14 foot lund (speed issue)

pettle

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hi all, we just inherited a super nice lund with all the trimmings and a 25hp Mercury bigfoot motor. All in great condition and seems to run flawlessly. However the boat will only go 10 MPH....changed prop but didnt do much. Is this motor only capable only of this speed or is there a way to crank up something????
 

Expidia

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

Welcome to iboats :)

You need to give us more info to work with . . .

What model, style and year of the lund?

What gear do you have in the boat?

Tiller or Side console?

How many people in boat when it does 10 mph?

Helpful if you post a pic of the outboard from the side with it in a vertical position from the side so we can see where the cavitation plate is. Should be near level with the boat's bottom.

Is the pee stream coming out of the back? It might be overheating and allowing you only a limp home mode of 10 mph.

How old is the motor? What model? Is it a carb or EFI?
If carb it might be dirty or clogged.

Might have a dirty filter or bad load of gas too.

Those bigfoots have lower gear ratio's and are designed for pontoon boats needing lower torque. But a 25 hp should still move you along at 20 plus Mph.

Could be a linkage problem not allowing full throttle too.
 

pettle

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

awsome reply, I will get pics up asap...the boat and motor is 2001. The size of the boat is 14 foot Lund Rebel with a side cosole. I t has been serviced regularly and stored indoors since new. I dont think my Father in law ever thought anything was wrong and asked the question about making it faster since it has always been the same...... 3 battery and Aux charging system built in for trolling unit. Doesnt seem to matter weather I am in it alone or if my wife and 2 small boys are on board. I have checked the fuel flter and only good gas has been run through it...thanks again
 

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

Ya, the pics will help. All you can do is go by a process of elimination like you have done with the gas that helps to look elsewhere for the problem.

Once you assess that the outboard is in the proper position. Next you would look to see what pitch the prop that is on there is.

Take a flash light and look on the side of the prop to see what it's stamped if you don't already know. You may not have to take the prop off but it might be stamped on the bottom too. I would take the prop off anyway and check that there is no fishing line wound around the shaft. Line gets in there and cuts up the seals and you will loose lower unit oil. My Daughter's 14 footer is at the dealer now getting a $250 repair to put in new prop seals as I type this because the previous owner had line all wrapped around the shaft.

I have probably the same boat. They changed to Rebel to the Classic for a few years and then went back to the Rebel again. My dealer mounted the outboard 1 hole too low for optimum performance. Most don't test drive it after they install an outboard for pique performance. So the pics will tell us if you can tweak performance by moving on it. We bought it last year and it's mounted about 3 holes too low causing much backwash against the transom. I have to make up a piece of plastic or aluminum to put under the clamp and drill two new holes if that solves the issue of the skeg dragging through the water.

But since her outboard is a "very light weight" older 2 stroke and it hits about 22 mph with two of us on it read by a GPS. And pops right up on plane. I'm 180 and she's 110.

This forum does not get a lot of feedback from members for Merc's even though it's the number #1 selling outboard! Notice how your question has been up there for a few days with no other comments yet. Maybe everyone else is just out fishing :)

Check you capacity plate for the max outboard and post it back here along with the max weight for passengers (how big is your Wife :eek: :D :eek:) If she's 300 lbs . . . Houston, we have a problem! . . . Just kidding hahahha!

Mine is rated for a 40 and I have a 40 4 stroke EFI on it. When I had a 30 on it for the first few weeks it took 1000 yards to get it to plane with two of us on it.

But everything with boating has so many variables to work through when making comparisons. That Merc 30 was a new 2006 4 stroke carbed model. It was like 40 lbs heavier than the 2007 40 4 stroke EFI I swapped back to the dealer for. That 30 might also have had a linkage problem problem preventing it from going full throttle too. Or it just might have been just a heavy dog and of poor design.

I do know that a NH dealer called me 2 years later and said he had a guy trading it in to him and the dealer wanted to know why I only owned it two weeks? Funny how the next owner was trying to dump it in less than two years.

So as you can see from above all the variables you have to go through. Bottom line might be that it's just the lower gearing of the Bigfoot and your grandfather wound up with an outboard for a Pontoon that just won't give you pique performance on a 14 foot aluminum.

I'm not clear about the 3 batteries or is it just a charger for 3 batteries? Do you run with 3 batteries? If so, those 3 are almost 150 lbs right there.

To get my rig to plane with a 30 on it I had to get out from behind the steering wheel and walk up towards the bow.

Nothing like having the correct outboard and one that's max hp capacity for the rig. Mine pops to plane in 2 feet :D
 

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

Open up a free photobucket account and upload the pics that you save to your desktop.

When you see the new pic uploaded to photobucket (I would exit program an come back in again until you get the hang of how photobucket work).

Click on the album and the pics will show. Mouse over a pic and 4 links will open on the bottom. Highlight and copy the info the last link IMG: xxxxx

And past that link into your post and the pic will open full size in your post.

There is a way in Photobucket to set it so it does not upload the pics to big for iboats. Search around Photobucket and you can find it. Once you set it you won't have to do it again.

Here is a pic of where I took the side shot of my Daughter's Merc and how it shows the Cavitation plate (the big wing on the bottom) running 3-4 inches low from the boats bottom. Depending on the boat model and outboard some recommend running 1 inch above the bottom. If this is true of my model (the manual will sometimes tell you where to mount it) then I'm 5 inches too low:

Tthis pic is not showing the motor upright either. If I moved the pin another hole on the trim, it would be yet another inch lower in that pic.


DSC01545.jpg
 

DonHof

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

My 14.75 is in with a 30 sure hope it goes faster then 10 mph, if not I'm going to be pi_ _ed.
 

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My 14.75 is in with a 30 sure hope it goes faster then 10 mph, if not I'm going to be pi_ _ed.

I wouldn't be concerned because I noticed even on the new Lund 14 footers they have dropped the max HP from 40 to 30 hp for 2010. Mine is 40 and to be honest 40 is a little overpowered for anyone new to boating or if someone else is driving and unaware how fast you can get into trouble if the boat is overpowered.

Like I mentioned above the 2006 4 stroke Merc 30hp was 40 lbs heavier (I think) than the 2007 40 EFI model.

The newer 4 stroke outboards are a lot lighter, so 30hp should be fine.

The starter of this thread has other issues too besides his outboard being a lower gear ratio Bigfoot.

I used to hit 22 mph by GPS with a 2005 9.9 Merc 4 stroke tiller on a 13 foot Sylan Alaskan Deluxe. I used a tiller extension and sat on the middle seat. Dangerous though because you don't have good control doing that.

So a 30 should be OK for you. Usually you only see 25 hp on 14 foot aluminums anyway.

Can't tell why he's only getting 10 mph until he gives us more info on his setup.

Don, before you drive out of the dealership check the manual or installation instructions that come with the boat for where the cavitation plate should be for your model. My manual says up to 1 inch above the bottom of the boat. Put motor in a verticle position and step back on the side of the boat and see where they installed yours.

If I knew to do this it would have saved me many hours in my driveway adjusting it up with a jack and chains. I went two holes the first time took the boat out next trip and had to do it all over again, because two holes was too high.

Don't depend on the dealer to know any of this. They toss the outboard on and walk away!
 

DonHof

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

Expidia,

I already ask him about that and he said 1 inch above the bottom of boat.
I think I have a pretty good dealer. Been in the boat business 35 years.
He said he already ripped Lund a new A_ _ for shipping my boat with out seats.
 

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

here is a pic of the height....sounds lik its about right on...right at 1 inch above the bottom of the boat...

http://s908.photobucket.com/albums/ac288/pettle5495/

Well it sure looks right on target. So at least you have ruled out incorrect motor height. Cause adjusting the motor up or down a hole is a pain.

Sweet looking rig.

Did you get a chance to record the limits on the capacity plate.

And what prop did it come with and which did you try with no difference?
 

pettle

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

do you know what I might use to check the RPM's on the water short of installing one permanently? That will be my last resort short of taking it to the shop. Also I have a 14 prop on it, I had an 11 last year and thought switching it up would do the trick but it did very little. Thanks again for your input folks!
 

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do you know what I might use to check the RPM's on the water short of installing one permanently? That will be my last resort short of taking it to the shop. Also I have a 14 prop on it, I had an 11 last year and thought switching it up would do the trick but it did very little. Thanks again for your input folks!

I'm surprised your rig did not come with one. Mine has a 4 inch tach and speedometer. My daughters 14 foot rig with the mercury 25 2 stoke on it did not come with a tach so I bought one online and will install it when I get the boat back from the shop putting in the new prop seals (it was dripping a little oil). I picked it up online for like $42 for a Teleflex tach plus $12 shipping. It's a 3 inch model and it's still huge. You might want to get the 2 inch model. It's cheap insurance from over revving your outboard and blowing it up. I think my manual says stay below 5500.

alternatively, you could buy one a a local store, use it and then return it (I didn't say that, you must be misreading my post). Maybe walmart carries a cheap tach that will read an outboard. They take anything back. You can get away with a bigbox store returning something but don't try it with a dealer. Or I wouldn't buy something from a Mom and Pop type store knowing I'm going to return it. Is there a Cabelas, Overton's, Gander Mountain or a Bass pro shop near you. If not try west marine. I love returning stuff to rippoff west marine stores and then buying same item for 30% less with free shipping and no tax on the web. I bought 4 self locking motor bolt nuts from West last year out of desperation cause you are only suppose to use those nuts with the plastic inserts once. So West only charged me $5 a nut :eek:
 

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Expidia,

I already ask him about that and he said 1 inch above the bottom of boat.
I think I have a pretty good dealer. Been in the boat business 35 years.
He said he already ripped Lund a new A_ _ for shipping my boat with out seats.

Nice. . . I did the same thing and bought from an experienced dealer. I even shopped a few places from where I live out to a 100 mile radius. Got two other quotes knowing I would give the Lund dealer near me the busness if he came close. He was great on the pricing and not only did he have a dealership close to my house he also had a marina on Lake George which is a lake we frequent that is 32 miles long.

Well he has been in business 35 years . . . Sweet. Oops, I'm the kiss of death. One year after I bought my boat from him he sold out after 35 years :eek: :mad: :eek:
 

nodima

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

I have a 16' Alaskan with a 2004 Bigfoot 25 on it. You should be able to get 20mph with the lighter hull you have.

First things first, buy a tiny tach. http://www.tinytach.com/tinytach/index.php

Without knowing what you are running for RPM's it is tough to diagnose the issue. My gut feel is that a 14 pitch prop is too much prop for the application. I have 3 props, the 2 best are a 10.88x11 and an 11.25x10. Either of these push me solo at about 20, and with another guy at about 15-16.

It sounds like your engine is at a good height.
 

bigrat67

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

I two have the same problem with my 97 explorer 16ft. I purchased this boat this winter, it had a 48 specal johnson on it. I replaced it with a new 20 merc. 4 stroke, as the lake I fish on has a hp limit of 20. I was told by lund dealer that the cav. plate should be even with the bottom of the boat. So thats what I did. it gave me a wopping 8 mpr. at 4800 rpm. The book that came from merc. with the outboard said operating range was from 5400 to 6100 rpm. So I replaced my 10 pitch prop with a 8 pitch prop. Now I get 10 mph at 6000 rpm????? with me at 200 lbs and my son at 120 lbs. The boat is rated for a 60 hp and 760 lbs of people and gear. I dont think this boat would plane if it had a hemi in it lol. Any ideas? Thanks
 

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Re: 14 foot lund (speed issue)

I two have the same problem with my 97 explorer 16ft. I purchased this boat this winter, it had a 48 specal johnson on it. I replaced it with a new 20 merc. 4 stroke, as the lake I fish on has a hp limit of 20. I was told by lund dealer that the cav. plate should be even with the bottom of the boat. So thats what I did. it gave me a wopping 8 mpr. at 4800 rpm. The book that came from merc. with the outboard said operating range was from 5400 to 6100 rpm. So I replaced my 10 pitch prop with a 8 pitch prop. Now I get 10 mph at 6000 rpm????? with me at 200 lbs and my son at 120 lbs. The boat is rated for a 60 hp and 760 lbs of people and gear. I dont think this boat would plane if it had a hemi in it lol. Any ideas? Thanks

That rig needs at least 70% of the max HP. A 40hp would get you going OK and of course it really needs a 60 hp to perform like it was designed too. But why ask if your lake has a max 20 :confused:

As you know now nothing worse than an underpowered rig.

Is your boat a tiller or side console. If it's a tiller you could move the battery up front and use an extension handle and steer from the middle seat. I used to do that on a 13 foot Sylvan aluminum with a 9.9 Merc 4 stroke I could get it up to 20 alone from the middle seat but I also found the lack of steering control dangerous using the extension.

If possible, I'd find another lake to boat on and get the dealer to swap you up to at least a 40!
 
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