Americans Killed on Hijacked Yacht

[Fireman431]

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The constant attacks are a fact of life and anyone who has any notion of travelling the world already knows that. Somolia has had no government in place since 1991 and pirating of vessels has been in the news for years. Why in the world would those yachters put themselves and their companions at risk by boating through Somolian waters without a U.S. military escort? I'm putting 95% of the blame on the pirates for causing this tragic event, but a little has to lie with the Captain for moving through this known area of desperation.

RIP for the captain and crew and I'm all in favor of sinking all suspected pirate vessels at sea. I never leave the slip without some type of protection to repels boarders, as far fetched as it may seem.

 

[mommicked]

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One of the crew worked 35mi.from me.they said yesterday she took a 2 yr sabatical? to cruise around the world, and spread the good word.I wonder if religion played a role In the deaths?

 

[LippCJ7]

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All I am going to say is you cannot go anywhere in this world unless you are prepared to protect yourself, If you chose not to protect yourself then I hope your intelligent enough to know what awaits you.

I'm not sayin I wouldn't do the around the world in 10 years trip, Just that I would be armed enough to take a small navy out....

Hows that QC? I didn't even talk about zombies or nothin!!

 

[kenmyfam]

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No political comments, just that the pirates need to be taken out of the equation so much as to discourage any others from being part of it.
Whatever it takes !!!

 

[mscher]

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I'll probably take a shot across my bow for this, but since the first sailing ship ever hit the water, was it not the Captain's responsibility, to avoid known pirate-infested waters, when possible?

Around Christmas, the Quest joined the Blue Water Rally, an around-the-world race. But race organizers said the Americans recently left the race despite what Fox said were warnings about the dangers of sailing in the Horn of Africa region.

The Blue Water Rally said in a statement Tuesday that though yachtsmen are discouraged from sailing in the region, the only other choices are to sail around the stormy and dangerous tip of South Africa or sail back across the Pacific.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=12975087&page=3

 

[RGrew176]

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The Navy needs to take a common ordinary merchant ship. Arm it, keeping it disguised of course to look like an unarmed merchant ship. Let the pirates come in close enough the pop out the weaponry and blast them to kingdom come. The Germans used this tactic quite well during WWII to attack allied shipping. They would have every right to defend themselves, now wouldn't they.

 

[mscher]

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Killing Somali pirates sounds like great vengance, but unfortunately, for every dead Somali pirate, there are 50 more Somalis, waiting to take their place.

Do we really want to become the full-time "Policemen" of the Arabian Sea?

 

[Woodnaut]

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They have stuck their finger in the eye of the Americans. I would imagine that even now many persons who work in the management and defense of our country are seriously considering a thoughtful course of action. Few things raise the ire of good men like the loss of innocent people. This is mayhem and it cannot continue but Mscher makes a good point - the US can't go this alone.

 

[Fly Rod]

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They new that they were going to sail into harms way. The captain/owner not only put his wife and friends in jeopardy, also the American military. He was as foolish as the couple that went water jet skiing in mexican waters and the husband was shot dead.

 

[DayCruiser]

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To me this follows the line of Americans hiking in Iran and Iraq. These people were warned not to go into pirate infested waters. They were even warned to take guns. You have to use some common sense to survive in this world.
I was thinking about the decoy idea this morning too. Have a boat or ship armed to the teeth. Take no prisoners. We don't want to support these morons in our jails

 

[CN Spots]

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I'm not at all familiar with the laws of international sea travel but aren't you checked at ports (and sometimes on the water) for weapons/drugs etc? Are you allowed to carry a certain level of protection onboard and does that amount vary between international waters and waters governed by certain nations? Especially ones that forbid the possession of firearms?

If so, what is allowed? Pistol? AK-47? 5" cannons?

 

[DayCruiser]

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I'm not at all familiar with the laws of international sea travel but aren't you checked at ports (and sometimes on the water) for weapons/drugs etc? Are you allowed to carry a certain level of protection onboard and does that amount vary between international waters and waters governed by certain nations? Especially ones that forbid the possession of firearms?

If so, what is allowed? Pistol? AK-47? 5" cannons?

Yea that was one of the reason they gave for not carrying weapons. All they had was a flair gun. I doubt if they would have been a match for pirates even with guns. BUT these pirates are know to work that small area of the ocean. These people just wanted to hand out bibles ... Noble cause but really suicidal in that area

 

[sasto]

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I'm not at all familiar with the laws of international sea travel but aren't you checked at ports (and sometimes on the water) for weapons/drugs etc? Are you allowed to carry a certain level of protection onboard and does that amount vary between international waters and waters governed by certain nations? Especially ones that forbid the possession of firearms?

If so, what is allowed? Pistol? AK-47? 5" cannons?

You have a good point, CN Spots. Entering Canada's Welland Canal we are forced to declare weapons. They were removed fron vessel and returned to us leaving the country. Same can be said about the Bahamas and other Caribbean nations. Most nations have allowed us to remain in possession of our weapons, they must stay onboard.

A flair gun can also be converted to fire 12 ga. shells. Sinkers can be shot from a homemade cannon.

that said....I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

 

[Fireman431]

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The better plan would be to keep your vessel and your crew away from known hazardous areas. Maybe they thought that they wouldn't have problems since they were bacisally vacationing missionaries? Should have been vacationing mercinaries...

 

[QC]

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Hows that QC? I didn't even talk about zombies or nothin!!

Perfect.

No political comments, just that the pirates need to be taken out of the equation so much as to discourage any others from being part of it.
Whatever it takes !!!

Similarly perfect.

Do we really want to become the full-time "Policemen" of the Arabian Sea?

Danger zone.

They have stuck their finger in the eye of the Americans. I would imagine that even now many persons who work in the management and defense of our country are seriously considering a thoughtful course of action. Few things raise the ire of good men like the loss of innocent people. This is mayhem and it cannot continue but Mscher makes a good point - the US can't go this alone.

Ooogah, ooogah . . .

I know this is an International topic, but when we talk about going alone and Americans as the World's Police we invite political debate and it always goes south. Tough line and I don't claim to know where it is precisely, but let's keep this discussion to comments like. "They shouldn't have gone there", "Sink the basturds and let the sharks mete out justice" . . . etc.

 

[DaNinja]

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I found a capitalist solution...
Adventure Cruises

 

[mommicked]

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That cruise beats the crap out of my fishing tournament idea.

 

[QC]

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"the object of the cruise is to sail up and down the Somali Coast waiting to get hijacked by pirates."

Trolling for Pirates . . .

I am on the fence about one thing here. Some are saying that these people were basically stupid. They knew of the risks and they took them. I guess the alternative was to not go around the world as the alternative is to go all the way around the Cape. Obviously The Red Sea and the Suez to the Med is the better route. So I really hate that anybody accepts this situation and goes around. That's giving in, so I have to give them credit for going for it . . . Tough deal all around.

 

[LippCJ7]

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So if I were to post about Ports that do not allow weapons then do not protect those that sail would that be hypocritical? I'm all for trolling for pirates, Sign me up, I'll take two, in honor of the four that died, do I get a discount if I provide my own equipment?



P***es me right off


Sorry QC, it just irritates me

 

[QC]

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Oh, I'm plenty irritated I was only asking were they stupid or heroes for going for it despite the risks?