1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Thanks oops. By the way you are an inspiration along with alot of people on here! I have read a little of your thread on and off, but i will take one saturday to sit through it and read everything! i will be at the glassing stage very soon. Thank you for the advice i will take the Windows off as well, And i am laughing all the way hole, it also came with i forgot to mention, A hook (probably for fishing) fire extinguisher, spare tire for trailer, and down rigger so thank you very much for replying. I will be working on the glassing part of it slowly since I am in the process of paying off some credit card bills, that is why im working on trailer now. But I will have the boat complete by summer. Since i know and have figured out all of the issues with the engine and outdrive. All i need to do is order kits to rebuild and repaint and all of the glass work.
once agian thanks for doing such great work and for posting it on here for use newbies to learn

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Here are the pictures from when i took the Trailer Apart

The Tool i used a grinder from HF

The trailer, naked...

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Here is a few pictures of the Donor Boat and the bad tire (i dont know why i pictured it)
I will take a few more pictures of the Gear that came along with it... I will probably be taking the Outboard off of it tommarow and taking the hull to the dump as well

I know the trailer looks rusty... but that is just the TOUNGE, the frame itself is a C-Channel Frame so Its easy to derust and to use POR15 to seal it and paint it back up. I cant wait to do this job, I will be starting it tommarow, and hopefully have the trailer done by the end of the week i will probably still need to replace the axles... but dont tell my wife

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Wish I lived closer. I'd take that hull off your hands in a minute. I have a project in mind where that hull would be perfect. Could you have Scottie Beam It Up to Broken Arrow, OK?????

 

[74bayliner]

yeah i wish i could work on it... it would be a nice project but i dont wanna get my hands full.. i do on the other hand have a book i bought today ) fiberglass boat repairs illustrated. by roger marshall... happy reading fellas

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

I need some help,
Does Resin soak into a 2x10?
Will it cover with Fiberglass just as well as plywood?
I need to know because the boat was designed with 2x10s and i dont know if i should buy 2x10 stringers or 3/4" ply for stringers. please let me know.
-vlad

 

[sqbtr]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Personally I would stay away from the dimensional lumber, unless you have a year to wait for it to dry not to mention it likes to warp. Laminate two pieces of 3/4 ply together.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Yep, what he said ^^^^, Laminate your plywood to get the 1 1/2" thickness for the stringers. I think it's much better than the 2x material. To answer your question, Yes, resin will soak into just about any wood. the warmer, and runnier the better. I would NOT thin it though. Some people do, but the resident experts here on the forum Strongly advise against thinning your resin.

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Ok thank you guys. I was thinking that no one was following this thread and it was sinking in all the other threads lol. But thank you. I will probably be slowly doing glass work. I have to make a decision. Either i rebuild my engine during winter and glass during spring... or vice versa. I live in the Northwest, so it doesnt get too cold but im not sure. The engine has about 800 dollars worth of parts and labor i gotta pay for. And im thinking the fiberglassing will be anywhere from 800-1800 so i might do that during winter,
Any suggestions?
thanks

 

[zopperman]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

How cold does it get? You can always fool the glass into thinking it's warmer. If it were my project... I would do the motor first -- this way if you hit any snags you have time to correct them and what good is a beautiful boat without a motor!

 

[zopperman]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Yep, what he said ^^^^, Laminate your plywood to get the 1 1/2" thickness for the stringers. I think it's much better than the 2x material. To answer your question, Yes, resin will soak into just about any wood. the warmer, and runnier the better. I would NOT thin it though. Some people do, but the resident experts here on the forum Strongly advise against thinning your resin.

I'm no expert, but I've read a fair bit that indicates that it is about encapsulating the wood, NOT penetrating it with resin... I agree... no thinning...

That happens to be an awesome donor boat/ Don't dump it

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

A boat without a motor is floating island. Do the motor First!!!!!

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

I took a video of the boat, i will upload it tonight... it really does have alot of problems. (the donor one i mean)
It has cracks in the hull, im sure that the foam and wood is soaked through, and it has a closed bilge... which is really wierd... But i will try to video tape it more so you can get the idea... i really wish i could keep it but, since my current work area is in my parents yard, i will only be able to keep one, i already promised my dad.

But as far as the engine, i took your advice, i took the head in for Valve grind yesterday, the valves are gonna get faced, and the crank shaft and cam shaft are going to get polished. That will cost about 200 dollars and they guy says to check in on friday.
The last thing machining wise to do will be the block. I will need the cam bearings replaced, get it hot tanked, plugs removed, the machinest said, since im not replacing pistons or rings, to leave the cylinders alone, even if i just flex hone them it will screw things up a little. he basically gave me the if it aint broke dont fix it... but that is a good thing for me, because i have sort of the same mentality. but that will be another 100 dollars...

So now that Im getting all that done, my next paycheck i will do the block, and order the head gasket, and all of the other gaskets and seals. I think by christmas the engine is going to be completed. But knowing me it will probably be done earlier...

After the actually engine is put together, i will do the rebuild of the carbs, which i already have the rebuild kits for, and i will clean and rebuild the fuel pump (just needs replaced seals), the water filter,

Now that i think about it, i think the engine will be done around christmas, because i will still need to buy a few new electronics for it. Alternator, Starter (although i think the starter was fine, so i might just repaint it), Distributer coil... and temperature sensor and pressure sensor

I will keep videos up to date ..
once again i am sorry that the donor boat has to go, but its a necessity that it not sit there.
When i get my own house My first project will be rebuilding a Truck engine, so i can haul the boat around. Than another boat (probably just a smaller fishing one)
Stay in touch folks thanks for the interest

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

And as far as resin goes, i found a local supplier (helping out local business ) he sells it for 124 bucks for 5 gals which is right in my area i was looking for. so you can all sleep well knowing Im not gonna make that mistake

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Got the Head and valves back from the machine shop, i am going to do a few video edits today and get some more vids posted... and pictures of the Valve Grind job they did for me.

 

[oops!]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

the thing about glassing where you are ....is that its not too bad.....keep the area warm and the resins warm.....amd you shoild be good.....look at my thread for info in glassing in colder temps.

glad you found a local supplier for the resin....im a big fan of buying local.

after you get the resin....and some glass, all you need is a grinder to get a lot of work done on the hull......this is the most time consuming part of the rebuild.....motors can be done very fast if you know what you are doing.

you had mentioned that you were thinking of dimensional lumber for the stringers...i would advise against that unless they are totally dry. new wood from the store is not.

a good exterior grade ply wood or pressure treated ply is good for the stringers. just stand them up and put a fan on them to dry them out.

 

[oops!]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

by the way......if you get stuck on something.....just pm me with the link to the question and thread.....ill check in right away....

im following about 50 builds on here, so i miss quite a few.

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

Thanks oops. No problem, I tried to PM you about where i can buy that Bio Mat Suit. But it said you had exceeded your quota for private message or something of that nonsence, that is why i posted on Mcraneys thread. But thank you for the advice, My current project will continue toward the end of december,
I have recently been cleaning up my fathers garage where i am working so it wont be so messy, i have organized all bolts and parts into baggies and bins so i will not lose my mind when it comes to assembly.

But as far is my next step since in December me and my wife will be moving in with my parents to help save on costs and save up money for down payment on a house, my wife has informed me that i can use one whole paycheck on the boat in december, so the engine will most likely be complete by new yaers. I still have to send out the Exhaust manifold to get coated with a ceremaic coating to protect against 1300 temps. But it should all be complete, along with the trailer by december.
And grinding will probably commence in january and the actually fiberglassing in march, all depepnding on the weather. I may just get bored and buy a few heaters and start the process in the carport tent with heaters constantly running. But once again thank you all for my help
-vlad

 

[74bayliner]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

alright guys, i need some calming down I'm sorta flipping out.
I just realized something while reading PMCCraneys thread... if i took the cap off my hull its been about a month since that time, the hull is now empty and a lot lighter, (I can lift the ends of it by myself and we can lift it with my brother off the ground) because we have the wood and all the wet foam out... its sitting on tires because the trailer is getting refurbished (it doesn't move or shake) will i still need some sort of straps when i get in it? I cannot put it on any sort of cradles because I'm working on the ground. (bark)
The Deck of the floor is still connected all the way around.. so i don't think i didn't to much damage right?
I will show you what i mean by the deck is still connected. look at picture below.


I hope you fellas say that I am safe, because I will start grinding soon, And when i do start grinding i am going to get rid of the rest of that Deck lip because to grind all the fiberglass down.
When i do so, what is the best method to keep it from deforming. Straps? or a few stratigecly placed 2x4's cut to width of the cap and than drywall screws and big washer the 2x4's in the holes previously made by rivets? is that a good idea?


please let me know thanks.

 

[Pmccraney]

Re: 1974 Bayliner Discovery 1850 Restore

alright guys, i need some calming down I'm sorta flipping out.
I just realized something while reading PMCCraneys thread...

Now you've got me scared... I am wondering what I did (or did not do) that triggered the panic. I need to go back and look at your earlier posts/pics but I think you are saying that you lifted the cap but left a pretty good lip of the deck. If that deck is still tabbed into the hull pretty good it prolly kept it fairly stable. However I would build some cradles/supports before you remove it. If your boat is light enough to lift you could just slide them under. Feel free to pm me if you want to talk further. Thanks