4.3 MPI 220hp turning 6000 RPM at 48 mph???

Racklefrack

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Keep in mind that MPH gauge could be off more than that current tach so the numbers all need to be checked with a reliable way.

Yeah, I'm just using the speedo numbers for easy reference, not exact measurements. Once I solve the tach issue I'll use my GPS to get more reliable numbers. Thanks!
 

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According to Glastron, it was the dealer who swapped out the drive to a 1.81 and a 23P prop to compensate for the altitude in Colorado where it was originally sold. Otherwise, it would have been sold with the 1.62.

thats common rigging for high altitude..... so what is the issue. fix your tach, go boating. nothing wrong with a 1.81 behind a V6
 

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According to Glastron, it was the dealer who swapped out the drive to a 1.81 and a 23P prop to compensate for the altitude in Colorado where it was originally sold. Otherwise, it would have been sold with the 1.62.

The only reason this is even important is because IF the change to a 1.81 / 23P is not a normal thing, then I don't want to repeat it by installing a new 23P... I'd rather put on a prop that was more "normal" for this boat's operation at closer to sea level, like a 19P or 21P. If, however, the 1.81 / 23P IS a normal thing, then putting on a new 23P wouldn't be that bad an idea.

Ugh... I've only owned the boat a couple of weeks and I already wanna shoot myself in the head :D

That sounds like a reasonable statement from the dealer. I had not seen 1.62:1 drives used from the factory with V6 engines. However, your MPI V6 is putting out as much HP as many carbed 5.0L V8s do. So I can see where it would be arguable to use either ratio drive. ALL THAT MATTERS is that there is a reasonably efficient way to prop the gear ratio so the engine runs within the power curve! Everything else is just numbers.

Props for sterndrives run common sizes from 15" to 25" pitch. For example: if your engine is over-revving with a 23 pitch prop, then there is easy math to figure out how much higher the pitch should be, most likely a 24 or 25 inch. (going to a 21 or 19 pitch takes load OFF the engine and elevates RPMs) There is a lot of variance in prop designs, one of the more complicated topics. But as far as your gear ratio being a problem, I doubt it very much. I run a highish horsepower V6 on a smaller boat than yours and run perfectly within spec with a 4 blade 23 inch prop and a 181 drive. I have no doubt at all that you will not have a problem configuring your WOT RPM with maybe a minor prop adjustment, once you get your tach issue resolved.

Rick
 

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That sounds like a reasonable statement from the dealer. I had not seen 1.62:1 drives used from the factory with V6 engines. However, your MPI V6 is putting out as much HP as many carbed 5.0L V8s do. So I can see where it would be arguable to use either ratio drive. ALL THAT MATTERS is that there is a reasonably efficient way to prop the gear ratio so the engine runs within the power curve! Everything else is just numbers.

Props for sterndrives run common sizes from 15" to 25" pitch. For example: if your engine is over-revving with a 23 pitch prop, then there is easy math to figure out how much higher the pitch should be, most likely a 24 or 25 inch. (going to a 21 or 19 pitch takes load OFF the engine and elevates RPMs) There is a lot of variance in prop designs, one of the more complicated topics. But as far as your gear ratio being a problem, I doubt it very much. I run a highish horsepower V6 on a smaller boat than yours and run perfectly within spec with a 4 blade 23 inch prop and a 181 drive. I have no doubt at all that you will not have a problem configuring your WOT RPM with maybe a minor prop adjustment, once you get your tach issue resolved.

Rick

Thanks, Rick. I appreciate all the info... your experience is a big help to someone like me who doesn't have any.

Mercury said not to go up to a 25P and I don't think I'd really need to. I'm closer to believing that a 23P / 4-blade will be the right one, but I won't know for sure until I fix the tach and take her back out again. I guess that means I'll have to fix this dinged up 23P / 3-blade prop just to have something to run her on... didn't wanna waste money fixing a prop I won't need, but I guess it'll do as a spare.

Thanks again for all your help.
 

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I think the 4.3MPI's are more likely to be shipped with a 1.62, that is what mine has, and others I have seen posting about theirs. A carbed (TKS) 4.3 would be the 1.81. Compensating for altitude makes sense to go from 1.6 to 1.8.

My 4.3MPI with the 1.62 would overrev with a 19p pretty easily no matter the load. The 21p I have on it now is just about right, only hit the rev limiter once when the coupler let go :facepalm:
 

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I think the 4.3MPI's are more likely to be shipped with a 1.62, that is what mine has, and others I have seen posting about theirs. A carbed (TKS) 4.3 would be the 1.81. Compensating for altitude makes sense to go from 1.6 to 1.8.

My 4.3MPI with the 1.62 would overrev with a 19p pretty easily no matter the load. The 21p I have on it now is just about right, only hit the rev limiter once when the coupler let go
:facepalm:

So... if your 4.3 with a 1.62 and a 21P is "just about right," would that make you think a 4.3 with a 1.81 would be just about right with a 23P? Keep in mind I'll likely go for a 4-blade as well (for the hole shot) and that'll shave off 50-100 rpm I should think.

As it is, I feel like the 3-blade 23P is chugging just a bit, especially around the 20 mph range, but I have nothing to compare it to so it's just a feeling... like I wanna downshift one gear. That's why I'm wondering if a 4-blade 23P would be enough to make up the difference or would I have to drop to a 21P?

Oh well, we'll see soon enough. I'm getting my current prop fixed next week and I'll fix the tach while I'm waiting for it. Then we'll give 'er a go at WOT and see what the GPS / rpm numbers tell us.

Thanks for all your help!
 

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Thanks, Rick. I appreciate all the info... your experience is a big help to someone like me who doesn't have any.

Mercury said not to go up to a 25P and I don't think I'd really need to. I'm closer to believing that a 23P / 4-blade will be the right one, but I won't know for sure until I fix the tach and take her back out again. I guess that means I'll have to fix this dinged up 23P / 3-blade prop just to have something to run her on... didn't wanna waste money fixing a prop I won't need, but I guess it'll do as a spare.

Thanks again for all your help.
is your prop aluminum or stainless?

As for thinking you need a 4 blade. You’ve got an 18’ boat with a 220hp engine. In other words, you make excellent power and you’re not moving a lot of weight. I’ve got one of the best 4 blade props on the market (rev4/Q4) and it’s slower than any of my SS 3 blades. The 4th blade introduces more drag. You’re not carrying enough weight on your boat to take advantage of having a 4th blade.

I’m a fan of the mirage+. Mercury would never recommend this prop for your boat. I like it because they’re readily available used and although old, they’re very good. I like the handling aspect more than the speed. It’s a rock solid prop that bites hard and holds. But it’s a large diameter prop that’s a little more geared towards heavier boats.

Personally i think you’d find good results with an enertia/q3. And it sounds like you can safely run any 23p prop on your boat. I wouldn’t run a 25p on an alpha.

You can never have too many props. Last July I only had my old aluminum prop. Now I’ve got 5 SS props in the garage.
 

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So... if your 4.3 with a 1.62 and a 21P is "just about right," would that make you think a 4.3 with a 1.81 would be just about right with a 23P? Keep in mind I'll likely go for a 4-blade as well (for the hole shot) and that'll shave off 50-100 rpm I should think.

As it is, I feel like the 3-blade 23P is chugging just a bit, especially around the 20 mph range, but I have nothing to compare it to so it's just a feeling... like I wanna downshift one gear. That's why I'm wondering if a 4-blade 23P would be enough to make up the difference or would I have to drop to a 21P?

Oh well, we'll see soon enough. I'm getting my current prop fixed next week and I'll fix the tach while I'm waiting for it. Then we'll give 'er a go at WOT and see what the GPS / rpm numbers tell us.

Thanks for all your help!
You should have no issues with most 23P props. I doubt you’ll see much reduction in rpm from any of them. You make a decent amount of power. see my previous post about 4 blade props.

Most boats like yours don’t like the 20mph range, so either go slower, or go faster. The 4.3 typically sees best mpg at 3K rpm. At that engine speed you should be running anywhere from 28-33mph spending on your prop’s efficiency.
 

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4.3 V6 uses 1.81:1.

V8's use 1.62 or lower ratios. You have the correct ratio drive for any V6.




Not convinced by that. His engine isn’t listed there. Worth pointing out that this isn’t the normal carb 4.3. It’s an MPI. The engine listed there only the wee 2. Barrel carb low HP one. This is a completely different engine.
 

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is your prop aluminum or stainless?

As for thinking you need a 4 blade. You’ve got an 18’ boat with a 220hp engine. In other words, you make excellent power and you’re not moving a lot of weight. I’ve got one of the best 4 blade props on the market (rev4/Q4) and it’s slower than any of my SS 3 blades. The 4th blade introduces more drag. You’re not carrying enough weight on your boat to take advantage of having a 4th blade.

I’m a fan of the mirage+. Mercury would never recommend this prop for your boat. I like it because they’re readily available used and although old, they’re very good. I like the handling aspect more than the speed. It’s a rock solid prop that bites hard and holds. But it’s a large diameter prop that’s a little more geared towards heavier boats.

Personally i think you’d find good results with an enertia/q3. And it sounds like you can safely run any 23p prop on your boat. I wouldn’t run a 25p on an alpha.

You can never have too many props. Last July I only had my old aluminum prop. Now I’ve got 5 SS props in the garage.

Excellent info, thanks! Right now the prop is aluminum. Yeah, I'd love a SS prop but I simply don't have the experience to justify the price. Someday.

You may be right about the fourth blade. Do I really need one? I doubt it, and I won't know whether or not I could even put one on until I determine the WOT numbers. But my thought was 1) handling at idle, like when docking; 2) more hole shot punch; 3) less "chugging" at mid-range speeds. I don't mind sacrificing a couple mph off the top if it handles better at "normal" speeds.

We'll see. Thanks again!
 

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You should have no issues with most 23P props. I doubt you’ll see much reduction in rpm from any of them. You make a decent amount of power. see my previous post about 4 blade props.

Most boats like yours don’t like the 20mph range, so either go slower, or go faster. The 4.3 typically sees best mpg at 3K rpm. At that engine speed you should be running anywhere from 28-33mph spending on your prop’s efficiency.

Awesome info... didn't know most boats my size don't like 20mph. That'll save me a lot of headache trying to "fix" a problem that isn't fixable. I have no problem going faster :) Thanks!
 

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Agree with the 20mph thing.
My similar boat sits best at around 27mph and 2400 rpm.....uses about 20litres an hour at that. Very economical at that.
 

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Agree with the 20mph thing.
My similar boat sits best at around 27mph and 2400 rpm.....uses about 20litres an hour at that. Very economical at that.

Great info, thank you. I thought the 20mph issue was my boat's prop "chugging," but if it's as common as you both make it sound then that opens up my options for replacing my prop since the next one won't have to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Thanks!
 

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Now we’re really getting somewhere.
1. Handling at idle. Most single engine I/O boats don’t exhibit the best handling at idle. It’s the nature of the beast. The biggest issue is wandering that requires constant attention. You just learn to deal with it.
2. You want more holeshot. How does it take off now? What kind of boating do you anticipate doing? Watersports? Lightweight cruising? For watersports you go down in pitch, for lightweight cruising you sacrifice some acceleration for higher cruise speeds.
3. Mid range speeds. There’s really only three speeds you’ll run at 95% of the time. Idle near docks and in no wake zones. Cruise, which on a 4.3 is pretty much right at 3000 rpm. And WOT. Don’t worry about how it runs at 2300rpm as it’s unlikely you’ll spend much time there.

Dont waste money repairing aluminum props. They’re not worth it. You can get new Quicksilver aluminum props for less than $100.

The only experience you should have prior to going stainless is learning the environment you’re in and knowing what obstacles are under the water.
 

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I know the following specifications below aren't needed anymore but just wanted to say it's good to see the specifications worked themselves out in here amongst our knowledgeable groups.:encouragement: Thanks guys.:thumb:
https://www.scribd.com/document/356951721/Mercruiser-4-3L-Mpi-Specs ...

4.3 MPI - 220 HP
Specifications

HP:

220

kW:

164

SmartCraft:

Yes

Displacement Liter/CID:

4.3/262

Cylinder/Configuration:

V-6

Bore & Stroke (in):

4.0 x 3.48

Bore & Stroke (mm):

101 x 88

Compression Ratio:

9.4:1

Fuel System:

MPI

Full Throttle RPM Range:

4400-4800

Ignition System:

ECM 555

Alternator Amp:

65

Alternator Watt:

917

Length (in/mm):

28/696

Width (in/mm):

30/740

Height (in/mm):

22/559

Drive Options:

Alpha, Bravo Two, Bravo Three

Drive/Gear Ratios (primary/optional/high altitude):

Alpha 1.62/1.47/1.81:1

Drive/Gear Ratios (primary/optional/high altitude):

Bravo Two 2.2/2.0/-:1

Drive/Gear Ratios (primary/optional/high altitude):

Bravo Three: 2.2/2.43/-:1

Total Weight (lbs./kg):

Alpha: 865/393

Total Weight (lbs./kg):

Bravo Two: 912/414

Total Weight (lbs./kg):

Bravo Three: 921/419

Audio Warning System:

Standard (Engine Guardian)

Ceramic- and EDP-Coated Exhaust Elbows:

Standard

Closed-Cooling:

Optional

Color-Coded Service Points:

Standard

Compact Hydraulic Steering:

Optional

Easy Oil Drain System:

Standard

Exhaust Manifold(s):

EDP-Coated and Painted Cast Iron

Knock Control:

Standard

MerCathode:

Kit (Alpha)/Standard (Bravo)

Platinum-Tipped Spark Plugs:

Standard

Power Steering:

Standard

Remote Oil Filter:

Standard

Risers 3":

Optional

Serpentine Belt:

Standard

Water-Cooled Fuel System:

Standard

Water Drain System:

Alpha: Manual single-point drain w/rotary valve control located on front; Alpha/Bravo Opt.: Hand-removable plugs on port, starboard and front; Bravo: 3-point manual system with drain plugs; Bravo Opt.: Air-actuated, single-point system, pump included

Water/Fuel Separator:

Standard

CARB Star Rating:

3
 

Racklefrack

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Now we’re really getting somewhere.
1. Handling at idle. Most single engine I/O boats don’t exhibit the best handling at idle. It’s the nature of the beast. The biggest issue is wandering that requires constant attention. You just learn to deal with it.


Yep, that's the easy part. Mine wanders like a drunken sailor, but it's no big deal.

2. You want more holeshot. How does it take off now? What kind of boating do you anticipate doing? Watersports? Lightweight cruising? For watersports you go down in pitch, for lightweight cruising you sacrifice some acceleration for higher cruise speeds.

I should clarify something: This entire issue isn't because I want something different, it's because I think I have the wrong prop on there. If I'm going to change it I figured we might as well get the most performance out of the new prop as I can. Basically, if we have the right prop on there then I really don't want to change anything. But if we need to replace the prop -- and we won't know until I fix the tach -- then we might as well take advantage of the opportunity and put something even better on there.

That all said, she takes off out of the hole just like you'd expect -- pops the bow up into the air, takes 2-3 seconds to plane then levels out beautifully. To get her to do all of that, i have to hammer her down nearly WOT... just going to 3/4 throttle or so and she'll take forever to get up and over the bow wave.

What I was thinking is that a 4-blade prop might give it a better hole shot for my wife, who prefers to drive a little more conservatively than I do. If that's not practical then we'll be absolutely happy with how she performs now, assuming we have the correct prop installed (still haven't fixed the tach so still don't know.)

As for how we anticipate using the boat, the vast majority of the time it will be just my wife and I... no watersports, light-ish load. So we don't need a better hole shot, BUT... if a different prop (like a 4-blade) makes it easier for my wife to drive AND makes it easier to maneuver while docking AND it only costs us 1-2 mph off the top, those are all wins for us. If none of that is true then there's no reason to change.

3. Mid range speeds. There’s really only three speeds you’ll run at 95% of the time. Idle near docks and in no wake zones. Cruise, which on a 4.3 is pretty much right at 3000 rpm. And WOT. Don’t worry about how it runs at 2300rpm as it’s unlikely you’ll spend much time there.

That makes perfect sense :)

Dont waste money repairing aluminum props. They’re not worth it. You can get new Quicksilver aluminum props for less than $100.

The only reason I'm repairing this one is because we're not sure yet of what pitch prop should be on the boat. If I knew for certain what the pitch should be I'd be buying it and never looking back. So I need something to run the boat on to test the pitch as soon as I resolve the tach issue... it might as well be the prop that came with the boat when I bought it. Plus, I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up buying a new and improved prop anyway no matter what, so this repaired one will make a decent spare.

I'm either wasting $65 to the repair this one or possibly wasting much more on a prop that I won't know is the right pitch until I test it, which may be too late. I need a spare prop anyway, might as well be the repaired one that's cheaper.


The only experience you should have prior to going stainless is learning the environment you’re in and knowing what obstacles are under the water.

Funny you should mention that... the reason I need to repair this prop is because the lower Colorado river was running a lot lower than it was reported to be. I looked up the dam release times and amounts and it should have been higher than it was, but instead of being 4' deep it was 2' deep and, well... the rest, as they say, is history. So I THOUGHT I knew what was under there, but clearly I need more experience, i.e. learning not to be so trusting of dam release reports :)

I really appreciate all the info, thank you!
 

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You should have no issues with most 23P props. I doubt you’ll see much reduction in rpm from any of them. You make a decent amount of power. see my previous post about 4 blade props.

Most boats like yours don’t like the 20mph range, so either go slower, or go faster. The 4.3 typically sees best mpg at 3K rpm. At that engine speed you should be running anywhere from 28-33mph spending on your prop’s efficiency.

Racklefrack I agree with porscheguy , your 23p 3 blade oughta be pretty close. And that was the unsaid point of my post, comparing green to red apples with the 1.62/21p to a 181/23p in similar size and purposed boats.
 
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