Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

[pecheux]

I normaly use Amsoil Injector oil with my OB's at 50:1 mix ratio.

Tried the Amsoi Saber 100:1 oil at 80:1 and was not happy with the results. Though my OB did not have this soaking in oil sound anymore.

My question is: If I use that Saber OB oil at 50:1 ratio will my OB's run too rich in oil and smoke or have plugs foul up ?

Tx

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

I don't care who makes the oil and what the oil manufacturer claims, run all of them at the MOTOR manufacturer's designated ratio, and make sure it's TCW-3 Certified. If it isn't, it's crap!

 

[floatingwoody2006]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

I was told to run my Yamaha outboard at 50-1 Instead of the 100-1 in the manual. Now you all have me re-thinking..

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

I normaly use Amsoil Injector oil with my OB's at 50:1 mix ratio.

Tried the Amsoi Saber 100:1 oil at 80:1 and was not happy with the results. Though my OB did not have this soaking in oil sound anymore.


Tx

Please explain!!!!

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

Oil War alert!

 

[jspringator]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

OMC abandoned the 100 to 1 recommendation a few years back because of some internal corrosion problems. I really can't imagine a reason to use Amsoil when WalMart sells the full synthetic Pennzoil so cheap.

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

I don't want to see any oil "war" here, and if there is, I'll delete the whole thread..NOW, with that out of the way, obviously some people are more of a certain brand-lover than another.
I do believe, however, that IF the oil is labeled as being a TC-W3 CERTIFIED oil, it will not hurt anything in a carbed 2-stroke outboard that is ran near or with-in reason of the manufacturers specs.
There ARE situations where some synthetics are better than dino oil...one is extended low RPM...the other is extended high RPM WELL above the manufacture's specs.
A few years back (about 2 boards ago) While testing props, I also ran several different brands of oil in my carbed, slightly modified 200 'Rude.
There IS a difference in how these oils performed, but not a difference where you may think. My problem was excessive amounts of "extra" oil at Idle with some, which caused leaking on the floor spots later. All of the synthetics I tested showed a very slight increase in RPM-maybe 25-30.
Engine damage???...I don't think any of them were run long enough to have any data for that, but some did smoke more than others. Comp checks after every day were basically with-in a pound in every cylinder...once in a while I might have one a few lbs low, or even high....normal in my book.
Right now I run what several here consider junk...the HPI Amsoil.
My engine is set-up to run well over 7500RPM although those are short periods of time, I've had no issues in about 500hrs with this oil.
Would I tell you to run it even though it's not "actually" TC-W3 rated? I'd say yes....if you choose to do so. Would I tell you to run Fred's brand of std Dino that is TC-W3 rated in the carbed engines? Yes...because it passed the standards by which the oil is tested for TC-W3 certification.
Yet I still believe there are better and best oils out there, rest assured it's "GOOD enough" if it's TC-W3 rated(for carbed 2-stroke outboards).
If it's not TC-W3 rated (Certified), you better trust that manufacturer's oil, period.

 

[roscoe]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

I can't imagine a reason to use full-syn Pennzoil when Amsoil is so readily available at such a low price.

HAve to drive 45 miles to get the Pennzoil, can get the Amsoil at a dozen stores along the drive. Same price or cheaper.

As usual, Willy is carrying the water for big corporate Emerika and the big oil companies. LOL Perhaps there should be only one oil company, owned by the gubment.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

OMC abandoned the 100 to 1 recommendation a few years back because of some internal corrosion problems. I really can't imagine a reason to use Amsoil when WalMart sells the full synthetic Pennzoil so cheap.

Not available at the Wallmarts in my region ... but Amsoil Injector (50:1) is available at Canadian Tire.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

Actualy my question has not been answered by anybody. I normaly use Amsoil HPI at 50:1. Could use OMC and be just as happy ... lol It was just a choice and it's available a few blocks away.

I tried the Amsoil Saber which is recommended for a 100:1 mix ratio. Did not like it the test result so now I will either garbage the 2 quarts of Amsoil Saber or use it at 50:1 mix ratio.

My question was: Since that oil is recommended for 100:1 mix I am wondering if using it at 50:1 ratio can make my OB's overlubed thus smoking, and/or have plugs foul up.

 

[roscoe]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

Running it at 50:1 shouldn't bother anything.
But if you think it is smoking too much, then stop using it.

Personally, I love the smell of 2-stroke in the morning.

Since I've been using the HPI, I don't get to smell it.

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

The Sabre 100:1 is intended and designed to run at 100:1.
I'm a firm believer in 50:1 only in pre-mix...the Saber has an additive package for 100:1 and running 50:1 with that oil is not a good thing in my mind.
If you were using HPI, there is NO reason to run the Saber, and I would not recommend it.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

The Sabre 100:1 is intended and designed to run at 100:1.
I'm a firm believer in 50:1 only in pre-mix...the Saber has an additive package for 100:1 and running 50:1 with that oil is not a good thing in my mind.
If you were using HPI, there is NO reason to run the Saber, and I would not recommend it.

Tx Walleyehed, that the opinion I was after. Went from Quicksilver to Amsoil HPI to get less smoke and smell and I am happy about the change. Using the Saber OB oil was a test for my personal satisfaction hoping to get even less odor and smoke .. turns out the smoke is equivalent and the smell is stronger that with the HPI. Base on your opinion I will not run the Saber at 50:1. The Saber will be a give away ... lol

Thank you for your feedback.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

Please explain!!!!

Well you know that I am an Amsoil fan ... been using HPI for several years in both my Force 15hp and Johnson 9.9

Also using Amsoil marine sythetic gear oil in the Force since the lower unit is the non-thru hub type (small) and contains less than half the quantity of oil than the Johnson so I feel it needs superior lubrification.

Upon using the Saber OB oil with the Force I noticed more vibrations in the tiller handle from mid to wot, and the odor was not as low as when running with the HPI. Also the engine was slightly noisier. On a positive note idling was steadier.

Let's keep in mind that although it has few hours on it my 1997 Force (ex Chrysler) is not the most technicaly advance motor ... but it loves the HPI oil ... lol

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

As usual, Willy is carrying the water for big corporate Emerika and the big oil companies. LOL

I don't care who makes it, but if Amsoil's 2-stroke oils don't pass the TCW test, it's crap. Amsoil's 4-stroke marine oils passed the FCW test, so that's not crap.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Amsoil Saber at 50:1 mix ratio ??

I don't care who makes it, but if Amsoil's 2-stroke oils don't pass the TCW test, it's crap. Amsoil's 4-stroke marine oils passed the FCW test, so that's not crap.

Hi, I dont realy care what company makes the 2 cycle oil I use ... I am mainly looking for results, mainly low smoke and low odor since I sit next to the motor. In your opinion which Tc-W3 oil approved brand would be best to acheave that goal ?

Tx