1975 Johnson 135 questions

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The spring between the solenoid and the choke linkage looks to be like the factory one. (The factory ones have that spring appearance.) However, the linkage end looks to have been wrapped around the linkage pin-not a factory job. As such, any "normal" factory measurement/setting may be off, causing the choke to only partially close. You may be able to loosen the band around the solenoid to move it up/down, then re-clamp it in order to adjust it's movement enough to get full opening and full relase.
 
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Judging by the non OMC cables and that nice bolt and washer holding them , there is no telling what this motor has been through.-----This motor may have seen better days , yes ?
 

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Hang on, lemme get my neck back into joint ...
 

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there is no telling what this motor has been through.-----This motor may have seen better days , yes ?
Ehh. Mebbe, mebbe not. It does have the bubble butt exhaust & might have hi-comp heads. So i'll reserve judgement.
 

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The previous owner put the cables on there because it had a Suzuki control box on the center console and he wanted to use that
 

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Not sure why the pictures are sideways on here. They were straight up when I uploaded them
 

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I used the manual choke lever and it started right up which it was taking a little bit before. A little more background on the motor the guy I purchased it from lived in Minnesota and bought both the boat and motor from up there but separately. The boat previously had a Suzuki on it and still had the control box on it so he got cables that fit that. He brought it down to South Carolina every year when he came down to visit family for several months during the fall, winter, and spring. He used it on the santee lakes 3 times in sc and that was it. He had the carbs rebuilt and new fuel lines put in last year(2013) and had only ran it in the yard since.
 

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So I went to start the motor today and it took longer to start than normal and it would hit and then cut off and did this several times but eventually started but when it did it sounded like it was not running on all cylinders. It was one of the coldest days of the year today(20 degrees) but I'm not sure if this matters. What could be causing this starting issue?
 

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Sounds like you need to check all 4 plugwires for spark when the engine is running. Obviously, it's hard to start if it's only running on 2/3 cylinders. You can use a spark-checker tool, or an inductive timing light.
 

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Where could I get a spark checker?
 

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I use one from Stevens instrument co. They are fairly expensive, so you could make one, or perhaps try an automotive parts store. (or borrow an inductive timing light from a friend.
 

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Yes, 20degrees is more than too cold - to have it act up. so don't stress.

The fellas talking about the choke are giving good info..

When choked by the toggle switch, both choke plates must completely close. Close enough is not good enough! It will always be a hard cold starting motor if there are any gaps top/bottom.

You also want the choke plates to fully release/retract otherwise it will run rich. You can also engage the solenoid plunger by hand ensuring nothing is binding and it moves freely. Sometimes the plunger has dried grease, causing binding.

Yours is clearly not closing fully, since the manual choke fires it up quickly. There are adjustments as noted by others and also between each choke plate - one will bottom and the other is slightly not.

Racerone explained how the temp controlled solenoids work from the factory. They were problematic and an OMC service bulletin explained the repair/update.

I have explained this before, but Joe Reeves did it more detail, so I'll quote Joe. An additional fyi, if the small 20 amp fuse blows, it can often be traced to the choke solenoid warm up circuit, which should simply be disconn'd purple/yellow at the terminal strip.

Yours seem ok, so do as follows... It'll take 2 minutes. In cold weather you will need to keep "blipping" the choke closed to keep it running until it warms, with idle speed up.



(Temperature Actuated Choke Solenoid Conversion)
(J. Reeves)

Various OMC engines that were manufactured in the later 1960s thru the early 1970s, for example the 1969 55hp Evinrude/Johnson incorporated a dual stage choke solenoid...... easy to identify as they have two wires leading to the solenoid, one purple/white, one purple/yellow.

The purple/yellow is attached at the engine wiring terminal strip to another purple/yellow wire that led to a heat sensor. The initial stage, with the key ON, (purple/yellow), when cold, would keep the choke pulled in half way until the engine warmed up, at which time it would release and open the choke butterfly.

The second stage (purple/white) is attached to another purple/white wire at the engine terminal strip which leads to the choke switch. When the switch was engaged, the choke closed etc.

The problem with this setup is that as the engine got older, the thermostat acted up, water pump became weak, whatever, the heat sensor failed to operate properly and the choke would not release from that half closed position. This would cause the engine to run in a rich fuel mixture condition (flooding, loading up).

The cure to this problem, via a service bulletin from OMC was to remove the solenoid purple/yellow wire from its original location and connect both of the solenoid wires (purple/yellow & purple/white) to the engine wiring harness purple/white wire at the engine terminal strip.

The above change would allow both solenoid wires to be energized when the choke switch is engaged, pulling the choke butterfly in firmly..... and only when the choke switch is engaged.


Dazk14 Edit: I did not read through the earlier posts. Also, it was quite common for the warmup circuit to load up cylinders (read stop firing), until the cylinder(s) could be aired out by running the boat up on plane (read under load - not revving in neutral).
 
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Thanks for all the great replies. I am going to try to run it today since its suppose to get in the 60s. I will post back with results if I get to run it. Again thanks for all the help
 

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Motor started right up with no choke and ran fine so I guess it was the cold causing it. Thanks for the replys
 

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Have you updated the wiring and adjusted the choke?
 

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Yes I adjusted the choke and updated the wiring (had more time than expected today) and put a new diaphragm and screen in the fuel pump
 

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Update: it was around 60 degrees this Friday so I decided to try and start the motor on the muffs. It would fire up and run for a second or 2 then die. I talked to the previous owner and he said he had the carbs rebuilt and then it sat for a year and then he ran it on muffs a few times. I'm thinking maybe i need to check the carbs again? Any advice is greatly appreciated
 

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Update: it was around 60 degrees this Friday so I decided to try and start the motor on the muffs. It would fire up and run for a second or 2 then die. I talked to the previous owner and he said he had the carbs rebuilt and then it sat for a year and then he ran it on muffs a few times. I'm thinking maybe i need to check the carbs again? Any advice is greatly appreciated


Do you have the idle up advanced? Such that when the motor is warm it would rev 1500-1800 rpm?

When it starts does it rev up then quit? If so that is classic needs momentary choke blips until the cylinders warm a bit ~30 seconds when cold out.
 

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Dark is correct. You need to keep periodically choking the engine for the first minute or so, till it warms up. Activate the choke for a few seconds every 10-15 seconds til it warms up and will run on it's own.
 

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Modern cars have gone to computers and sensors so that the operator just needs to " turn the key / push a button " and it starts and runs smoothly.----------On older the motors the owner / operator has to have some knowledge of how thing work.------Find a manual or find a friendly dealer for some coaching.
 
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