1984 Skeeter Champ 16' Restore

fmjnax

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Thanks guys! I never tried the Valspar, but it's night and day between this and the Rustoleum; at least in terms of laying it down. It flowed through the gun better and covered MUCH smoother. I'm not sure what the base brand is. It's a Sherwin Williams house brand (as far as I can tell). It says "Protective & Marine Coatings" on it, as well as "Industrial Enamel" and is an "Ultra Deep Base Alkyd". The guy that mixed it up for me used it on an old Skeeter a few years back and also added the TSC Hardener to it. He said that even after heavy use, it looks as good as the day he sprayed it, save for normal wear-and-tear and what-not. I couldn't tell ya anything about the compatibility between it and the hardener, though.

I sprayed the 2nd coat on it and moved it back in to the garage to dry. Tomorrow night is scouts and Tuesday is gymnastics so it'll have a few days to dry. If it feels super rough and looks like it may need another shot, I'll hit it with ScotchBrite and put on another pint Wednesday (if it doesn't rain).
 

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hey now that looks great! but I think you should give it like 2 months to dry so I can get back ahead! glad to see you finally got back on it, I am recouping from overdoing myself on the scout parade prep, but should be back to work soon myself...just so tired....lol looking forward to seeing the hull!
 

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Thanks Judge. You don't have to worry, I will NEVER be caught up to you (partly by decision. HA!). I'm looking forward to seeing the hull myself! I'm ready for it to be done and flipped back over. I'm ready to move on to something else now. I've pretty well decided that once I flip it back over, I'm going to shift focus to the top cap for a little change in scenery, if you will. Of course, not being able to make the bulk US Composites purchase until February played a little factor into the decision as well.
 

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My wife's last living grandmother passed away Sunday night so I've taken the week off to be with her and her family. Today, she went with her parents to take care of somethings so while she was out, I decided to put some more paint on the hull. The trailer has dried pretty well and looks good so I wrapped it in plastic and put the hull back on the trailer (so that I can paint in the driveway and let it dry in the garage. Best idea I've had yet, I do believe!).

With each use of the gun, I get a little more confident and seem to improve overall. With each improvement, though, I also experience new problems. I was previously having a problem with orange peel and after some research and re-adjusting the gun, I seem to have fixed that problem... only to come up with the problem of "streaks" (which I'm pretty sure have something do with my fan and that I'm not overlapping each pass correctly). After the paint dries, you can't really see this problem, though, so it's not a huge issue. I'm thinking another 2 coats will yield me a thick enough finish that I can wetsand it smooth and glossy. I still have over 1/2 a gallon of white paint and with my skill improving with each coat, maybe I'll go up to 8 coats. At some point I have to tell myself enough is enough, right?

Anyway, here are the pictures after the 4th coat. You can see that some gloss is starting to build up... and you can also see my "streaking" problem up at the bow. I still have slight orange peel, but nothing that a quick wetsand can't fix.
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Sorry to hear about your wife's grandmother. I just lost a aunt the last Sunday. My deepest regaurds and prayers or with you.

I think you or right about the fan being out of adjustment. It looks a litte light on the outside of the fan and heavy in the middle.
It should be a even spray. Try to spray on a test peice and adjust the settings on the gun.

Did you say you are using acetone for the thinner? This may effect the way the paint is drying.

I would check with Sherwin Willams and use the correct thinner.

You should be able to buff out any of the streaks with a buffing compound.

The trailer looks great. The boat is looking good too.

Kent
 

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Are you letting the Paint Cook a full 30 minutes after adding the hardener? Are you sure your hardener ratio is correct? Are you mixing it intermittenly during that 30 minute period? What are you using as a thinner? What is your volume set at approximately...1/4 -1/2 ? Fan? For my Fan, I turn it to full stream and then back off until it just starts to fan.
Another thing to consider. Too many coats before the prior coats come to a full cure and actually be a BAD thing. I think 4 coats would be my limit. Up to you but something to consider.
 

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looking good, it is the bottom so only you will know, do you wash it well after your wet sand, if not spots that still have residue will act that way(don't ask how I know!). Although the linear nature of your streaks indicate something in the application. was just a though and I felt like sounding smart for once...I got no idea lol, but it will turn out good!
 

fmjnax

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Thanks Decker!

Lots of questions and I'll try to answer them all the best I can.

I think you or right about the fan being out of adjustment. It looks a litte light on the outside of the fan and heavy in the middle.
It should be a even spray. Try to spray on a test peice and adjust the settings on the gun.

I hang a piece of masking paper on the wall and give it a test burst before each session. I adjust the air, fan, and volume accordingly. I strive for a full coverage in the center with it fading to the edges. The fan/oval spans about 6" x 3-4". It could be that I am striving for too much full coverage in the center

Did you say you are using acetone for the thinner? This may effect the way the paint is drying.
Yes, I am using acetone @ 10%. I've tried everything up to 25% but 10-15% seems to be right. Any higher and I start to get runs (again, that could be due to a bad adjustment)

I would check with Sherwin Willams and use the correct thinner.
The white is still good old Rustoleum; which says to use acetone on the label. I tried turpentine once on a test piece and did not like the results at all. For the Sherwin Williams paint, the label and the rep said not to thin it, but it wouldn't flow through the gun at all without acetone. I didn't seem to have any problem with adding the acetone to it, though.

Are you letting the Paint Cook a full 30 minutes after adding the hardener?
Yes. I mix it well, then let it cook for 10 minutes and give it another mix. I do this every 10 minutes until I use it. I don't use it until AT LEAST 30 minutes have transpired.

Are you sure your hardener ratio is correct?
I believe so. I use 1 oz for every pint I mix up. This is a paint/hardener ratio only, though. Acetone isn't added until it's poured into the cup. So basically I have 16 oz of paint and 1 oz of hardener mixed in the bucket and then I add 1.7-2 oz of acetone with it in the cup

Are you mixing it intermittenly during that 30 minute period?
Yes. I mix it every 10-15 minutes

What are you using as a thinner?
Acetone. I tried turpentine once and that was not good.

What is your volume set at approximately...1/4 -1/2 ?
2 1/2 turns out. I screw it all the way in and then back it out. Not sure what this relates to percentage wise

Fan? For my Fan, I turn it to full stream and then back off until it just starts to fan.
You gave me that advise when I first started so that is what I have been doing. For the trailer, I had the fan on the minimal setting since the area to spray wasn't that large. For the hull, I set it to where it will span about 6", give or take

Another thing to consider. Too many coats before the prior coats come to a full cure and actually be a BAD thing. I think 4 coats would be my limit. Up to you but something to consider.
This could very well be part of the problem as well. I sprayed the first coat this morning at about 10 and the second coat this evening at about 6 (about 8 hours in between). This is as per the label for recoat time.

do you wash it well after your wet sand, if not spots that still have residue will act that way(don't ask how I know!).
After I wet sand, I wipe it down with a damp cloth. I then hit it with some slightly soapy water and give it another "rinse" with a wet cloth. After it has dried, I wipe it down with acetone. Then right before I spray (usually while the compressors are filling up the tanks), I wipe it down with acetone again.

After looking at it again, I think what I did was I got lazy. Based on the patterns on the test masking paper, this should NOT have occurred. I think I got in a rush and didn't keep my distance and maybe put down too much paint at a time. As mentioned, my fan spread is about 6". The streaks are more like 4". I think I just got the gun too close. If you notice, the closer to the keel you go, the less the streaking appears. This would be because I had to reach to shoot it so naturally the gun would have been kept at a further distance. The closer to the edge, the more visible the streaking. The other mistake that would have led to this would have been spraying in the dark. The bow was furthest from the garage and from the light, which meant I couldn't visibly watch what I was doing.

I do agree with you, though, Judge. It's just the bottom so nobody will know, but if I can perfect my technique on the bottom of the hull, then painting the top cap should be a breeze. I learn something new with each session.

Wood - is 4 coats enough to able to buff out any residual orange peel and my streaking and still provide a durable finish? I have 320, 600, and 1000 grit wetsand paper at my disposal. The main reason why I wanted to put on so many coats is because I know I will have to sand a good deal to get a smooth and glossy surface.
 

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While it is still fresh on my mind,how do I get the best shine possible? I'm using a gloss paint and it looks glossy while drying, but once dry it becomes dull. The wetsand helps a little but I would expect it should have more shine. This last coat is showing much more shine, but its still not as much as I would expect. Could I be doing something wrong during application or does it just need a really fine wetsand and a good buff after the final coat?
 

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As I said 4 coats is plenty. My 3 coats of Rustoleum High Gloss did not require any sanding or buffing and the shine was great. To tell you the truth, what I am seeing in your pics looks good. That is minimal orange peel. A final sanding with 600-800 grit and then a wax and buff and I think you're gunna be pleased.
 

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It's tempting to really fuss over the bottom of the boat when she's upside down like that. Don't! Heck, half my damn paint on the bottom has fallen off and you can't even really notice it unless you specifically look. If you're going to get super fussy about stuff, just focus on the sides. Your bottom is already plenty nice.
 

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As I said 4 coats is plenty. My 3 coats of Rustoleum High Gloss did not require any sanding or buffing and the shine was great. To tell you the truth, what I am seeing in your pics looks good. That is minimal orange peel. A final sanding with 600-800 grit and then a wax and buff and I think you're gunna be pleased.

I did not wet sand my final coat of rusto either, waiting until my boat is finished then ill do one last sand/wax/buff before putting her in the water. but I like my shine even as it is....It seems like the longer it has cured the shinier it has gotten...let her cure for a week and if it still doesn't please you, hit it again! dont forget we gotta move on, we are going to splash these boats come spring dangit lol!
 

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Thanks guys, I appreciate it! It makes me feel A LOT better. I took a look at it this morning before I left for work and the shine is still there... as are the streaks. However, I ran my hand across it lightly and it's actually pretty smooth. You're right Wood, it's very minimal orange peel and I doubt I could do any better given my [lack of] experience, cheap gun, etc.

I've been using 320 to wetsand between the coats. Should I not use that for the final sand and jump straight to the 600 and 1000? Also, what wax should I use to buff it up?

I hear ya Judge! Just a couple more weeks and I will be moving on. I've already started clearing all the junk that has been placed on my top cap so when the hull is done and back on the trailer correctly, I will wrap it all in plastic and dry-fit the cap back on it so that I can get it prepped for paint. That should only take me another 2 months. HA!
 

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Sittin' in the garage with the heaters going waiting on hardener to kick off in some paint so that I can do this! (I'm not a fan of the green frog tape... nor is it the best tape job I've ever done, but it'll do). More pictures to come later.
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Well, I learned a couple new things today. 1) Don't try to roll/tip a thick oil based paint without thinner (I realized I was out of acetone after mixing the paint, didn't feel like going to Walmart 20 miles away, and figured it was such a small area that it wouldn't be a big deal) and 2) don't try to roll/tip without a roller (my mini-roller apparently needed a new cover... which I didn't have. I ended up using just a foam brush).

The pictures leave A LOT to be desired, but at least it has paint on it. I will end up wetsanding most of it off to get it smooth, but it's still a start. I think we made the right call on the paint scheme, too. It's going to look sharp! I WILL be heading to town for some acetone and roller covers tomorrow. I'll also pull the boat out of the garage to get some better pictures. Don't laugh at my crappy paint job here folks! ;)
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Oh and my hull still has a good shine to it! I'm anxious to see just how much more gloss I will pick up after I wetsand and buff it up.
 

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I made a little more progress today, but no pictures. I went to town bright and early and picked up some much needed supplies; some larger foam brushes, a couple 4" rollers, a gallon of acetone, and some more 1000 grit wetsand paper (I thought I had some, but I couldn't find it).

I hit the stripes hard with some 320 to get rid of most of the screw-up and then I hit the bottom of the hull with some 600. I mixed up some paint (properly thinned this time!) and put down another coat on the stripes. Technically, it was coat 3, but after having to sand most of it down, it was more like a second coat. It self-leveled pretty well and the coverage was also pretty good. Even still, the roll/tip method is NOT for me!

This evening I lightly sanded the stripes again with 320 and put on another coat. Tomorrow I will pull the tape and we'll see how well it looks. I'm anticipating a few spots that will need a touch more paint (lighting in the garage isn't quite ideal for determining coverage of a darker color in indirect lighting) so I will have to touch them up, but that will just be a dab of paint here and there.

Hopefully by tomorrow evening I will be wetsanding the entire hull with 1000 grit and it will be ready to wash/wax it and call it done. Realistically, though, I may have to wait a few days to let the stripes cure up before being able to final sand. I'll just have to see what it looks like when that time comes.
 

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I hope the tape comes off well. Usually you pull the tape within 30 minutes. If you have left the tape on all this time and thru all the various coats you might get some chipping. Hopefully not.
 

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I decided to step back and slow down a little bit. I've been striving for the best paint job I could perform, so why mess it all up on the two stripes? I wetsanded the stripes down again with the 320 (and probably should have sanded down a little more than I did, but oh well) and decided to try one last time. This time I thinned the paint way down to the point that it would just about run on demand (maybe 20 or 25%?) and got busy. That seemed to have been the solution to my problem as I now have a fairly smooth stripe job. The thin paint self-leveled pretty well. It's still not spray-quality, but it is manageable. The coverage is good, there are no light/dark spots, and the color is uniform. I left it to dry in the garage @ 75 degrees for 4 hours and checked it again. I think it's a keeper!

I pulled the tape and wheeled it out into the driveway to give it a daylight check. Yep, still good for me! I'm still not a fan of the green frog tape, though. The upper tape job, well, leaked. I should be able to sand it off and touch it up with some white with a small artists brush, but it's on the underside of the ledge that likely wouldn't be visible when the boat is right-side-up anyway. The lower tape line held up great and produced a pretty crisp edge, which is excellent because this WILL be visible. I also have a couple of drips onto the white that will need to be corrected (for the first coat, I didn't mask the rest of the sides with paper. After getting some drips, I got smart and taped on some masking paper. HA!).

It's still too tacky to wetsand so it looks like I will be doing that this coming week. The trailer bunk carpet was ordered today and I'm hoping it gets here before Christmas. I'll be going to winter scout camp the 27th to the 31st and I would like to be able to have this chapter in the project closed by the first of the year. :D

Here are the two outside shots.
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