1971 17' Invader Tri-Hull Restoration, The Madness Begins

glnbnz

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Re: 1971 17' Invader Tri-Hull Restoration, The Madness Begins

Yeah I like the phone closets...lol not. Sure wouldn't want to troubleshoot anything in there...I like networking now, run your cat5 or 6 cable and punch it down, mark both sides and you're done :)
 

Mud Puppy

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Yeah I like the phone closets...lol not. Sure wouldn't want to troubleshoot anything in there...I like networking now, run your cat5 or 6 cable and punch it down, mark both sides and you're done :)

We ran all of our IP/ OP using 50 pair to PLCs when we could. There was an old guy out of Joplin who was working the in-feed of a Laminator we were installing back in '91 and DAYS after we had started came up ask me what color a pair was and it was PUR/ BRN -BRN/ PUR. He thought it was RED/ BLU - BLU/ RED. :confused: :rolleyes:

I said "No". He then told me he was colorblind. :mad-new: I had to redo everything he had punched down. What a mess! Should have done it myself. :facepalm:
 

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Re: 1971 17' Invader Tri-Hull Restoration, The Madness Begins

Nothing real new on the boat so far. Have put away a few bucks for some materials, but had a hiccup with the Blasted Blazer again, so once I pick up the yard and mow in the morning, I am headed to the shop to finish up a few things (got a major audit scheduled for next week and have been working nearly round the clock on that), then to "HOPEFULLY" get that out of my hair.

Have been working on a few little things in my spare time, which left to the last minute, would take an extra day or so to fix. No real pictures however.

Got a really neat wiring diagram emailed to me (thanks Mike) and I have a ways to go before I really need it, but after all those years in Scouts; there's nothing like being prepared...

along with...

"Never go Fiberglass Grinding Alone"

Safety in numbers you know!

Y'all have a wonderful and safe weekend!
 

mr300z87

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You are welcome Rocky. You guys are talking my language up there ^^^^. I have been in the Telecom wiring business for over 25 years. Here is one of our best for a good laugh :facepalm:

The company I work for just acquired a another company and this is one of their closets. The closets on our campus DO NOT look like this. As stated above lots a labels and documentation do wonders. That's my co-worker so I blanked him out. Back to work Tomorrow, all have a good week.
Mike
 

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You are welcome Rocky. You guys are talking my language up there ^^^^. I have been in the Telecom wiring business for over 25 years. Here is one of our best for a good laugh :facepalm:

The company I work for just acquired a another company and this is one of their closets. The closets on our campus DO NOT look like this. As stated above lots a labels and documentation do wonders. That's my co-worker so I blanked him out. Back to work Tomorrow, all have a good week.
Mike

Wow, does that bring back some memories (and not so many good ones, I may still need therapy). I worked for a large Ready To Assemble furniture manufacturer back in the day (late '80s, early '90s), and they had this Data Processing Room with old IBM printers and a main frame that took one whole wall with all the tape drives. We updated to a Mini Frame with on the fly dual back up (we were always loosing drives and going down while they restored from a back up tape).

They created a new room a couple doors down and it was wonderful: raised floors, climate control, a nautical barometer and thermometer except when I (and 2 others) found that it was going don on Friday evening and we only had the weekend to reroute the cabling.

Most of it was IBM Twinaxial and Ethernet, 140+ Nodes (5 IBM connectors for every node) and it all had to be on line by Sunday evening. We worked round the clock and was done by 1430 Sunday afternoon.

Looked a lot like the picture of your co-worker at 100 hrs Sunday morning however. Man what a lot of soldering.
 

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Re: 1971 17' Invader Tri-Hull Restoration, The Madness Begins

Saturday I ended up working out in the yard and boy did I have a bunch to do. I was too busy last fall so there was the front yard to rake and then mow. The back yard just got leaf and twig mulch however.

The last reports I had to do came this morning after breakfast (the Captain has gone back home to help our eldest get ready for showing their house).

I managed to run by a dollar store and picked up a turtle shaped dog squeaky toy on the way to the shop. Why you ask? Will let me tell y'all.

To refresh your memories, when we last left our hero (not really, just grew up watching serial westerns as a kid on Saturday Morning and it sounds better than not), the Blazer had lost its timing chain and an timing set was bought and installed. The bolts were left loose on the fan and the water pump, and it ran horrible.

No matter what I did to time it, it wouldn't time where I thought it should be. I walked the plug wires around and it still didn't work.

Not being able to get to anything either was becoming a real headache too. I normally put a soda straw in the No. 1 cylinder to look for TDC, but they have literally poured 6 gallons into a 5 gallon bucket under the hood and I know it is even worse with newer vehicles. It times at 0? TDC. You don't have to find absolute TDC as you did years ago as the ECM will adjust for any minor error in timing. I have degreed in old small blocks and know the drill all to well.

I was afraid that I hadn't gotten the timing marks correct so I tore into it again. The old girl has over 250K miles on it and I was going to have to do valve guide seals again, so I ended up taking the valve covers off too.

As you all well know, the piston travels up twice per revolution, once on the exhaust stroke (Intake valve closed, Exhaust valve open) and once on the compression stroke (both valves closed), so finding the compression stroke with a gauge is the way to go when you can't use a soda straw. I have heard of people using a screwdriver, but I think that's just asking for trouble.

My cylinder gauge lens has so many scratches in it you cant hardly read it anymore so I robbed the hose years ago for pumping up the cylinders to do valve guide seals. I took the squeaky out of the turtle and used a short piece of clear vinyl tubing and a short piece of hose and attached it to the air fitting where the gauge once was. I inserted it into cylinder #1 and turned the crank. I know with the covers off, all I'd have to do is to spin the push rods to see if either valve is compressed, meaning there was a cam lobe pushing one up to open the valve, but I tend to be a doubting Thomas. Did the light realy shut off when I closed the refrigerator door thing (more OCD).





I turned the crank listening to the squeaky on the compression stroke, watching the timing marks and when they were both up, the crank and the cam sprockets, the squeaky stopped squeaking meaning the piston was at the end of its travel or close to it (remember, it only has to be close with the ECM). Please see attached Squeaky Toy Photo above (Sorry, no sound effects. You will have to imagine or make them yourselves).



Guess what I found? I cut the top off of an old cap to dimonstrate the rotor position and marked the #1 cylinder position on it:




The next photo has a screw driver pointing at #1 on the cap:


I bought the old girl used, but apparently someone had had the distributor out and put it back in a tooth off. With a sloppy chain, they probably had to to get it to time.

I would have pulled the distributor and changed it, but there are a couple of non-boaters (who will never see this post) at work and I wanted to show it to them before I put it back right.

With the Internal audit next week, I won't have much time to work on it, but while I have the tappet covers off, I am going to to the seals and it will be evenings and maybe some this next weekend (I am still driving the soccer mom van for now).

So with that said, I still should be able to get back on the boat REAL soon, I hope!
 

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Re: 1971 17' Invader Tri-Hull Restoration, The Madness Begins

Got a question for you all that have been around older boats for a while.

I was out in the shop today as our audit was rescheduled and I was looking at the engine setting there on the floor and it struck me, the connector isn't exactly the same as the plug.

The Female Connector on the engine is what is seen all over the internet and in all of the manuals I have. The cables have a different pin out than what I have however.

What I have found is a "10" pin (which only has 9 pins):
and

There seems to be three 10ga sockets and no pin socket number 4 which from all I can tell is the RED/ WHT Stripe wire from the Key Switch Start terminal and it runs to one side of the Slave Solenoid coil to energize it when made with the harness I have.

The Female Socket on my 165 looks like this:



Still only 9 pins, only two are 10ga sockets, the rest 16ga. I haven't ran any of the wires yet to see if the colors match up, but I'm pretty sure some of them are different than what I have found. There have been so many changes over the years and there didn't seem to be much of a standard until around the late '70s from what I can tell, but you would think within the same manufacturer, that the color code would have been a little more consistent.

My plug looks like this:


It has no pin #10 (which is the 9th pin). It appears to be minus the Trim Position lead which is the PUR/ WHT Stripe wire from all of the schematics I have found.





The Trim Position Indicator does have a PUR/ WHT Stripe wire under one of the nuts on the back side of the gauge but it doesn't appear to come from the harness, but along side of it. You can see clearly that it runs behind the Main Harness and is sheathed I believe in the Trim Pump Wiring Harness:



So I don't know what I have for sure. Guess I will wait until it gets warm again to find out. Oh, BTW, it snowed again today.

I also showed the guys at work what I had found on the Blazer, a couple of them thought I was a nut for using the Squeaky, but one of them thought I was a Genus.

I think I will side with him and the later description.

See y'all. Have a great week!
 

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Re: 1971 17' Invader Tri-Hull Restoration, The Madness Begins

I was hoping for a pic or vid of the donor turtle dissection ... :lol:
Nice ingenuity MP !
 

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Oh, boy....... mums the word :watermelon:

Thanks JB for helping to keep my secret!

Oh, BTW, I don't think I have ever gotten to use the:watermelon: yet, but someday maybe someday! :thumb: :rolleyes: :laugh:
 

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So glad Hump Day has come and went. We're on the down slide now! Just two more Mondays this week to deal with!

Made some progress with valve guide seals tonight after work. Only spent a little time however. Got Prime Source Inspection and GSI both coming in in the morning for a couple military units :juggle: so I quit before I got completely finished.

Was working about twenty foot away from the old gimbal housing setting on one of the benches; thinking about it all the time I was working on the Blazer, so I guess, (as I have been told that thinking about working on a boat restoration was "was working on a boat restoration") I was working on mine.

If I don't finish the Blazer this week :deadhorse:, I may work on removing the busted bolts out of my housing one night after work. Got a MAJOR EGG HUNT to go on this weekend, so I may not get as far as I would like.

Y'all have a blessed 4th Monday! :eagerness:
 

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Good good Friday to everyone. Got the afternoon off, so I went out and worked on the Blazer some this afternoon.

While I'm down this time I decided to replace the Valve Guide Seals and Umbrellas. Got all of the Seals and Umbrellas changed and got the valve lash close. I will run the valves as I get closer to running and probably run them with the engine running (I'm old school that way).

Since I was so close to being torn down anyway, I popped the Intake off. I had found I had a little vacuum leak when I was looking for bad vacuum hoses using Propane Enrichment. A small bottle and a hose work wonders for finding those hard to find leaks.

After I got everything blown off, I pulled the bolts and pulled the Intake loose:



Never seen such a stuck gasket set. I ended up using a small 90 Die Grinder and a Rollox Head. Blue just skipped along on top, so I switched to Brown and it mad short work of it.

Got the block all cleaned up. Now to clean up the intake and seal that baby back down:



Man have I got a mess over in tool storage:





Won't be able to work on it any more this weekend and it has to be running so I can get back on the boat. Man this weather is wonderful! The house back home needs some attention so my niece and nephew and their three babies can move into it and I got this major egg hunt to go on Sunday.

Happy Easter Everyone!
 

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Nothing new on the boating front.

Did have a VERY Good meeting with our Prime Contractor this morning. Three individuals came in from various locations to see what we were all about. I think they left somewhat impressed.

I suggested that we all take off early, and guess what? We all took off early. Yeah me!

Internal Audit all next week, and then maybe I can get back on the boat.

I did have time to do some tubing this afternoon:







I was kinda' hoping that this would spur and encourage me on to bigger and better things, like "Boat Restoration".

78? F tomorrow, 84?F Sunday. It's starting to look like summer is just around the corner.

Y'all be safe and have a wonderful weekend!
 

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Re: 1971 17' Invader Tri-Hull Restoration, The Madness Begins

Looks like great weather for some tubing ! :)
Or grinding and glassing which ever comes first .. :watermelon:
 

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So I'm going to try this again. I made a couple of posts here and they went away, so I don't know if this one will stay or not. I'm hoping it does, but you never know. Everyone's "Thumbs Ups" are gone.

It's been a while, hope everyone is doing well and they all had a Safe and Happy Memorial Day Weekend! May I say, Thank You to all that have served, or are serving now, from the bottom of my heart, I Salute You All!

tallcanadian would be so proud of me: I've had too much to do to work on the boat and make any progress, but my boss was getting ready to throw out a 4 burner LP gas grill with 1 side burner. He wanted to know if I wanted it and I said sure. The bottom was rotted out of it, the burners were in the bottom cabinet, and the lid was hanging down on one end.

When I was replacing the bottom, I found the nut for the RH hinge bolt and put it back together. Bought a piece of 18ga Cold Roll sheet stock, bent it, painted it with High Heat Header paint (it's way below the burners, so it only smoked for about 30 seconds) and replaced the rotten bottom. Cleaned the burners, checked the igniters (they all worked) and put the burners back in. Got an igniter for the side burner and installed it. When I fire it up, it never got over 220°F. I put a new regulator and hose on it, and all 4 burners on high; it goes to 550°F in under 6 minutes now.

All in all, about 70 bucks and some shining on the SS and it shimmers like a new one.

So Tall, if you ever make it to Missouri, we can BBQ in style! That also goes for all of my other iboat Brothers, zool, Woodonglass, jbcurt00, GT1000000, Decker83, gm280, sphelps, glnbnz, dovydaz, tpenfield, Three08, redneck joe (and sisters) too!

I don’t know how many people I have left out (lots I’m sure, but my friends list is missing and I don’t know where to find it if it even exists anymore).

Been making a lot of trips back home and trying to get ready for a new Foster Granddaughter, get our house finished so my niece and nephew-in-law, and their kiddies can move in and rented, and other things that have made weekends full.

Like I said in one of my posts that wasn't really a post as the post isn't posted anymore, I've got to get back on the boat or it will be Labor Day before you know it.

You all have a Glorious and Safe Weekend! :thumb: (Don't like the new Smilie's List much either, just saying!)
 
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Man has it been a while!

How are all my brothers and sisters doing out there? Hope all is well and that the waters are calm and warm where you're at.

Hopefully, if all goes well this weekend, I should be able to return to working on the beast and maybe post some updates. I had great intentions of getting the boat to splash by Memorial Day, but that didn't happen. Independence Day is just right around the corner, and if I don't start now, it'll be Labor Day before you know it.

I think I can get the transom done in a weekend and the floor, stringers, and foam in another weekend or two. I may be able to get enough back together to float it this year, but I don't think I'll be completely done with it for a while. Not enough time with work, nor enough of the "Green Tree Fruit"

Did get to come in to work yesterday at 300 hrs and didn't leave until 2200 hrs, then back at 700 hrs this morning. Yeah Me!
 

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Good to see your still kickin ! Yeah work can be a real drag on your boat resto stuff . But ya gotta pay at the bills ...
Been hanging out here#100 doing a special project .
Hope all is well ! SP...

Hmmm link didn't work . The re beginning of this thread starts at post 100
1974Ouachita Tri-hull bass boat restoration .
 
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