1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

[muskrat808]

Hello , Looking to buy a 1972 18' Holiday I/O . On sea trial it took on 1/2 gal of water after 30 min . Is this manageable with a bilge pump ? Could that much be coming from rivets or more likely transom penetration ? Should I walk away from this #3000 deal ? Thanks from a potential member of the Starmada !

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Quick questions...

Is this a $3000 deal or a 3000# deal?

If you buy it, would you have plans to tear out the deck and rebuild?

Have you got some photos/details of this rig?

If it's a $3000 deal, that should mean that the Holiday would be water ready or close to it. Or, have a nice solid driveline hooked to it anyway.

Cheers!

 

[MichaelP]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

If your planning to do a resto then a few loose rivits are easy to fix. If you must do a resto then 3K sounds high in this neck of the woods. I'm curious about the condition of the keel in the bow. Either way its aluminum and all fixable.

 

[muskrat808]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Quick questions...

Is this a $3000 deal or a 3000# deal?

If you buy it, would you have plans to tear out the deck and rebuild?

Have you got some photos/details of this rig?

If it's a $3000 deal, that should mean that the Holiday would be water ready or close to it. Or, have a nice solid driveline hooked to it anyway.

Cheers!

Hi- $ 3000 deal ( down from $3500 deal ) I'm in Oregon where I understand these Starcrafts tend to run higher in price . Reason I'm interested is that other Holidays I've looked at have been really neglected . This one has been with this gentleman for 20 yrs and under cover so the floor and transom wood seem solid .It has the original green vinyl(?) floor covering and original seats . He had some outdrive work done about 8 yrs ago but it hasn't had much use for a couple years . It seems to be water ready but I'm concerned about the leakage issue . I plan on boat/motor inspection before buying but that will be $500 I don't get back if I decide not to buy .I grew up in Michigan and my other boat option is to ship out the familys 1959 16' alumaraft with a 1963 40 hp envinrude , but the shipping quotes are in the $2500 and up range . I do know that boats history ( and it dosen't leak ) . I do love the Holidays and Islanders though and want this one to work but don't want a lemon obviously . Thanks for any additional input . At this point I don't see any reason to immediately rip up floor unless the leakage is coming from bottom rivets ( as opposed from the transom ) or if the foam is waterlogged . No pics at this time if I buy and becomes a resto that will change . Thanks

 

[muskrat808]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Hi, $ 3000 doesn't seem to be high here in Oregon ( at least for asking price , this asking price was $3500 ). Bow area keel looks OK at least from the outside .I plan on getting it inspected but that will run another $500 . I don't want to spend that if the leakage issue will take a lot of money and/or work to remedy . Thanks

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Hmmmm, tough call.

Well, as you know, too expensive for here in the mid west. Alas, you are a left coaster and that pretty well doubles your price point. Bummer dood.

I guess if you just take the price out of the mix you are still looking at a 40 year old boat that leaks. I suppose that if it was truly sheltered for the balance of it's life the deck/transom may have escaped rot and waterlogged foam. Take a look around this forum and that would be a rare boat indeed!

Worst case senerio, she would need to be rebuilt. The cool thing is everything is very fixable on these rigs. Best case, you can run er!

I think for me, the major piece of the puzzle would be that IO. Just bringing it up to date on regular maint stuff can be $$$. If there are issues that could be more $$$. Your boat survey should tell you that.

Good luck, have fun, we'll need photos when you bring er home!

 

[KellyC]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Hi, $ 3000 doesn't seem to be high here in Oregon ( at least for asking price , this asking price was $3500 ). Bow area keel looks OK at least from the outside .I plan on getting it inspected but that will run another $500 . I don't want to spend that if the leakage issue will take a lot of money and/or work to remedy . Thanks

I am betting that your keel is just find. I have a 67 Islander from here in Oregon as well, I do not know if it leaks at the keel yet or not but I do know that the transom had some issues due to non maint. The floor in mine was fairly good except for right by the engine and only on the edges there. Mine was covered as well and it was supposed to have a lot of good stuff on it, if you saw it now you would know better though. But yours is a few years newer than mine is though and would also have been easier to store as it is smaller. It could also be something like an old bellows that has a small tear in it. Just trying to say it may be worth it, just depends on how much you want to do yourself. I bought mine with the intention of doing very little at first to it, my Islander has been completely gutted. To take any more off, I would be taking the top cap off of the hull. Tough call just as Jason said, I wish you luck. Where in Oregon are you located?

 

[Starman8]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

NW weather is crappy as ours in the Great Lakes region. One gallon/hour is seepage. I would add a 2nd bilge pump to run auto with an out-of-water OFF switch. The weather may limit the seasonal usage being an I/O as many GL boats go in hiding before some of the best Fall and early winter fishing in our region. Most Lake Erie I/O's are glass cruisers.

Even if that boat was 1/2 price here in Ohio, the I/O makes it less fishable timewise/opportunities.

Here is a crazy suggestion. You usually can get a USHIP subcontractor for under 500 bucks for a 6-8 tow. Choose your travel tolerance, say split the distance, and find a boat with an initial lower cost.

My STAR came from western Iowa. I took a 350 bid from there to Fort Wayne, 6 hours round trip for me, and after parting a few items, basically paid very little for the vessel.

OR:

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/boa/2343862294.html

 

[elkhunter338]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Any boat runs high price in Oregon.
Mine had a leak in it not that bad, but what it ended up being after a year of looking was a screw hole in the transmon with no screw in it. They had put some silicon in the hole and painted over it, so from the outside it was not visible. This drove me nuts for awhile.
Since you are looking at an I/O that is 1972, check the transmon, poke with a needle and look for soft spots, you could have a spot on the transmon that has eaten the alum through.
How is the trailer? Has the boat been in salt water for long periods of time, damage to the hull that could be leaking,

I bought a 1986 Cheiftain for $4300, was not a great deal because over the next 5 years I put lots of $$ into it. Transom was bad, floor was bad under the seats, engine failed, outdrive failed, just put axles and tires, brakes on trailer. But the goood thing is I have caught hundreds of pounds of good eating fish (salmon, halibut, rock bass, dung crab)

 

[Pugetsound]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Check out my photo bucket site noahslark@comcast.net and Pass word -555 boatnut Its a 1975 22 Holiday and what you see, except the gear, came with the boat even the canvas. Will run 45-50 wide open but thats to fast . 200 johnson on the back with a 9.9 Merc el start 4 stroke kicker. I bought this in north Idaho 4 summers ago. Pugetsound

 

[muskrat808]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

I am betting that your keel is just find. I have a 67 Islander from here in Oregon as well, I do not know if it leaks at the keel yet or not but I do know that the transom had some issues due to non maint. The floor in mine was fairly good except for right by the engine and only on the edges there. Mine was covered as well and it was supposed to have a lot of good stuff on it, if you saw it now you would know better though. But yours is a few years newer than mine is though and would also have been easier to store as it is smaller. It could also be something like an old bellows that has a small tear in it. Just trying to say it may be worth it, just depends on how much you want to do yourself. I bought mine with the intention of doing very little at first to it, my Islander has been completely gutted. To take any more off, I would be taking the top cap off of the hull. Tough call just as Jason said, I wish you luck. Where in Oregon are you located?

Thanks for the feedback . Sounds like the seller has tightened some loose bolts in the transom/outdrive area and will see if that improves things . I'm in the Happy Valley / Clackamas area . Wondering if you know anything about Mikes Mobile Marine ? I may use them for the engine inspection. Thanks !

 

[muskrat808]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Thanks for the info . I actually looked at that boat on CL and it was much worse than the one I'm debating about ( though I don't know if it leaked )

 

[KellyC]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

Wondering if you know anything about Mikes Mobile Marine ? I may use them for the engine inspection. Thanks !

Did you find this guy on CL? I have read some posts about a mobile marine mechanic that is more than happy to take your money and not do a thing to help you or worse yet, make things worse. I do not know if that is the one but I do know that there have been people go to the BBB on the one that is doing this. And several have taken him to court as well. I have not paid that much attention as I live here in St Helens and there is a marina or 3 within a few miles of here. If you do go with a mobile mechanic then be sure to check him out really well, would really hate to see you get ripped off bud.

Kelly

 

[Pugetsound]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

which boat did you look at???? on craigslist?

 

[muskrat808]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

which boat did you look at???? on craigslist?

The one cited by Starman8 on the Portland CL.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1972 Starcraft Holiday Hull Leakage

If your going to own an old I/O, you'll need to either learn to wrench on it yourself (not my cup of tea) or find a mechanic that will do things like an inspection for less than $500

An I/O that's been sitting for a while could require up to $1000 worth of maintenance to be safe and reliable on the water. Bellows, fluid, pull the drive and service it, etc etc. You'll want to find somewhere other than the local big fancy new boat dealer to work on it if you know what I mean

I will say one thing, a 4 banger I/O in an aluminum Starcraft will be about as gas-thrifty a combination as you could find.