.

Best of luck to you.


As to those that think "no one" works 66 hour weeks, I think you are blessed to be that uninformed - it only means that you have never had to! When I was carving out my place in my first career in business, I routinely worked 70 hour weeks for months on end. I even had one job in which I ran an 825 acre facility with many commercial buildings on it, and traveled around the country as a consultant in the same field. Getting off of an airplane at 8:00pm, only to get back on another one at 6:30am the next morning was routine, all the while trying to keep up with my normal responsibilities! And, while this happens to be my personal experience and perspective on things, I am far from alone in terms of the numbers of people who do such things.

Remember also, the single parents who work like dogs, and then go home to make dinner for their kids and do homework with them. Frankly, these are the folks that I admire the most because the daily routine can be exhausting, but they just keep doing it for the sake of their kids. To all of you single moms and dads out there, you have my utmost respect!
 
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