2 axles no brakes

Lou C

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

Yes the trailer needs brakes, probably on both axles
NO you cannot safely tow it with a Subaru!
That boat fully loaded could weight on the trailer between 5000-6000 lbs. A mid size SUV with a V-8 would be a proper tow vehicle. We have a 98 Subaru, I would not tow anything more than 1000 lbs with it. Great little car not for towing a big boat.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

If something goes haywire, think of what your insurer will be doing.

Insurance covers stupidity! :D

If it didn't, they would say, "You should have known better", and never cover any claim. :eek:

Try to think up an accident that is your fault that could not have been prevented by doing something different.
 

Fishin Magician

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

ADVICE comes from all kinds of sources......some of it comes from " the sky is falling" prophets, some comes from 93 year old retied women, some comes from people that just made it happen and some comes from people that got burned.... The OP could always just sell the boat and never boat again...because EVERYONE knows a boat is a hole in the water where you throw extra money..and you might die in a boat as well.... its a fact, people die in boats every year!

I loaded my 1/2 ton F150 with 2000 lbs of top soil three times and drove 20 miles each time...

look at these people:
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i doubt he does this every weekend
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id load that boat up and drive it home if i didnt have any obstacles i previously mentioned on the way ( all 2 miles of it) ( a runner can travel that distance in less than 10 minutes!!!)

but I wouldnt say that the others have bad advice....

of course my professional thought is if you own a subaru, you probably arent the type of guy that should be trying this trick!!!! sorry...just being honest! ha ha

bob




OMG !....Bob ..those pictures are hilarious.....omg..
 

smoedog

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

Ok the jetta is photoshopped and should not be used to say its ok to tow 5k lbs with a Subaru.
 

Thalasso

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

Wait until that green slime on the ramp gets a hold of that front wheel drive.
 

Thalasso

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

What vehicle are we talking about that is Front Wheel Drive?

I was thinking the Subaru was front wheel drive, but now that i think about it it's all wheel drive/four wheel?
When the load lifts the front up,because it's to heavy for the car, backing down the ramp there won't be much if any breaking on the front axle.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

We haven't heard from the OP since post #3.
We are just talking to ourselves!

He has already moved it or is out looking for a proper vehicle! :D
 

briangcc

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

Or having AAA pull the Suby and trailer from the lake...
 

Fishin Magician

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We haven't heard from the OP since post #3.
We are just talking to ourselves!

He has already moved it or is out looking for a proper vehicle! :D


hehe...........that was funny to read ....too !...

after the "Ramp" comments.....I'm thinkin a new truck...

talkin' to ourselves!!...lol..

FM
 

maproy99

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

I'm just saying that I own a silverado and will gladly use my truck for anything my friends need as long as they pay a good chunk of gas $.
 

dpw-ct

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

Thank you all !! OK, - mu subaru is not a good idea, what if I can get a pickup/suv. Would the trailer without brakes be ok for the 2 miles. What should I look at when inspecting the trailer.




Wait until that green slime on the ramp gets a hold of that front wheel drive.
 

Scott Danforth

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

your state laws dictate that you need brakes on your trailer.

yes, even a small pickup or SUV will pull it without problem. the S-10 truck or blazer is rated for 5000# + towing capacity
 

loose rivet

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

I'm in NJ and tandem trailers here are common, I've owned more than a dozen that were built and sold with no provisions for brakes. The lightest was rated at 1,500 lbs, the heaviest at 6,400 lbs. The latter was built by Highland Trailer.
(I'd venture to guess that most older trailers don't have brakes). I've also owned more than 30 single axle trailers, most were in the 2,000 lb range but many were 3,500, rated, none had brakes or the provision for brakes on the axle tube.

my concern towing that boat on the road would be stopping, the road you were using would dictate my choices there. I tow 10 miles to the ramp, but most of the roads I run on are back roads and I rarely see any traffic. I have never once felt my truck couldn't stop the trailer in a safe distance, but I also wouldn't tow a boat at highway speeds. In most cases I'm doing only 25-30 MPH. The roads are just too rough and narrow in most cases to go any faster.

I drive an older Ford Ranger, its a 2 wheel drive truck with a four cylinder motor. Since it don't have anti-lock brakes, any panic stop, with or without a trailer results in a slide or rear wheel lock up, so in many cases the added tongue weight from the trailer actually helps it stop since there's more weight on the rear wheels. Without the trailer it just slides the back wheels in a hard stop, with the trailer it stops dead straight.

My biggest concern would be on the ramp, like my Ranger a Subaru isn't a very heavy vehicle, a wet, slimy ramp may make for an interesting retrieval experience. I've got a few ramps near me that are so slick and steep my truck slides backward even with an empty trailer, and a few ramps that are so shallow that I can back in till the front wheels get wet and never even get my boat wet 20' behind the truck. Those ramps are the 'NEW' army corps of engineer designed ramps at a few local lakes.

Brakes as stated many times above are highly recommended and most likely required but at least in my state the law isn't enforced.
(Not only that, I can't count how many times I've towed my boat to the ramp and completely forgot to bolt on my trailer license plate, I even got pulled over once in a spot check with no tag, they never said a word, never even looked at the trailer or boat).

Like an earlier post said, you could tow your boat with a garden tractor if you wanted too, its a rolling load and fairly easy to get rolling.
For those who wish to try launching a 19' cuddy cabin boat with a garden tractor, remember that garden tractors have little no brakes, believe me, they won't stop a boat on a ramp, I watched a guy dunk an older Sears tractor in a lake a few years ago, the panic look on his face was priceless, he ended up sitting in about 4' of water with his head and shoulders out of the water when it finally stopped. When he got off the tractor, the back tires floated and it drifted even farther back into the water. I and about 4 other guys jumped in to help and we were able to pull the tractor and boat into shallower water and tie it to the dock while someone unhooked the tractor and pulled the trailer ashore with a truck. So, while a garden tractor will pull it, it most likely won't stop it. In fact simply heading downhill could get you in a real situation. I use a garden tractor to park my boat, and its only a slight decline into my back yard, coming out of my yard is easy, but backing in is more of a controlled drag down the grass covered driveway in the back. Once I get outback, its fine. Its that 40 or so feet of slope alongside the house that's the killer.
 

gtochris

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

Around here it is common to have a crappy trailer for storage/ short distance boat moving- we had something once w/o brakes/ lights that worked perfectly for 10+ years going 1/2 a mile a year...

The Subaru is a no! Not advisable under any circumstance!
 

Lou C

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

The other day I saw a Subaru Outback like our old one pulling a 19' or so Glastron, it was actually doing pretty well except for some rear end sag...but for his sake, I hope he had brakes on the trailer that worked, that boat weighs more than the car, LOL....
 

2300max

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

Wow! A lot of comments...just keep in mind you're on a public roadway with other drivers, and anything can happen. So keep in mind if you can't stop safely you got problems. Do it right, get a friend to tow the boat, properly fit the trailer to the boat, and have fun on the water.
 

H20Rat

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

Towing safety is 99% driver, 1% vehicle. I've seen guys I wouldn't trust towing a tinny behind a F350. Far too many people start towing without any training, and have zero experience before hooking up to a boat.

Personally, I've towed every load imaginable, liquid cargo, live cargo, many of them technically not legal. (technically you need a license to drive, but they don't give those to 10 year olds... ahh, the joy of growing up a farm!) I've also towed 4000+ pounds with my subaru... Would I recommend it to anyone else without tons of experience backing it up, nope.

(also, subaru's are fairly good at towing. AWD, lots of torque, big brakes (mine are larger than a F150), and they aren't full unibody vehicles. There are front and rear subframes, connected via unibody. The hitch bolts to the rear subframe.)

Reality is the guy is driving 2 miles, at presumably roads rated at 25 mph. If I were him, I'd drive about 10 mph and pull it. The ability to stop quickly won't be an issue, you will outstop the f350 towing the tinny because the guy is probably speeding at 35 mph. And there should be NO reason to accelerate quickly. Its called defensive driving...
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: 2 axles no brakes

My $0.02:

No to the subaru on the ramp. But if it's a really shallow ramp, maybe try it and abort at the first strain. Slow on the launch. Better to get someone to pull it out then you hook it up and go home.

On the road: if it was moving it around 2 miles on the farm, no problem. If the road is flat, no traffic, few stops, I might chance it.

For 2x a year I would not invest in brakes or another vehicle. But I would try to borrow a better vehicle.

Paying someone to tow it for you technically has a risk of voiding insurance but in your case I wouldn't worry about that. It's his insurance, anyway, not yours. I've paid a teenager to bring a smaller boat home for me from the hunt club. he's highly skilled and properly equipped, though.

I only pull my boat w/ tandem axle out about 4x a year and three of them are just for cleaning at the ramp. However, I went ahead and had the brakes redone (used trailer), inspected, bought a used spare and made the lights legal b/c I have had to take it to a shop for motor work or bottom paint, maybe 4 times, but that's 10 miles in city traffic, street and interstate. I'd replace the tires if I had a long trip--they are fair but old. I did not add a tow package to the vehicle (Tahoe).

There's nothing wrong with taking risks as long as you carefully assess the risks and get informed advice.
 
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