1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

[dozerII]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Glen: Question: Did you use spray 90 instead of the vinyl glue for the floor as well? I must be getting old cause I cannot remember!

Take care fellas,

Jim

I did Jim, what I have found is the glue holds really well but the edges have to have a mechanical fastener. It actually says that in the instructions for the Nautalex.
Looking forward to your experiment with the Spar.

 

[InMotion]

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Thanks Glen!

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Some more progress this morn....

This is my "experiment" poor on spar. Not sure if the picture does it justice... but it looks like glass in real life. Truth is, it has yet to dry... it takes a while. Which is really odd, because after about 2 hrs with the can open, the stuff turns to goo!



Transom board is in place and ready to be bolted in place:


Bigger part is, that I was riveting the floor in place this morn. Got the rear pc secured with a few rivets, but the second piece of the floor I am going to have to trim about a 1/4" off of one of the doublers. I new it was a tight fit... but I just cannot get the floor pcs to line up tight and have the second floor pc even in the boat. Without it being even (centered) the floor will be at a different height to the other pc which means that it will look carp. So... pics tomorrow on the success!!!

Have a great day fellas.

Jim

 

[odyssey350kc]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

When I got my transom back in my boat it felt like things were finally coming together, must be something about the thickest part of the boat being all new and sturdy.

The pour on spar looks good too, nice protective barrier.

 

[nature1100]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Transom and floor look great!!! Look forward to doing all these steps myself, but I am only at the teardown stage of my rebuild.

 

[dozerII]

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Morning Jim, boy I have memories of the same thing happening to a couple of my doublers, measured and measured and it still didn't fit.:facepalm:
Transom looks real good.

 

[GA_Boater]

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Jim - Is the doubler being held up by the foam? I had had a little interference since the floor is twice as thick at the doubler. Just something to look at.

 

[barato2]

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i vote for foam interference too. it actually made one of my floor panels warp because i left it sitting on there without riveting and the sides were higher due to foam than unsupported center.

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Ya... checked it. Double checked it.... looks like because the boat was designed with a round floor, they didn't really focus to much on keeping the ribs even at the tops all the way along. As a result, from one to the next there is in some cases quite the difference. So, what I have done is added 4 more doublers near the outside of the hull, screwed and glued and that's keeping the floor pieces nice and tight together. No biggie... but something to keep in mind when I do the falcon as well!

Also, I figured out a self created problem --- which in the end is fine as it will be hidden with the side panels I will be creating ---- it's just the principle of it that bugged me for a bit. So, I was about to rivet the rear most floor piece in place and I thought, "geeze I should just double check where the end of the Z channel is in the middle of the floor". So, I gently lifted the floor up, checked it and put it down.

What I didn't realize was that the floor moved out from the transom a bit on the back right --- like maybe a 1/4" tops. So, I riveted it in place and moved on to put the next piece in place and well --- yup, in order to line it up, it is out of square, which is why I had to trim the doubler.

However, as is most things over distance, the problem amplifies itself and as a result, the front floor pc is a good 3/4" offset to keep them nicely fit and minimizing the seem! Not ideal... but what can you do... not really interested in ripping the whole thing out to fix an issue that will only be seen by me right now and 30 years down the road. Main thing is that the seems are nice and tight. Just a reminder to always re-check squareness once something has been disturbed --- even slightly.

Ok... spar --- after reviewing the results.... good results... but going to go with the traditional foam brush as pouring will was a ton and make a mess of the bow when I put the dash pad on and the rear wooden sun deck/hatch (a little hint of what will be done interior wise with wood! )

Have a great evening fellas and thanks for the thoughts and info!

Jim

 

[InMotion]

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Hey Fella's,

Ok... so floor is completely installed. Just needs a last coat of spar and it is ready for vinyl floor:




So I started mocking up the interior.... and me thinks that what I had planned to do for the front seats may be a little ummmm heavy and difficult to get in and out of.... Here's a really rough couple of mock up shots...







As you can see I planned on building a complete front bench seat... now keep in mind that the 2x6 would not be there and where that is would be at the height of the top of gunwale. Hmmmmmm.... still doing the usual starcraft stare and trying to decide which direction to go. I have really considered just picking up a couple of seats and pedestals and putting them in place instead.


More in next post in a minute....

 

[jasoutside]

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little ummmm heavy and difficult to get in and out of....

Nah, I don't think so. From the dock you can just jump in the bow side or the stern side. From inside the boat, since you have that lower section in the middle I suppose kanucks can just go back and forth no sweat.

Two things I may throw out to ya...

Maybe lower the seat backs a smidge? Maybe 4"ish? Tough to tell since I can't stand there with ya.

And, have you thought about going this alternate route?

Wise Deluxe Lounge Seat - Walmart.com

Not that those are any better, just different thought.

Cheers man!:joyous:

 

[InMotion]

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part two.... so... the back seat I am going to build a bench seat with what is effectively a "sun deck" which will act as hatch as well.





Sooo there you have it... more progress... more thought... more possibilities...


Have a great brrrr cold Saturday!

Jim

 

[dozerII]

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Morning Jim, floor looks real good. What if you were to make the low center between the seats hinged for access and maybe an arm rest. Flip it down to go fore and aft or leave it up if you have a little one between ya.

 

[jasoutside]

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Morning Jim, floor looks real good. What if you were to make the low center between the seats hinged for access and maybe an arm rest. Flip it down to go fore and aft or leave it up if you have a little one between ya.

That sounds like a build challenge but no doubt an excellent idea!

If you decide to go that route, lemme know. I have some hinges that might help ya.

 

[InMotion]

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Thanks for the input guys....

Jason --- thank you for the offer... I may take you up on it! To give you specs... the floor to seat base will need to be 8-9" which leaves only 11-12" to the top of the gunwales. I'm thinking to make the back of the seat high enough for comfort it needs to be at least 16-18". So the top of that board (which I just happened to have) brought it 20". Hmmmm a little lower... would work fine for sure. Top of the gunwales unfortunately, is to low. Course, I'm 6 4" --- so a 24" back feels nice to me!

Glen --- I like the flip down center section. I have considered it as well...

The other part of the equation is that I have yet to figure out how to do the side panels like I did in the Jup... and make them easily removable! The back seat and hatch will be structured in place and side panels will butt up to it... so no issue there. It's the front that has me puzzled. I have to be able to have the panel out to bolt the controls in place and then put the panel in place. I just haven't figured out a way to keep the front seat in place and be able to take out/put in place the sides!

To me, usually when it gets complicated... it needs a re think.... but that's prolly just cause of my pea sized Canuk brain!

Keep the thoughts coming fellas..

 

[jbcurt00]

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Since you have the hull brackets already on both sides, how does a plank & 'typical' fold-down seats mounted to the plank sound? You can use swivel or swivel & slide bases. Lets you get mounted fairly low in the hull, but if you're tall, slide back from the wheel some for comfort & ease of getting in & out (swivel helps alot w/ that too)....

You doubled the deck under the seat locations, just in case you went pedestal? Good thinking ahead for the pending new owner when you're done...

 

[lakelover]

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starcraft stare

I think you've invented a new phrase for the renovation language.

I never even considered a built-in bench with backs like you're doing, I think that could work out pretty sharp. I had front seat access considerations for people with troubled knees though. I hear ya on double checking the square & measurments if you move something. I learned my lesson on re-checking after I belatedly discovered that my 4' ruler was 47-7/8" long! Needless to say, it got demoted.

I can imagine it would take that poured urethane forever to cure.

 

[GA_Boater]

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Waking up to puzzlers today, IM.

On the side panel/control thing. Put the panel and control in place, then install the seat. I don't think you plan on pulling the control often, do you?

The seat is more complicated. The fold down center is going to be difficult because you need a way to stop the center from over-rotating back if a person is sitting there and leans back. You will have to rig some positive stops some how and keep it nice looking. Know what I mean? I like the idea if the details can be worked out. I used to have an old early 80's Chrysler LeBaron K-car 2 door with a front bench seat and folding center. No idea how they engineered the thing, but the mechanism was totally hidden, unlike the flaws in the car.

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1964 Starcraft Jet - Rebuild

Since you have the hull brackets already on both sides, how does a plank & 'typical' fold-down seats mounted to the plank sound? You can use swivel or swivel & slide bases. Lets you get mounted fairly low in the hull, but if you're tall, slide back from the wheel some for comfort & ease of getting in & out (swivel helps alot w/ that too)....

You doubled the deck under the seat locations, just in case you went pedestal? Good thinking ahead for the pending new owner when you're done...

JB --- aaaaahhhhh no. I wasn't thinking that way at the time.... of course that would make sense... I'll remember that one for the falcon!


LL --- I found out my 4' level was bent.... man didn't some shelves go in crooked recently! It is now a decoration!

Ya... took a another looooong stare and I think I have a plan that will work:

- by keeping the tops of the seats at the gunwale height and using the brackets, I can halve the structure needed if I were building a removable seat.
- Also figured out how to build a removable panel for the drivers side.
- I'm thinking of building in a step behind the seat vs dropping the seat back down... this way I can have one structure member at the top of the seat to hold the seat back as well as a nicely curved top piece to hide everything below!
- Behind the front seats to the back seats, the side panel will be able to be made removable
- If I structure the front seat, back seat and back deck first, I will be able "fill in the blanks" next.

Look... it could go well... or I'll just end up buying seats. In the end, if I don't try, I won't know!

Sometimes you just gotta take a chance n' poop yur pants!!

Have a great one fellas!

Jim

 

[ezmobee]

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I love the seating LL has in his Jet.