Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

[woodrat]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

I think those things should be prohibited by law. They are mostly about gathering revenue without having to actually put a working human in a uniform on the street.

My wife got bagged by a camera that was not at a light, but on a bridge. She had just passed the car next to her so she could get into the exit lane and the camera caught her in that 5 seconds or so that she was five miles above the speed limit. My guess is that camera generates a lot of revenue due to its placement.

While I am obviously not in favor of running red lights, if there is a real problem at specific intersections, well, that's what patrol officers are for. Put them at the problem lights for a few days and give out tickets. But stationing a robot camera at every intersection is just a money grab, since most people who get a ticket in the mail are just going to pay it and curse the state, rather than lose time off of work to try to take a ticket like that to court.

I agree with you on this one, WITF, about the un-constituionality of this technology. Unfortunately, these kinds of affronts to the basic tenets of the constitution are all too common these days, and there are always enough people who seem to think the ends justify the means.

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Unfortunately, these kinds of affronts to the basic tenets of the constitution are all too common these days, and there are always enough people who seem to think the ends justify the means.

At the risk of sounding political, I say "Hear hear".

 

[JRJ]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

I think that those who are afraid of cameras, are probably a hazard to the rest of us. I realize no one wants to get caught, however, I have nothing but contempt for red-light runners who kill and maim others through their stupidity. The guilty driver's actions, preserved on film, show their lies and denial for what it is. Pathetic.

 

[woodrat]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Sorry, but my opposition to the cameras is not because I like to run red lights. I'm a pretty conservative and careful driver. It bascially boils down to not being able to face your accuser. And what about the cameras that don't have anything to do with red lights?

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Whether you know it or not you are being filmed most of the day. They have camras on traffic lights around here so I smile and wave at them. As far as I know they are used to stop the light from turning green while a car is in the intersection. I know if I ever get a ticket in the mail I'll use JMRuth72's defence and if that doesn't work I'll tell the judge I'm not paying it. When he says then you can go to jail I'll tell him great. That puts a roof over my head that doesn't leak, gives me 3 hot meals a day, free room and board, free cloths and my meds cost about $300 a month. Lets go, you'll be doing me a favor. Most of the time that takes the wind out of their sails and they throw it out. If he doesn't I go to jail untill he lets me out. Doesn't mater to me, at least they can't get any money out of me cause I have none they can find. Or you could always drive a 4x4 and keep it real muddy all the time {got by without buying a tag for 3 years that way one time}. Untill I get to vote on the laws that are made I will follow the ones I choose to follow.....ANIMAL

 

[JRJ]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Hang on to that milk spigot like a calf. The rest of us will carry you until we die. Must be comfy. lol

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

You all ready do, I'm a VET.....ANIMAL

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Don't be mad at me. I earned what little I get from Uncle Sam. If you want something to be mad about write your congressman about the people they let out of the pen and out of the nut houses that go right on S.S.I./Social Securety while people with real disabiltys have to fight and hire a lawer to get it. Or the illegles they put on AFDC and food stamps. I've been in jail 3 times for old tickets {and I'll be 51 next month} and was out the same day each time. So trust me if I wind up in jail I will have earned that too. At least I earned it so I guess you could say the VA is paying for my boat. Thank you everyone for contributing to the buy ANIMAL a boat fund. Remember to thank a VET......ANIMAL

 

[JCF350]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Anything that lowers these numbers is fine by me.
"http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx"

I think that LEO's need to spend more time on this than they currently do.

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Sorry I got a little off track there. Until they do away with steering wheels we will have the loose nuts behind them. Every body has done something stupid behind the wheel. Some get caught , some die. Not a hole lot you can do about it ether way. We lucky ones get away with it and try not to do it again. I'd bet that with in the next 10 to 20 years you'll pull up the key board and type in where you want to go, that or just tell it. Steering wheels will be unheard of. Satalite control is where its at. Look what they can do with semi's now days. And On Star can shut your car down if they think its been stolen and there's Lo-Jack. Won't be long and when you try to out run the cops they will be able to shut the car down. And you will have no choice in the mater. Every day we loose more control over our own lives and its all big business and Uncle Sam.....ANIMAL

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Anything that lowers these numbers is fine by me.
"http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx"

You conveniently missed these numbers:

http://www.tfhrc.gov/safety/pubs/05049/


In one jurisdiction, a 38% increase in rear end collisions at intersections where red light cameras were installed.

So this is increasing safety, huh?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for safety and against red light running and speeding, but I'm all against breaking the law, and in some cases as you can see from my above link, decreasing safety, to do it.

 

[gonefishie]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

The roadside trailers that display your speed in this area does not take photos. (at least yet) I do know that they make my radar detector go buggy from about half mile away. I haven't been in any towns where the cameras have been used at. So I don't know if the detector works for them as well. Does anyone know?

Oh yeah! mine goes nuts around them.

 

[JCF350]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

You conveniently missed these numbers:

http://www.tfhrc.gov/safety/pubs/05049/


In one jurisdiction, a 38% increase in rear end collisions at intersections where red light cameras were installed.

So this is increasing safety, huh?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for safety and against red light running and speeding, but I'm all against breaking the law, and in some cases as you can see from my above link, decreasing safety, to do it.

Table one shows a total decrease in deaths/injuries. Which was my point.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

The ends justify the means huh? To hell with the constitution and your rights and the judicial system huh?

 

[96 Wellcraft]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

My view is

they are illegal in North Carolina. They were giving out thousands of tickets until the public lawsuits shut them down. I think they are useful to a point, especially the red light camera's. Without the redlight camera's people constantly block intersections and run red 4-6 cars thru red lights.

 

[JCF350]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

The ends justify the means huh? To hell with the constitution and your rights and the judicial system huh?

Driving has nothing to do with any rights or the constitution. The judicial system is available at anybody's discretion.

 

[Caveman Charlie]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

In may area we have to many police that are board and have nothing to do. It's sounds as though many of you live in area where you should go to the police station tell your local cops to stop eating donuts and go out of patrol. If they say they have to much work to do you can have some of our cops.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

Driving has nothing to do with any rights or the constitution. The judicial system is available at anybody's discretion.

I hate to break it to you, my friend, but your constitutional rights extend into your car!

And no, it's not available at anybody's discretion. Thats the exact reason they have been deemed illegal by the Minnesota supreme court, and according to 96 wellcraft, North Carolina too! If they were that great, would two states ban them outright?!!?!?

You have a constitutional right to confront your accuser in court. In the case of a redlight camera, you can't. You can't ask questions, you can't request documentation guaranteeing the accuracy of the camera or speed camera, nothing. You become guilty until proven innocent, and that's not how our constitution works.

Don't run redlights and you have nothing to worry about, right? Well how about this!!

Rogue red light camera worries drivers
Genevieve Bookwalter
Sentinel staff writer

CAPITOLA -- Drivers looking for a little flash in their holiday shopping might not have had this in mind.
A camera installed last month to catch drivers running red lights on southbound 41st Avenue at Clares Street near Capitola Mall is on the skids, flashing sporadically, startling innocent drivers and sending many into a panic that a $300-$400 ticket might be in the mail.

"It's going nuts," confirmed Capitola Police Chief Richard Ehle on Monday.

The camera was installed early last month and is the first of two red light cameras on the southbound lanes of 41st Avenue. The other is south of Clares Street at the Capitola Mall's main entrance, and was installed in 2005.

But the new camera, which was moved from its previous location in the northbound lanes of 41st Avenue at the mall entrance, is hypersensitive to traffic flowing down the county's second-busiest surface street, Ehle said.

As a result, the camera is snapping photos of holiday shoppers that turn right on red -- a legal move at that intersection -- or gently roll forward before the light turns green, among other scenarios, Ehle said.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/story.php?sid=51470&storySection=Top+Stories

Obviously you don't have these cameras in your town or city.

 

[JCF350]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

I hate to break it to you, my friend, but your constitutional rights extend into your car!

There is nothing in the bill of rights or the constitution that says you have a right to DRIVE a motor vehicle. Perhaps you are thinking of search and seizure laws or the like?

And no, it's not available at anybody's discretion. Thats the exact reason they have been deemed illegal by the Minnesota supreme court, and according to 96 wellcraft, North Carolina too! If they were that great, would two states ban them outright?!!?!?

Somebody used their discretion to start this case in the judicial system.

You have a constitutional right to confront your accuser in court. In the case of a redlight camera, you can't. You can't ask questions, you can't request documentation guaranteeing the accuracy of the camera or speed camera, nothing. You become guilty until proven innocent, and that's not how our constitution works.

Every ticket I ever saw has a court date on it. And the entire "Justice" system as gone the way of guilty until proven innocent matter of fact so has society, Take the Duke U Lacrosse players for a good example.

Don't run redlights and you have nothing to worry about, right? Well how about this!!

Rogue red light camera worries drivers
Genevieve Bookwalter
Sentinel staff writer

CAPITOLA -- Drivers looking for a little flash in their holiday shopping might not have had this in mind.
A camera installed last month to catch drivers running red lights on southbound 41st Avenue at Clares Street near Capitola Mall is on the skids, flashing sporadically, startling innocent drivers and sending many into a panic that a $300-$400 ticket might be in the mail.

"It's going nuts," confirmed Capitola Police Chief Richard Ehle on Monday.

The camera was installed early last month and is the first of two red light cameras on the southbound lanes of 41st Avenue. The other is south of Clares Street at the Capitola Mall's main entrance, and was installed in 2005.

But the new camera, which was moved from its previous location in the northbound lanes of 41st Avenue at the mall entrance, is hypersensitive to traffic flowing down the county's second-busiest surface street, Ehle said.

As a result, the camera is snapping photos of holiday shoppers that turn right on red -- a legal move at that intersection -- or gently roll forward before the light turns green, among other scenarios, Ehle said.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/story.php?sid=51470&storySection=Top+Stories

Obviously you don't have these cameras in your town or city.

Defective equipment (either by design or placement). Nope nothing like that here (no point in a 1 traffic light community). How ever they installed them in the Orlando area and the seem to be working pretty good.

And if you ease forward across the stop bar you are in the intersection which is illegal.

This thread was asking for views on traffic control devices and I gave mine. Do they all work correctly or is the process correct (ie no recourse,or confronting your accuser)? No, these are matters that have to be resolved in through the judicial system or your legislature.

Have you done anything about these matters or attempted to? If not, you have only yourself to blame. Towns that have politically active citizens get things done.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Your views on redlight and speed cameras...

There is nothing in the bill of rights or the constitution that says you have a right to DRIVE a motor vehicle. Perhaps you are thinking of search and seizure laws or the like? NO, BUT IT DOES STATE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSER, AND SINCE SPEEDING OR RED LIGHT RUNNING IS A CRIME, IT SHOULD BE DECIDED IN A COURT.

Somebody used their discretion to start this case in the judicial system.

THAT IS JUST IT. THESE TICKETS ARE NOT DECIDED BY A COURT APPOINTED JUDGE. AN EMPLOYEE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DECIDES WHICH TICKETS GET THROWN OUT AND WHICH DONT. THAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

Every ticket I ever saw has a court date on it. THESE ARE NOT TICKETS, THEY ARE CITATIONS FROM A PRIVATE COMPANY, BASICALLY, A BILL, IF YOU WILL. THEY DON'T GO ON YOUR RECORD AND YOUR INSCO NEVER KNOWS ABOUT THEM, BUT IF YOU DON'T PAY THEY GO INTO COLLECTIONS. A TICKET DOESN'T GO INTO COLLECTIONS, A REAL TICKET WOULD RESULT IN A WARRANT FOR YOUR ARREST!

And if you ease forward across the stop bar you are in the intersection which is illegal. THAT IS NOT TRUE. A STOP LIGHT MEANS YOU MUST STOP, BUT IT IS SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THE MOTORCYCLE MANUAL THAT AFTER STOPPING YOU MAY PROCEED UP SLOWLY SO YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE INTERSECTION TO MAKE YOUR RIGHT TURN. THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL.

This thread was asking for views on traffic control devices and I gave mine. Do they all work correctly or is the process correct (ie no recourse,or confronting your accuser)? No, these are matters that have to be resolved in through the judicial system or your legislature. THATS EXACTLY WHY THE PUBLIC HAS COME UNGLUED! OUR CITY GOV'T LOVES THE REVENUE AND HAS NOW CHANGED THE LAW SAYING THAT SPEEDING IS A CIVIL VIOLATION, SO YOUR RIGHT TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSER NO LONGER APPLIES! IT IS CRAZINESS!!! WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS ITS OK FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. WITH A REAL LIVE COP YOU CAN CONFRONT HIM IN COURT AND PROVE HIM WRONG, WITH THE CAMERA, YOU CAN'T!! THEY CAN BE WRONG AND SINCE YOU CAN'T PROVE IT, YOU HAVE TO PAY!!! IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE POOP THIS HAS STIRRED, GO TO WWW.THEADVERTISER.COM AND TYPE IN SPEED VAN OR RED LIGHT CAMERA INTO THE SEARCH WINDOW. YOU'LL SEE THE ARTICLES THAT HAVE POPPED UP AND HOW OUTRAGED PEOPLE ARE!

Have you done anything about these matters or attempted to? If not, you have only yourself to blame. Towns that have politically active citizens get things done.

YES I HAVE, I'VE WRITTEN NUMEROUS ARTICLES, POSTED THREADS ON A HALF DOZEN FORUMS, READ UP ON WEBSITES, ETC ETC. WE VOTED THESE PEOPLE INTO OFFICE AND NOW WE ARE STUCK WITH THEM FOR 2 MORE YEARS. WE DID NOT SEE THIS COMING! SOME ARE SAYING THIS IS ALL REVENGE BY THE CITY GOV'T WHEN WE, AS CITIZENS, VOTED NO TO A TAX TO FIX THE ROADS WHEN WE'VE VOTED YES BEFORE AND THE MONEY ENDS UP GOING TO FUND OTHER PROJECTS. WE FINALLY SAID NO, USE THE DAMN MONEY ALREADY ALLOCATED TO FIX THE ROADS. SO NOW, THEY'LL GET THE MONEY THIS WAY. NOTICE THE KEY WORD IN ALL OF THIS....MONEY.

Note: My text is all caps simply to differentiate it from yours. I am not implying yelling.