1967 80hp johnson outboard

scook1

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I have a 1967 80hp jonhson . the problem i have is the unit is in gear and will not shift to nuteral . there is a blue and a green wire that end close to the coil but are not conected to any thing and i cant see any where they would hook up to .
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

Howdy, SCook.<br /><br />Your gearbox is in forward if both solenoids are unengaged.<br /><br />Get a manual and troubleshoot why your shifter buttons are not activating the solenoids.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

where are the solenoides and do you khow where the green and blue wires should hook up
 

ledgefinder

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

The solenoids themselves are down in the lower unit, the green and blue wires connect to them. Apply 12V to one (forget which) and you should be in neutral, apply it to both & you should be in reverse. <br /><br />As JB says, a manual would be a huge timesaver here. On the other hand, they're not free, so if you're messing with it without one, try a search on "solenoid" on this site. That should tell you which single wire you need to hit to get neutral. Then look at the wiring coming in from the remote control (up by the steering wheel) and, using a voltmeter or 12V trouble light, figure out which wire goes live when you put the remote control into neutral, and which two go live when you put it in reverse. If alls well, make your connections & you're done.<br /><br />That said, the fact that the green and blue wires are disconnected makes me suspect that somebodies already probed the situation and found out that your solenoids are dead. If you hit 'em with 12V and the lower unit doesn't shift, you've either got to give up, or pull the lower unit & see what's going on. Fixing the lower unit may cost you more than the motor's worth, if the problem is more than just the lead wires. But you can at least run the above tests - if the thing does shift then maybe it's worth buying a manual for it.
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

I have messed you up. I looked at the manual last night, and the 1967 80hp is a fully electric shift, not the electro-hydraulic. The 'no voltage' state for your lower unit is neutral, not forward. Powering one of the leads should put you in forward, powering the other (but not both) should put you in reverse. I couldn't tell which wire (green or blue) is which, but they mate up with same-colored wires under the hood - blue to blue, green to green. There are some sharp veterans on this board who ought to know a lot about those old selectric shifts, but I have never messed with one. <br /><br />The 1969-72 V4s use the electro-hydraulic lower units, where the no-voltage state is forward. I got that confused with your earlier one, where the no-voltage state is neutral.
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

I looked at the motor llast night and could not find the wires coming up from the lower end of the motor . how do the wires run from the lower unit
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

I have an old selectric here...<br /><br />nightmare things they are...<br /><br />There are two big electro magnetic clutches attached to toothed gears in the foot of your gearcase.. they both spin free of the probshaft when no power is supplied..<br /><br />depending on which clutch gets engaged, the proshaft locks with that gear and the prop will spin in that direction..<br /><br />ditto with the other clutch.. but don't connect both at once or you could damage something..<br /><br />The clutches do some weird stuff.. and they get chewed up on the mating surfaces...<br /><br />I took mine apart years ago, and after a clean up, I swapped the forward and reverse clutches around. (they were identical, but reverse was less worn out.)<br /><br />It worked for ages, but I also had problems with the wiring to them down the inside of the leg..<br /><br />IT had deteriorated and then melted on the exhaust.. got stuck out on the water with an outboard that ran, but would not go into gear..<br /><br />I got around that by drilling a hole above the foot and running the wires up the outside of the leg, epoxied into place..<br /><br />It worked, but it was god ugly..<br /><br />In your case, you will need to drop the leg off and pull the foot apart, take off the prop, there are 4 screws inside the end you need to get out. (an impact driver would be handy.) once those four screws are out, you should be able to slide the assembly out.. watch out for the wire guard holding the clutch wires out of danger, you will have to use a screwdriver to hold the guard back while you slide the gear assembly out..<br /><br />I did it, and without a manual.. so anyone can..<br /><br />Some notes.<br /><br />1. When you slide the leg down.. watch out.. mine had roller bearings on the shaft and they fell out.. you need to catch them all.. (use grease to hold them in place when its time to reassemble.)<br />2. Check the water pump impeller while you have the leg down.<br />3. Watch how the wires run down the leg when you put it back together.. (be sure they are well away from the exhaust.)<br />4. There will probably be bits of the clutch material stuck in the clutch assemblies.. be sure to get it all out. (it may be what is causing the problem.) make sure there is no metal floating around the clutch coils.<br />5. Take careful note of how everything came apart so you can reverse the proceedure to reassemble. (I take photos with my digitqal camera at each step.)<br /><br />Thats all I remember offhand, as I said, it was a long time ago.<br /><br />A manual would no doubt have made the proceedure much faster for me.<br /><br />rgds<br /><br />Franki
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

After dropping the foot last night I found out that I must be wrong on the year of the motor . there are no wires leading into the foot but there is a shaft that when push or pulled puts the unit in gear do's any one know where the soleniod is located for shifting I think it might be in the leg . I have ordered the book for the motor but it will take up to 14 days to arrive .<br /><br />the model # for my motor is 80793R JOHNSON 80HP
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

Sounds like that's a manual shift - they made 1967 80hps with both manual and electric shift lower units (at least that's what my manual says). My apologies, really got you off on a wild goose chase, forget about solenoids. On the plus side, most would agree you've got a better motor there - the selectric shifts can cause a fair amount of trouble when they get older.
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

If it manual shift then what are the green and blue wires for . is it possible that the solenoid is located in the leg of the motor
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

As Franki says, the selectric has two magnetic clutches, both located right in the lower unit. They are co-linear with the prop shaft. There aren't any solenoids. <br /><br />If you've got three shafts going into your lower unit (propshaft, driveshaft & shiftshaft) then you have a mechanical shift lower unit. Another way to tell is the mechanical shift has two mechanical cables going to the motor (throttle & shift), plus the wiring harness. The selectric shift just has one mechanical cable (throttle) and the wiring harness. Take all of this with a grain of salt, I seem to be getting things messed up one this one a lot.<br /><br />Not sure what the blue & green wires are. Now that you have the lower unit off, might consider changing the water pump impeller, if you think you'll be putting the motor back in service.
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

Sounds like those blue and green wires might have been for T&T at one time.
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

What kind of control box do you have? If there are 2 cables coming out of it going to the engine, then your blue and green wires are maybe for tilt&trim like Rickd said, or maybe someone changed your motor from electric shift to a manual shift L/U
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

the motor is a 80hp electormatic johnson the control are one handle and 3 buttons
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

Scook1..... Your engine may have the decal stating that it is an "Electromatic Shift" engine but I would assume that someone simply changed the hood or added some decals, something of that nature.<br /><br />You DO NOT have a "Electric Shift" lower unit. Your lower unit IS a mechanical "Manual Shift" type lower unit.<br /><br />When a manual shift engine stays in gear such as you describe, and cannot be shifted to neutral or the other gear, it is usually due to having the shift rod come loose from (or incorrectly installed in) the brass shift connecter. There is a two (2) screw inspection plate in the midsection of the exhaust housing (the hsg between the powerhead & the lower unit) and another inspection plate in back of that one that when removed gives you access to that brass connector.<br /><br />If all is well at that brass conector, you have a problem at the shift linkage at the lower rear starboard (right) side of the powerhead (just watch what moves when you move the shift lever).
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

Is it possible that this motor has the wrong foot on it . there is no shift linkage on eather side of the motor just the throttle linkage. second qeuston is it posible to make this foot work.if yes how
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

You know, that's possible...stick a manual lower unit on an selectric motor, leave it in forward, and get out on the water. Worry about stopping later. I've done worse...especially when I hear the striped bass are running.
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

You know, that's possible...stick a manual lower unit on an selectric motor, leave it in forward, and get out on the water. Worry about stopping later. I've done worse...especially when I hear the striped bass are running.
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

Snook1..... NO Inspection Plate??? Even on the electric shift models, the inspection plate exists so that one can get at the inner inspection plate. On the electric shift models, the inner inspection plate has a downward tapered passageway where the electric shift cables transverse from the inside of the unit to the outside so that they can connected properly to the engine wiring harness.<br /><br />All of the older (1958 to 1968) V/4 OMC engines had that inspection plate.<br /><br />What is the "Model Number" of your engine so that we can pinpoint exactly what you have.
 

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Re: 1967 80hp johnson outboard

the model # for my motor is 80793R JOHNSON 80HP
 
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