Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we?

[12Footer]

Re: Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we?

You've heard the term, "warriors for Christ"? I wonder how one could assemble and train a new order of the Knights Templar without becomming Masons -- Mind you, not that i have any probs with freemasonry at all. I just want to skip the pomp and circumstance and get-down to the buisness of frying Ilamic pigdogs post haste before they fry any more of us..
The Templars kicked Ilamic butt once, they can do it again.
We just need to find a way to get around murtha ,mohammed pelosi and chucky.

 

[WillyBWright]

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The Bible has verses of that nature as well, waterinthefuel. Okay, not literally Biblical...but "Onward Christian soldiers, marching off to war. With the cross of Jesus going on before." That's gotta be goldang offensive to other religions.

Look at John Lennon's "Imagine" saying "Imagine there's no Heaven. It's easy if you try. No Hell below us. Above us only sky." He's talking about the divisiveness that Religion fosters. Every dang Religion on Planet Earth thinks theirs is the one and only truth and all others are off target. The real truth is that NO man's religion is the one and only Truth and to proclaim so is blasphemy IMHO. That's why even though I'm a Christian, I could never be a Minister, even though I wish I could. It's in my blood, but I see Religion as the taproot for all war and I don't want any part of that.

 

[12Footer]

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where are the true Muslims that are calling the terrorists blasphemers?

I think it's too late now. They pascified their way out of their own religion. It allong with their mosques belong to the kooks now (kind of like what happened to this country last November).

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I agree 12......
Smite the Saracens!......​

 

[12Footer]

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Snicker if you wish, HM. But trust me -- there is a limit to cheek-turning for many of us.

 

[WillyBWright]

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I absolutely see your point, Foots. Silence is a sin when it comes to honoring your faith. I couldn't agree more and that's one thing about this whole thing that really bums me out. The meek have to out-shout the fanatics and they just plain aren't. Sometimes Silence speaks louder than words, but in this case I think we need more Words.

To paraphrase Haut (minus the sarcasm ) Smite the Blasphemers!

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Islam did not attack the USA. Muslim FANATICS did. BIG difference! Using the Koran to justify this so-called Gihad is an abomination of the religion and those guilty should be labeled as Blasphemers by true Muslims. In fact, they are to a large extent. Just not large enough for my satisfaction.

Yah know Willy: you need to study the history of the Religion o' Peace, n' you may come to a different Cornclusion, (if yer not too set in yer ways), as you are certianly sharp enough to grasp a corncept or two, n' you likely have more functionin' brain cells then I do.

Study the cornduct of the founder of the Religion. It was a military philosophy from the onset, (and a quite sucessfull one at that). The Koran specifically and explicitly justifies and sometimes requires a number of brutal military stratigies to overcome and dominate non-believers.

The followers of another Religion with much more benign beginnings: Christianity had their Religion "hyjacked" for nearly one thousand years by some of the men who had power in the middle ages in the vacuum after the fall of Rome: #1 tried to stop scientific advances et. al. they thought threatened their power; #2 encouraged "Crusades" to retake the lands conquered by Muslims; #3 cornducted "inquisitions" to scare believers n' non believers alike; #4 sold blessings, which coupled with the technology of the printing press n' a translated bible, directly lead to the "Reformation" that modernised Christianity! As I just stated: the Religion did in fact modernize, (which was a bloody affair as well) and the fundamental "turn the cheek" philosophy, as written in the New Testament and practiced by the founder is real clear and ultimately prevailed in the current modern philosophy you and I are a part of. The main point I want to make is look at the initial formation of the two great Religions. One was spread with "the word" or "good news" gospel, n' one was spead with a sword where ya at least had a choice: pray ta Mecca five times per day or loose yer head.

"Islam", which literally means "submission" is fundamentally different from day one, 1500 years ago. Not all Muslims will lie to non Muslims to get an advantage as the Koran specifically teaches, but many do.

The rigid Church/State combination, (a "full meal deal" so to speak), specifically called for in the Koran has never modernized, and there is only one modern functioning example of a state that has reasonable modern social order: Turkey.

Many, (actually the majority) of the worlds cornflicts n' wars since the beginning of Islam have involved Muslim followers of this intollerant philosophy.

So when you make excuses for the Religion o' Peace yer jus' plain wrong: Willy, as the philosophy is a seventh century one that has never modernized, and the "good, peacefull" Muslims, (that I agree, do in fact exist) that actually embrace Western style, (from the influances of Christianity: Willy) modern liberal human rights and corncepts of personal freedom from a church/state tyranny are at real risk if they speak up from the hard line adherants of the faith. Beheading, female mutilation, slavery, are specified in the Koran and have been followed by Muslims for 1500 years. You must be dreaming if ya think that is an accident: my man!

I was in the investment business long enough to accept the "don't fight the tape" corncept as a solid one to help a person reach valid cornclusions. I read rhetoric, but I observe the real world to see if the rhetoric matches the actual real world experience. The real world of Islam for a long period of time does not match yer rhetoric: Willy. The Religion as it now exists today since the 600s is NOT a Religion o' Peace, I very much hope it does modernize, (which can only come from good Muslims inside the Religion changing their outdated philosophies). Don't hold yer breath for this to happen anytime soon.

Respectfully, JR

 

[waterinthefuel]

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The Bible has verses of that nature as well, waterinthefuel. Okay, not literally Biblical...but "Onward Christian soldiers, marching off to war. With the cross of Jesus going on before." That's gotta be goldang offensive to other religions.

Look at John Lennon's "Imagine" saying "Imagine there's no Heaven. It's easy if you try. No Hell below us. Above us only sky." He's talking about the divisiveness that Religion fosters. Every dang Religion on Planet Earth thinks theirs is the one and only truth and all others are off target. The real truth is that NO man's religion is the one and only Truth and to proclaim so is blasphemy IMHO. That's why even though I'm a Christian, I could never be a Minister, even though I wish I could. It's in my blood, but I see Religion as the taproot for all war and I don't want any part of that.

You find me one passage from the bible that says to decapitate non-believers. The fact that you even said there were passages like that makes me realize I am wasting my time with you.

Please tell me ONE WAR that the Christians began based on religion. Show me one war the Christians began, for that matter. Where to you get this stuff? MSM? Just because Muslims use the term "holy war" doesn't mean you should say that religion is the taproot for all wars. That's terribly ignorant thinking.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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You find me one passage from the bible that says to decapitate non-believers. The fact that you even said there were passages like that makes me realize I am wasting my time with you.

Please tell me ONE WAR that the Christians began based on religion. Show me one war the Christians began, for that matter. Where to you get this stuff? MSM? Just because Muslims use the term "holy war" doesn't mean you should say that religion is the taproot for all wars. That's terribly ignorant thinking.

WITF, Ya may want to limit Willy's responce (in yer challange) to modern times, as Libs luv ta agree with OBL and point to: the Spanish Inquisition, the Conquistidors in Central n' South America, or the Crusades as justification of their anti religion schpeels JR ps: Willy already tried this tact with his "Onward Christian Soldiers" cite which we all know is a real modern 800-1000 year old example of those terrible war mongering Christians!!

 

[waterinthefuel]

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Most certainly OMR, if they have to reach back 1000 years ,when nothing on this planet was like it is now, to try to prove their point then arguement is futile.

Let me ask WBW something...would you rather a planet dominated by Islam or Christianity?

I'd like to know.

 

[WillyBWright]

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Neither of the above! I no more want to force my religion down their throats than I want them to force theirs down mine. If I have to choose one or the other by force, I choose Athiesm.

 

[Plainsman]

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Neither of the above! I no more want to force my religion down their throats than I want them to force theirs down mine. If I have to choose one or the other by force, I choose Athiesm.

But they won't give you a choice willy. Either you convert to islam or you die. That is what they believe in and that is what they do.
We are not trying to force our religion(s) on them.

 

[WillyBWright]

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Have you ever been to a Baptist church? I have. They believe that people that don't believe as they do will go to Hell. Okay, they don't foster killing other-believers, but that's close enough for me. That includes other Christians. As far as modern examples of religion-based wars, all I have to point to is the common saying "Those Godless Communists". Athiesm is a religion too, IMHO. It's on a scale of zero to ten and they are at zero, but they're still on the scale.

 

[Plainsman]

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Have you ever been to a Baptist church? I have. They believe that people that don't believe as they do will go to Hell. Okay, they don't foster killing other-believers, but that's close enough for me. That includes other Christians. As far as modern examples of religion-based wars, all I have to point to is the common saying "Those Godless Communists". Athiesm is a religion too, IMHO. It's on a scale of zero to ten and they are at zero, but they're still on the scale.

What do atheists and baptists have to do with this thread? They are not the enemy in this war. Now dems on the other hand.........

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Neither of the above! I no more want to force my religion down their throats than I want them to force theirs down mine. If I have to choose one or the other by force, I choose Athiesm.

Very predictable answer Willy. Liberals tend to hate n' sneer at all Religions n' the most persucuted followers of any Religion world wide are Christians. It's known to be safe cornduct to persecute or smear those who turn the other cheek, n' scary fer Libs to even draw a cartoon about the Religion o' Peace. It's one of those double standards the Libs in the US and Europe luv to use to torment Cornservative Christians with. It amazes me you even admitted you were a Christian as most Libs would look for yer knuckles dragin' with that admission.

I would not want to "force" any Religion down anyone's throat either, (interesting how you changed the hypothetical question to yer liking in order to answer), but I do feel that a planet inhabited by humans who were all Atheists would be a violent place. Human nature has some problems, and if you are cornvinced that you are the top o' the food chain it could lead to some real sport, (like Darwinism, [another Religon of the Left]) with man made weapons. Ever cornsidered politics Willy? You seem to show real skill in yer debate tactics, n' I luv to debate ya even if you do ignore me. JR

 

[12Footer]

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Have you ever been to a Baptist church? I have. They believe that people that don't believe as they do will go to Hell. Okay, they don't foster killing other-believers, but that's close enough for me. That includes other Christians. As far as modern examples of religion-based wars, all I have to point to is the common saying "Those Godless Communists". Athiesm is a religion too, IMHO. It's on a scale of zero to ten and they are at zero, but they're still on the scale.

Sure those are all religions, but so is the belief in global warming. (an admittedly long-read, but very interesting).

HECK, You've just described every faith known to man. They all preach that their beliefs are the only beliefs that will get the faithfull to their version of heaven. Mine teaches that as well as yours.

The "killer" distinction lies in the treatment of the "infiidel" of their individual faiths. Baptists (that I know of anyhow) do not "smite the saracens" as Haut puts it. The muslims do. You may argue that not ALL muslims believe that -- but trust those who work at the WTC in New York, Willy, some do. Which group or sub-group dictates our concern as regards their treatment of the infidel?

BTW, I "profile" too, as I walk or drive around town. I NEVER turn my back on a "towelhead". It would be the same as turning my back on a person with a gun in his hand as I see it.
I know the Tim McVeigh types are out there, but how numerous are they? They are rare enough that profiling brings a far different result. "Constant vigilance" is what the gas station attendant was practicing when he allerted officials to the terror plot that got un-plotted last month. The guy does not, and never can know how many innocent lives he has saved. WE all need to be doing that.

I say, Yes, we ARE fighting a war on terror. So stay salty, Willy.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Have you ever been to a Baptist church?

Yup.

I have. They believe that people that don't believe as they do will go to Hell.

Is that different then Lutherans or Catholics, or non denominational Christians?

Okay, they don't foster killing other-believers, but that's close enough for me.

That's a great example of moral relativism: Willy!! If I, as a God fearin' Christian believes: someone who rejects the "grace of God" by denying the existance or the divinity and purpose of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for all of mankinds' sins does not go to heaven to be with God; that is equivilant to the Islamic fasicts' desire to kill me or anyone who refuses to renounce their faith n' pray to Mecca five times a day???? WOW Willy; say that one when yer lookin' in the mirror my fellow Christian friend!!!!

That includes other Christians.

Some Baptists, (as the Missouri Synod of the Lutherin Church), are not known for tollerance of the theological views of others. What does that prove? Intollerance of this or that matter is everywhere, (look at the intollerance of Liberals). Baptists would really look down at my Liberal Christian views, so what? Liberals dislike me far more then Baptists do, and that is their right. If anyone trys to kill me that's A VERY DIFFERENT MATTER: my man!!!!

As far as modern examples of religion-based wars, all I have to point to is the common saying "Those Godless Communists".

Willy, Hitler was an Athiest, so ya think WW2 and the Cold War were religious Wars??? Wow: what a stretch!! Ya got some smoke fer ol' Murky??? I would luv ta understand ya fer a minute or two my man!!

Athiesm is a religion too, IMHO.

Yup.

It's on a scale of zero to ten and they are at zero, but they're still on the scale.

Bet they don't think they are zeros Willy!! You hit this one outa the park my man. Great troll!!! JR