1969 glasspar refloor

[headhunter2]

Re: 1969 glasspar refloor

Great, thanks man!!!! Pics soon to come!
I built a 17' Pygmy sea kayak from 3/16" Okuma marine ply, so I know the tedious work involved in cutting panels and mat, wetting, filling, sanding.... the list goes on.
What is your take on NOT using wood at all? What about honeycomb composite panels? I know it's an "out there" idea and twice to three time the price as wood. But think of the weight savings, time saved wetting glass over wood (especially both sides - as you stated was beneficial). Also, there is the re-assurance that it will never rot again. I realize in one of your posts you had stated that you planned on only keeping your boat for two or three years. By no means am I discounting your project. Bravo Zulu man! Not to mention the money saved.
I guess MY real question you is, would there be any way you could give me a rough break down of what your material costs were? No need to break it all down or detail it out. Just a quick estimate of what you think your deck project was start to finish. I have a rough idea of what you used, and I'm not asking for you to build me a shopping list. I.e. (2x12 stringer, a SH*T ton of epoxy resin, glass 1.5 oz., foam 3/4 or 5/8 ply, screws, filler, glass tape, primer, paint, non skid, plus all the extras sand paper etc.)
Here is a quick link for honeycomb panels is anyone else is looking with similar ideas:
http://www.lbifiberglass.com/NIDA/nida.html
Thanks again for all your help. Pics are in-process.

Well after all of this work THIS BOAT IS NEVER LEAVING..lol. When all is said and done I think I'll be into this about 800-900 bucks on the new stringers, deck, paint and carpet/vinal for the gunwalls. I used poly resin vs epoxy since the boat was built with poly in the first place. Yes epoxy is stronger but poly will still get the job done, my hull is 40 years old and still strong made from poly! As far as the honeycomb stuff you mentioned I would not use it because of the cost, unfamiliarity with working with it and you would still have to glass the joints anyways, other than that I think it would work if you wanted to use it. The 4x8 sheets of doug fir 3/4 thick exterior grade I used from lowes were only around 30 bucks each I believe, If i did it again I think I would use something thinner than 3/4 though It raised my deck a little but man is it strong. Hope this helps. I'm test running this weekend so pics to follow.

 

[son of a son of a sailor]

Re: 1969 glasspar refloor

Great to hear that you have pics of the test run, and good weather on Sunday. Thanks for the info. I'll go with poly, and wood for the deck. But I'm considering using these panels for the transom. I'll be posting a thread shortly - as I'm trying to find a way to replace the transom and have never seen a transom designed (so poorly) as ours. That reminds me, do you have glass up the INSIDE of your transom. From what I've been reading Larson/Glasspar was cheep on their glass to make really light boats. Does the inside of your transom - on the port/star side up under and next to the splash well - have glass over the ply? Mine doesn't, just bare ply hanging in the breeze. I'm trying to decide how to attack this. Any ideas? I'll be posting pics soon, with a thread that will ask how I should cut the top/splash well, and rebuild the transom. I have a few ideas on where to cut but would like to some input. I'll send you the link.
Thanks again for everything.
-E

 

[son of a son of a sailor]

Re: 1969 glasspar refloor

Here are a few pics to show you what I'm up against as far as the transom goes. I'm wondering if you look down the port/star gunnels to the stern, do you see bare wood on your transom? Maybe yours have been re-done once before.
Thanks

 

[headhunter2]

Re: 1969 glasspar refloor

son of a sailor, thanks for the pics. Thankfully someone in the past coated my transom with poly at a minimun. It was the only part of the boat that had wood vs mush in it thank god. While I was doing my deck I put some more poly on the transom, hopefully more life but If I had to do a transom job I would do a layer of glass over the inboard side with mold release to the current transom and bond the glass layer to the hull and then gut the transom with the cap on and fill with sea cast. You can youtube seacast to see how it is done and this site has some info on it. It looks like you are busting your cap so with the deck out and cap off you should be able to replace the transom with wood and make your own bonded fiberglass inboard coating...use 1708 biaxial for that by the way from what I have read on here, haven't done this job myself but looked into it incase I had/need to.

Cheers...dan

 

[headhunter2]

Re: 1969 glasspar refloor

Sea....ah I mean lake trials complete. Man can a new deck and stringers make a difference or what. I finally got everything done that had to be done to get to this point and one extra..the bimini top...and put her on a big lake today. With a mild chop I punched it and went to plane immediatly, which before took a while, and hit 33 on the gps. Handling was better and the solid deck felt great. This level of relief is comparable for a death sentence being taken away, I am so glad that this thing is in the water again and I am never going to sell her!!! A few more things to do but it's all cosmetic. Here are some pics....Will post more after beauty work is done.

At the dock after run with my son who helped drive...all dads out there involve your kids as much as safely possible with your boating and restore you wont regret it!!!

Cockpit view with the top

View of interior...the brown is going to go away, navy blue carpet on the hull and gunwall.

 

[bill0926]

Re: 1969 glasspar refloor

Howdy,
I am glad that I found this thread. Reading it has been helpful and motivational. I just bought the same boat. I have a G-3 that we really like but the wife wanted something with a little more room in and more comfort,this should work.
I did a refloor in my G-3 and it wasn't too bad. I have learned more about doing it from the forums. I will definetly resin the bottom of the floor.
The transom is in good shape and has glass up onto it and the sringers I believe have the heavy woven glass over them(from what I can feel through the holes in the floor).
Rest of the boat is in great shape and all there.
Will try to document the work.
Thanks for all of the tips.

 

[Nordica9]

Re: 1969 glasspar refloor

this is going slow due to work/family time consumption but I will get it done. Here's where I'm at got most of the floor out portside totally mush down to what appear to be the stringers stbd side not so bad but It all goes. Here is a pic of what I believe to be the stringers on this
http://s772.photobucket.com/albums/yy4/brewedin78/?action=view&current=IMG_3117.jpg

Looks like a 1x10 solid run for to aft of solid lumber that connects to glass at the keel and glass overlays over top to the hull with two cross members, foam underneath. Im new to boat restore but haven't seen anything like this on any post anywhere. Please if you have any input on this let me know. Im thinking of replacing the stringers if that is what they are with ply vs solid wood but im open to any inputs thanks.

Hey, I just picked up a 69 Citation with a stern drive. Just started diving into redoing the floor and I came to the forum to look for some info. Looks like your photos dropped out from your restore on your Citation. Curious if you still have them or have any tips/tricks going forward.

So far I have the center section of the deck off and have exposed the stringers. They are well fiberglassed and look to be in good shape. Its hard to tell what actually is going on. Next to the stringers is foam and what appears to be more decking that is on top of the foam between that and the old floor. It's all pretty rotted so it's coming out.

I was hoping to steal a couple pics from you to get an idea of what I'm dealing with as I continue to gut the old floor and rebuild.

Cheers