1971 17' Invader Tri-Hull Restoration, The Madness Begins

glnbnz

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Yeah you forgot to mark the Wasp's nest, although that and mud dobber's are so common around here I think I saw one of those also lol :lol:
 

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TP, the only thing I have done under there is pull some wire out of the way to take photos of what was behind them.

After all the years I spent in Industrial and Mechanical situations, not to mention my OCD, :rolleyes: it's all getting ripped out and redone. I have had nightmares about the helm every since I looked under it.

Bad thing is, even cluttered, everything worked other than the horn and it is disconnected from the switch. Wire runs don't have to look pretty for current to pass and there isn't a problem with crosstalk or eddy currents, but it just raises the hackles on the back of my neck. :dizzy:

The open ended blue butt splices are a problem waiting to happen, and the is one connection where the insulation was peeled back and a second wire wrapped around the first; not even any electrical tape. :facepalm:

Jeesh!
 

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I think bees nests under dash come stock on most boats.....mine must have been special order, It had 6 :rolleyes:
 

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I think bees nests under dash come stock on most boats.....mine must have been special order, It had 6 :rolleyes:

Darn! I knew I should have offered less and held out for more. Mine only had 2 that I have found so far.:jaded:
 

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I have PDF of standard boat wiring courtesy of another site, I would happy to share it with you as i might save you a bunch of CAD work. I used it when I replaced my gauges on my 89 Invader, and even though it was from another Manufactures site the color code matched. PM me if interested and I can email it to you.

I also have had bad weather and no time to work on my project. Have a great evening

Mike
 

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I have PDF of standard boat wiring courtesy of another site, I would happy to share it with you as i might save you a bunch of CAD work. I used it when I replaced my gauges on my 89 Invader, and even though it was from another Manufactures site the color code matched. PM me if interested and I can email it to you.

I also have had bad weather and no time to work on my project. Have a great evening

Mike

Yeah, we're at the start of Cyclonekanadoe season and we just had about an hour of the biggest rain drops I have ever seen fall. Wind has picked up something fierce and there is a fast moving front just passed us. Look like it extended from down in Texas all the way up to Chitown.

Got to love living in Cyclonekanadoe Alley!
 

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Mud Puppy, I can understand your wanting to clean up the wiring under the dash even if everything works. I too have that same problem. I have to fix every little thing to make it look clean, wired correctly and routed properly too, knowing nobody would ever know one way or the other... It is just the way I'm wired... :embarassed:
 

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Yeah you forgot to mark the Wasp's nest, although that and mud dobber's are so common around here I think I saw one of those also lol :lol:

Glenn, missed seeing your post somehow, just read it now.

Yeah, the "Dirt Dobbers" round here are Yellow and Black, Blue, Red, and there is a "Mini Blue". They are all pretty much to themselves unless unless you should go chasing them and they get mad. I once opened my bedroom window and the re was a Big Blue behind it on the storm window screen. I guess the vibration from the old wooden sash must have irritated him or it might have been the loose pane vibrating at such a pitch as it set him off in some sort of spastic fit, something had made him mad as he came out gunning for me.

Now for the Paper Wasps, we call Yellow Jackets (never understood that as they are Dirty Reddish Brown)...

they are born into this world tenacious and wake up every morning, mad at the world and everybody in it, madder than the day before.

If you look at them they take it as your are challenging them and their territory, their offspring (born or unborn), insulted their mother, stepped on their daddy's grave, made fun of their speech impediment, shot spit wads through the soda straw you snuck out of the lunchroom (not the regular spit wads, but the ones you took straight pins (the ones with the little plastic balls on the head) and tied thread onto to make fletchings, you stuck a spit ball onto just to add some ballast for a truer sustained flight), knocked the block off of their shoulder, stepped across the line they drew in the dirt with the tip of their shoe, cheated at marbles or pick up sticks, and stuck the tip of their pony tail in an ink well, 0-60, "you spent money on what for the boat!" mad & irate momma kinda mad.

It is best you look down, never looking them into the eyes and back ever so slowly out of their way never to tread that way again (until you get some of that pressure wasp and hornet killer that sprays 127' 3-13/16" before it starts to disperse its pin point type stream).

Bumble Bees are another thing that once riled up will strike at anything that moves. I have ran trough nests in the hay meadows while cutting hay and had literately hundreds fill the air till they formed a black and yellow cloud. Next time through, even though you were several feet away, they were still mad, but if you just froze, you could see them strike the tractor tires, the fan blades on the engine, or the exhaust clapper on the stack.

My little brother-in-law and I were plowing a field once years ago, me on a 4020 with a 6 bottom semi-mounted plow and him on a 3010 and a 4 bottom fully mounted 3PH plow. I was ahead of him and on the opposite end of the field to keep from running into one another. I had plowed through an old trash pile someone had near their fence but in our field, containing a Bumble Bee's nest. Vance (who was only 10 or 12 at the time) ran through the swarm. He would have been alright (and he knew what to do), but one of them went in the hole in the back of his ball cap, the one above the sizing snap, and had stung him trying to get out. He somehow got the tractor up in park, jumped off, flailing arms and cap back at them, and came running diagonally across the unturned sod towards me. I tried hollering at him several times to fall to the ground and lay flat and silent. When he finally heard me above his own screams, he did what I had said getting stung a couple more times. The bees, bored with his actions, headed towards me and the tractor I was on. I sat motionless for several minutes. When they left, I ran as fast as I could and got the fuel truck and returned to pick him up and rush him off to the E.R.

Over 37 stingers (that we identified and pulled later at home) and probably more we didn't find in his scalp; all they did was tell me to give him something for the pain and antihistamine for the allergic reaction and sent us home. To this day, he has to carry an Epiepen with him at all times.
 

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Mud Puppy, I can understand your wanting to clean up the wiring under the dash even if everything works. I too have that same problem. I have to fix every little thing to make it look clean, wired correctly and routed properly too, knowing nobody would ever know one way or the other... It is just the way I'm wired... :embarassed:

It's just kinda weird in a way, but I know it's there, and I just have to fix it thing. There is some really ugly looking glass work under one of the bow seats on one of the glass stringers and a place up by the anchor locker that's getting sanded down and fixed too!

I know that cushions will be covering those areas 99.9% of the time, but they are still getting fixed.
 

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... there is one connection where the insulation was peeled back and a second wire wrapped around the first; not even any electrical tape. :facepalm:
The "peel and wrap" is SOP in the auto world ! However the do wrap it with "friction tape" (non-drying cloth backed tape) and then protect the loom with either adhesive-less vinyl tape or convolute tubing.
 

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For some/most of us, fixing the stuff nobody will ever see or come in contact with is like sitting in the boat on that absolutely perfect day with your best hanging with you, a line or 3 in the water, cold drinks, munchies, soft summer breezes, the lines go taught, the biggest fish get landed, and you don't have a care in the world...because you know it is done right!;)
Happy Friday!:D
 

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The "peel and wrap" is SOP in the auto world ! However the do wrap it with "friction tape" (non-drying cloth backed tape) and then protect the loom with either adhesive-less vinyl tape or convolute tubing.

Yeah, when I was working with my bucket the other night it was acting up. Here is a photo of the "Professional" splice job:

:facepalm:
 

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For some/most of us, fixing the stuff nobody will ever see or come in contact with is like sitting in the boat on that absolutely perfect day with your best hanging with you, a line or 3 in the water, cold drinks, munchies, soft summer breezes, the lines go taught, the biggest fish get landed, and you don't have a care in the world...because you know it is done right!;)
Happy Friday!:D

Happy Friday to you too!

I wasn't able to reply until just now. I thought of a cuss word and had to get ready to go into that 4-letter word for one last day this week.

Once at work I've been playing Catch-up on a B.O.M. for a 737 Bonded Assy. and haven't had any time until just now. It was a last minute thing and I had to push a Military Unit out of the way for it.
 

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GM, GT and the rest, this is why I am so @n@l retentive about the wiring thing:

This was a nearly 3 month project, every day setting just inside of a cabinet door for 8 hrs a day...

stripping wires, labeling wires, terminating wires:











It was an old 4 door 20'L x 8'H x 30"D telephone cabinet with a PLC window at the bottom of one door and completely empty when I got it. We sand blasted it and repainted the interior and exterior of the cabinet.

I ran 800A of 480Vac 3ph through a fused knife switch and used 400A junction blocks to tap off and distribute the incoming power for 2 460Vac Softstarts, one 45HP and one 65HP, then tapped off of 200A junction blocks to handle individual 3ph fuse blocks for 10 NEMA 1 motor starters each set up on timers which had to time out before passing cascading control voltage on to the next NEMA starter, meaning no matter how fast they turned on the switches on the door at start up, the pump motors would only come on so fast, thus affecting our Peek Power consumption for the week.

My 480 was all in the first two doors of the cabinet and then I had all of my low voltage AC behind Door #3. I had an MCR/ E-Stop relay which Mastered all of the control voltage for the whole Process Line. The MCR controlled 2 Slave MCRs which when energized, controlled all of my 120Vac for Tank Lid Motors and their contactors and all of the ice-cube relays setting up wired Relay Logic for FWD/ Rev direction of a standard single speed, single direction 110Vac motor. It also housed all of my Wet Tank location Start Stop Stations which I ran 24Vac to. It was too far to run 24Vdc to due to voltage drop, but I also had some 24Vdc signal voltage for some Tank Level Switches. All of the 24Vac had to be ran perpendicular to higher voltage wiring to minimize Eddy Current cross chatter on unshielded conductors.

There was over 5 miles of conductors between the 220' Tank Room and the Rectifier Room where the control cabinet was located (which was a wall apart) ranging from 000 to 20ga and I had over 1800 terminations that I made just in this cabinet alone and had only 3 miss-wired. Swapped 2 of the 3 and the 3rd had a break in it as it came from the spool that way; I just didn't catch it. In this same room I also had 200A of 480Vac 3ph I rectified into 3500A of 16Vdc to anodize A/C aluminum.

This was a lot of fun putting together as I used to work on much larger control panels, sub-stations, 300Hz Freq converters (the old fashion type using slip rings) and the newfangled digital Freq converters, and a 72 battery 35KVA 480Vac/208Vac Buss UPS backup system, not to mention a Municipal Swimming Pool Heater used just to heat water which circullated in a "wet" closed loop Fire Suppression system for a 14 acre facility (14 acres of building, not property). We had 7 different brands of PLCs, some domestic, some German and I could program in all of them. One of the 17 Allen Bradly PLCs was used to control HID lighting down in Packing and Shipping only. All of the A/Bs fed back into a centrally located Maintenance office where we could monitor and change programing remotely from that location, all back in the late 80s/ early 90s.

Jeesh, no wonder I gave all of that up for Aviation!
 
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Yeah, OK...your point being...;):laugh:

JK, that is some mighty fine wiring and one that I would be willing to troubleshoot, if, of course it should ever need it...:cool:
 

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Mud puppy, I feel your pain... I deal with those kinds of rats neats on a monthly basis. I am the same way with any wiring project I do, it has to be OCD perfect or else it's not worth doing. :)
 

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You know GT, you are I believe the first that has even offered to troubleshoot and I think you would be one that could do it with success.

I finished it back in the spring of '05 and to this day, there hasn't been more than a CB reset go on in the cabinet. Even though I have shown how to reset the MCR a gillion times, when we would loose power, I had to run down and show them how to push the MCR Start Button...

EVERY FLIPPIN' TIME!

We have lost all three of the Soft-starts, the two in the cabinet and one on a fan deck, but they are just drop in units which are 'plug-n-play' other than the AC feed.

I would show off my handy work to people who have wire residential, commercial, and industrial for decades and they all said it was over their head and walk away.

Doesn't have much to do with boat building, but a lot to do with my OCD me thinks!
 

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Mud puppy, I feel your pain... I deal with those kinds of rats neats on a monthly basis. I am the same way with any wiring project I do, it has to be OCD perfect or else it's not worth doing. :)

I thought it was a family curse, but I guess being that way has payed off in my career. It really messes with the Captain since all of our children and grandchildren have inherited it, but one thing I can say in my defense...

our kitchen cabinets are always "dress-right-dress" and fully faced (sometimes daily)! :facepalm:
 

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Nice, my finish DC wiring usually looks like the first pic you tore into, and I usually never really know which wire does what...I just reconnect the tape markers I set lol :facepalm:

But I can make the cabinet that houses it look pretty :D
 

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Nice, my finish DC wiring usually looks like the first pic you tore into, and I usually never really know which wire does what...I just reconnect the tape markers I set lol :facepalm:

But I can make the cabinet that houses it look pretty :D

Them markers come in handy on reconnecting items which you had to remove and are ready to put back. I used to be so impatient that I would start ripping things out and then realize..."slow down there champ!"

Spent a lot of time tracing wires back to "hence they came", tugging a little here, a little there, and watching to see what moved.
 
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