Youtube - Fearless Deer

soggy_feet

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http://youtu.be/BJbf81A5ajY


I've always wondered to what extent 'mental handicap' extended into the animal world. This deer definitely has something wrong with it, so before anyone starts in with 'sporting game' or anything like that, this deer is probably better off culled.
 

chicknwing

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Yep something was wrong with that deer for sure. Probably best that they killed it.
 

woosterken

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WHOA!! I found than DISCUSTING :(
I have arthritis and walk with a cane , should some one walk up to me and shoot me in the head??
just because Iam different?

woosterken
 

roscoe

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It was probably raised as someone's pet.
Didn't look like there was anything wrong with it, except for its non fear of humans.

For those guys to take that animal and be proud of it ........... never mind.
 

hungupthespikes

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When the kids were small we put a 28ft above ground swimming pool in. The deer would come out of the woods, drink the pool water, go right outside of the back door to eat some apples from the under the trees, then cross the road, eat the cherries from the orchard, then back track to the pool (watering hole). Kids, me, whoever did not stop them one bit. I caught the kids feeding them apples from the pool :eek:. The wife and I had very different views on the deer.:facepalm:

When the doctors, after several months, figured out my oldest had Lyme disease (almost lost him). I let the dog take care of the deer and the wife and I came to an agreement.

No more deer around us anymore. The pool is long gone, and the dog takes care of the woodlum creatures, but the gun is always handy.

The video is not hunting, but Bambi is not welcome around here.
 

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While the ticks may use deer for part of their life cycle, its rodents, small mammals, and pets - dogs and cats - that are largely responsible for spreading the ticks, and bringing the ticks in contact with humans.

Additionally, letting your dog out in deer tick infested areas will likely infect your dog with lyme disease.

Deer ticks will hitch a ride and feed on any mammal.


Michigan DNR:
"Other species of ticks such as the dog tick or wood tick, the lone-star tick and the rabbit tick, and biting insects such as mosquitoes, deer flies and horse flies have been shown to carry the Lyme disease bacterium. However, their ability to transmit the disease is not known at this time.

In the spring, the eggs hatch into larvae. During the summer, the larvae feed on mice, squirrel, raccoon, rabbit and other animals. In the fall, the larvae mature into nymphs, which then hibernate over winter. In the spring and summer these nymphs become active again, preferring to feed on mice. It is during the time the tick is in the nymphal stage that it is most likely to infect humans. At the end of its life cycle the female tick lays eggs and dies."



And this:


In the first 15 years after Lyme disease was discovered in coastal New England, several studies showed that many adult ticks feed on deer, and researchers surmised that deer were critical to the tick life cycle. When researchers eradicated deer from New England islands, tick populations crashed.

Unfortunately, nature has a way of being more complex than first thought.
The key to the Lyme disease problem seemed at hand. Unfortunately, nature has a way of being more complex than first thought. One complication is that adult black-legged ticks feed on raccoons, skunks, opossums, and other medium-sized mammals. When deer are scarce, ticks don?t necessarily become scarce, because they have alternative hosts. Indeed, several recent studies (e.g., Jordan and Schulze, 2005; Ostfeld et al., 2006; Jordan et al., 2007 ? see citations below) on mainland sites in New York and New Jersey found no correlation between deer and ticks.

Second, ticks and Lyme disease are rare or absent in parts of the United States (the Southeast, most of the Midwest) where deer are abundant.

Third, ticks are only dangerous if they are infected, and deer play no role in infecting ticks. Ticks become infected with the Lyme disease bacterium by feeding on small mammals such as white-footed mice, chipmunks, and shrews. And mice play the additional role of increasing tick survival ? they are at the opposite extreme from opossums, which kill the vast majority of ticks they encounter. When our group compared the importance of deer, mice, and climate in determining the number of infected ticks over 13 years in southeastern New York State, mice were the winners hands down.

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/are-deer-the-culprit-in-lyme-disease/
 

soggy_feet

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It was probably raised as someone's pet.
Didn't look like there was anything wrong with it, except for its non fear of humans.

For those guys to take that animal and be proud of it ........... never mind.



Couple problems there... unless it's on a game preserve, I don't know of any places that let you keep 'pet' wild deer.

Feeding deer, and removing the fear of people from them, invites them into populated areas where they become a threat to people in the form of road hazards, and if that is a 'pet' that someone is feeding, there are probably other deer that are doing the same thing. Concentrating deer around a food source like that ramps up the possibility of passing disease (CWD, or Chronic Wasting Disease is a prime example, and a real concern).

There is also the possibility that the usually docile animal turns violent in defending: does, food, or in the case of a doe with a fawn.. protecting the fawn.

Case in point:
http://youtu.be/l0DkEcZ_k8Q
 

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While the ticks may use deer for part of their life cycle, its rodents, small mammals, and pets - dogs and cats - that are largely responsible for spreading the ticks, and bringing the ticks in contact with humans.

Additionally, letting your dog out in deer tick infested areas will likely infect your dog with lyme disease.

Deer ticks will hitch a ride and feed on any mammal.


Michigan DNR:
"Other species of ticks such as the dog tick or wood tick, the lone-star tick and the rabbit tick, and biting insects such as mosquitoes, deer flies and horse flies have been shown to carry the Lyme disease bacterium. However, their ability to transmit the disease is not known at this time.

In the spring, the eggs hatch into larvae. During the summer, the larvae feed on mice, squirrel, raccoon, rabbit and other animals. In the fall, the larvae mature into nymphs, which then hibernate over winter. In the spring and summer these nymphs become active again, preferring to feed on mice. It is during the time the tick is in the nymphal stage that it is most likely to infect humans. At the end of its life cycle the female tick lays eggs and dies."



And this:


In the first 15 years after Lyme disease was discovered in coastal New England, several studies showed that many adult ticks feed on deer, and researchers surmised that deer were critical to the tick life cycle. When researchers eradicated deer from New England islands, tick populations crashed.

Unfortunately, nature has a way of being more complex than first thought.
The key to the Lyme disease problem seemed at hand. Unfortunately, nature has a way of being more complex than first thought. One complication is that adult black-legged ticks feed on raccoons, skunks, opossums, and other medium-sized mammals. When deer are scarce, ticks don?t necessarily become scarce, because they have alternative hosts. Indeed, several recent studies (e.g., Jordan and Schulze, 2005; Ostfeld et al., 2006; Jordan et al., 2007 ? see citations below) on mainland sites in New York and New Jersey found no correlation between deer and ticks.

Second, ticks and Lyme disease are rare or absent in parts of the United States (the Southeast, most of the Midwest) where deer are abundant.

Third, ticks are only dangerous if they are infected, and deer play no role in infecting ticks. Ticks become infected with the Lyme disease bacterium by feeding on small mammals such as white-footed mice, chipmunks, and shrews. And mice play the additional role of increasing tick survival ? they are at the opposite extreme from opossums, which kill the vast majority of ticks they encounter. When our group compared the importance of deer, mice, and climate in determining the number of infected ticks over 13 years in southeastern New York State, mice were the winners hands down.

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/are-deer-the-culprit-in-lyme-disease/

As a sufferer of chronic lyme disease I can tell you I'll never take my chances in the woods again. I had to take a semester off, spend 2 weeks in the hospital and 12 weeks on an IV because of F*^%&* deer tick. Then repeat that when it came back because lyme is really hard to kill. I've been on and off antibiotics and IVs for 4 years, since I was 16. I'll never be the same because of it. My mom even says all the deer can go to heck... and take the ticks with them... Bambi is never welcome on my property and will become dinner.

they're a menace in NJ and over populated. I am really excited for the deer hunt this year.

mini rant over :mad:

However, I'm not really all for putting up a video of you killing something...
 

roscoe

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Couple problems there... unless it's on a game preserve, I don't know of any places that let you keep 'pet' wild deer.

Feeding deer, and removing the fear of people from them, invites them into populated areas where they become a threat to people in the form of road hazards, and if that is a 'pet' that someone is feeding, there are probably other deer that are doing the same thing. Concentrating deer around a food source like that ramps up the possibility of passing disease (CWD, or Chronic Wasting Disease is a prime example, and a real concern).

There is also the possibility that the usually docile animal turns violent in defending: does, food, or in the case of a doe with a fawn.. protecting the fawn.

Never said it was good to have one as a pet, but know several people that do.

I work with 3 people that have small whitetail breeding operations, less than 50 head.
They sell to other breeders which in turn sell off the "trophy" bloodline fawns to private hunting preserves.

And yes, their children keep one or two as a pet. They say it helps to calm the rest of the herd, which eases stress and helps with the state mandated vet checks and vaccinations.
 

hungupthespikes

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roscoe, thanks. Lots of good info. Don't worry about the dog, she stays in the yard and the deer, ect. stay clear.

My son was one of just three cases diagnosed in Ohio for the year, and that was the problem.
The doctors couldn't get a +50% positive result on testing because they didn't know what to look for.

We were very lucky an Optometrists was called in because of the halo around the lights when the boy looked at them. The Optometrists was from Connecticut and only in Ohio for three weeks. He knew what it was in a heartbeat and test confirmed Lyme.
Six months later, mom didn't like what she saw, so off to the Cleveland Clinic and a series of IV's.

It's been more than 20 years and he still comes up positive to testing, but the test/levels are expected, and no ill effects.

Just makes me wonder how many others were never diagnosed correctly then and now, it's a tough find and control.

DON"T FEED THE DEER
 

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roscoe, thanks. Lots of good info. Don't worry about the dog, she stays in the yard and the deer, ect. stay clear.

My son was one of just three cases diagnosed in Ohio for the year, and that was the problem.
The doctors couldn't get a +50% positive result on testing because they didn't know what to look for.

We were very lucky an Optometrists was called in because of the halo around the lights when the boy looked at them. The Optometrists was from Connecticut and only in Ohio for three weeks. He knew what it was in a heartbeat and test confirmed Lyme.
Six months later, mom didn't like what she saw, so off to the Cleveland Clinic and a series of IV's.

It's been more than 20 years and he still comes up positive to testing, but the test/levels are expected, and no ill effects.

Just makes me wonder how many others were never diagnosed correctly then and now, it's a tough find and control.

DON"T FEED THE DEER

The tests for it are crap. Most doctors base it on symptoms. by the time you meet CDC criteria you are so sick... like I was...

It's hard to catch and hard to treat and it sucks.
 

hungupthespikes

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zopperman, that's a tough go and the best goes out to you.
Back then they put a valve in his arm and I gave him an IV every 8 hours for 7 days, then testing every 6 months and he still has to get test. So the "it sucks" part never goes away.

GOOD HUNTING!!
 

zopperman

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zopperman, that's a tough go and the best goes out to you.
Back then they put a valve in his arm and I gave him an IV every 8 hours for 7 days, then testing every 6 months and he still has to get test. So the "it sucks" part never goes away.

GOOD HUNTING!!

Thanks bud. Sounds like what I had for 3 months... it was called a picc line and i self administered the IVs. F*&*&^*& DEER!!!!
 

chriscraft254

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Looked like that deer might have met up with the hood of a car at one time. Kinda walking funny and rack was messed up. I agree, looked like a good candidate to put down.
 

raymondpickens

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I have had many pet deer, there was definately something amiss with that one. I sure hope they didn't eat it. Way too many things that could have been. I have seen lots of animals do strange things when rabid, I wouldn't rule anything out. But it dang sure isn't going to be going in MY freezer!
 

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That type of behavior ( Out in plain site during daylight, high stepping, no flight response, confused wandering, etc...) is all characteristic of the onset of rabies. I've seen raccoons and possum act similarly when I worked next to a state park that had a high incidence of rabid animals. Might explain such unnatural behavior.
 
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