Another new owner/boat thread

TTA89

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Hi All,

We bought a house that has about 150 feet of lake front property in October. Now that the lake has thawed we are getting excited to spend our 1st summer here and are thinking about water toys. The lake we are on is relatively small, 375 acres and it's part of the town water supply so they don't allow swimming or water sports but gas engines are allowed.

I met the owner of the local boat and dock store a few miles from the house and he took the time to explain everything to us and was great. He is building us an aluminum dock and will be out next week to install it. Once that is done, it will be time for a boat. He carries the Lowe line of Pontoon boats and told us he just wants to sell volume and is willing to show us the invoices and sell for 400-500 over invoice. The boat will be docked at the house from May-October and then taken out and stored at the local boat store and winterized. We aren't going to use the boat in other lakes, in fact we won't even buy a trailer.

We looked at a 2013 Lowe SS210 which is 21 feet and has a Merc 60hp 4 stroke Bigfoot on it. We are looking for a cruiser that will comfortably hold 6 with a push to 10 or 11 during 4th of July type stuff. 99% of the time there will be 3-4 of us on the boat cruising around the lake, having dinner and drinks and looking at the houses. The lake doesn't get very rough, a little choppy in the wind but no major waves. We have family with a house on the other side and will use the boat as a water taxi when the weather is nice. :)

We both have grown up on boats and feel comfortable jumping right in but I want to make sure we buy the right boat. I think I want to jump up to the 90hp motor, looking at outboard prices online it looks like it's only $1500 more to buy a 90 vs 60BF. I don't know what it is to have it optioned on the boat, I can't imagine it's much different. Should I go for the 90? My thought is that on a windy day if I have a loaded boat I don't want to be bogged down going back and forth across the lake which is about a mile.

We are going to a boat show this Sunday and hope to see some other stuff and then figure out what we want. Our price range is in the low 20s. Any recommendations or must haves that we should look for? I don't really care about the brand, it seems that almost everyone builds a decent boat, it's just more of a preference. I'd like to deal with the local guy since they are so close and will take care of us since we are going to buy a dock, boat, and have them store and maintain it.

Thanks!
 

BobGinCO

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Yes, you will want the 90.
A 21 footer should be adequate for most of your uses.
10 or 11 is going to be crowded.
I've had 8 adults on my 24, and it was a bit crowded - but nothing like 4 adults in a Bayliner 19!
 

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Odd that they don't let you swim in the water because of drinking purposes but will allow you to operate gas engines?
Sounds weird to me.....I would still probably jump in to cool off! :D
 

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Odd that they don't let you swim in the water because of drinking purposes but will allow you to operate gas engines?


That's the way it is in all the lakes managed by Denver Water Board.
 

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We are pretty sure it was done this way to keep it more of a local quiet lake. There are no services and the launch is for town residents only, by not allowing swimming I think it keeps everyone off except the people with lakefront property like us. I didn't make the rules, just trying to follow them.

I'm so up in the air on engine size. My neighbor has a 20ft pontoon and it had a 40hp on it that caught on fire. She replaced it was a 25hp and said it's fine for cruising around the lake. It kinda makes my 60 vs 90 discussion sound stupid but I'd still like to be able to go out and have some fun with a little speed.

I'll hopefully find out the price difference at the boat show this weekend. :D
 

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I'm so up in the air on engine size. My neighbor has a 20ft pontoon and it had a 40hp on it that caught on fire. She replaced it was a 25hp and said it's fine for cruising around the lake. It kinda makes my 60 vs 90 discussion sound stupid but I'd still like to be able to go out and have some fun with a little speed.

Obviously, you need the 115!!!
 

ezmobee

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I'm all for more power but on this size lake, I can't see you needing a 90.
 

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I'm all for more power but on this size lake, I can't see you needing a 90.

This is my first thought as well. Stick with the 60. IMO the lake is too small to really need anything larger. Assuming anything closer than 200' to shore is "no wake speed" then when you get out of the no wake zone and accelerate, by the time you'd reach max speed, you'd have to begin slowing down.

Will this be on Canobie Lake? Looks like its ~1,000 ft wide by maybe 1.25 miles long. Stick with the 60.
 

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Hi All,

We bought a house that has about 150 feet of lake front property in October. Now that the lake has thawed we are getting excited to spend our 1st summer here and are thinking about water toys. The lake we are on is relatively small, 375 acres and it's part of the town water supply so they don't allow swimming or water sports but gas engines are allowed.

I met the owner of the local boat and dock store a few miles from the house and he took the time to explain everything to us and was great. He is building us an aluminum dock and will be out next week to install it. Once that is done, it will be time for a boat. He carries the Lowe line of Pontoon boats and told us he just wants to sell volume and is willing to show us the invoices and sell for 400-500 over invoice. The boat will be docked at the house from May-October and then taken out and stored at the local boat store and winterized. We aren't going to use the boat in other lakes, in fact we won't even buy a trailer.

We looked at a 2013 Lowe SS210 which is 21 feet and has a Merc 60hp 4 stroke Bigfoot on it. We are looking for a cruiser that will comfortably hold 6 with a push to 10 or 11 during 4th of July type stuff. 99% of the time there will be 3-4 of us on the boat cruising around the lake, having dinner and drinks and looking at the houses. The lake doesn't get very rough, a little choppy in the wind but no major waves. We have family with a house on the other side and will use the boat as a water taxi when the weather is nice. :)

We both have grown up on boats and feel comfortable jumping right in but I want to make sure we buy the right boat. I think I want to jump up to the 90hp motor, looking at outboard prices online it looks like it's only $1500 more to buy a 90 vs 60BF. I don't know what it is to have it optioned on the boat, I can't imagine it's much different. Should I go for the 90? My thought is that on a windy day if I have a loaded boat I don't want to be bogged down going back and forth across the lake which is about a mile.

We are going to a boat show this Sunday and hope to see some other stuff and then figure out what we want. Our price range is in the low 20s. Any recommendations or must haves that we should look for? I don't really care about the brand, it seems that almost everyone builds a decent boat, it's just more of a preference. I'd like to deal with the local guy since they are so close and will take care of us since we are going to buy a dock, boat, and have them store and maintain it.

Thanks!


We owned a Lowe when we lived in Mi and it was a great boat, never had a problem with it. We let it go with the cottage when we moved to Ga it was 13 years old. It had an Evinrude 50hp on it.

I would go with the 90hp if the price isn't that much different, you never know when someone might want to tube or ski.
 

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This is my first thought as well. Stick with the 60. IMO the lake is too small to really need anything larger. Assuming anything closer than 200' to shore is "no wake speed" then when you get out of the no wake zone and accelerate, by the time you'd reach max speed, you'd have to begin slowing down.

Will this be on Canobie Lake? Looks like its ~1,000 ft wide by maybe 1.25 miles long. Stick with the 60.

Yeah, it's Canobie Lake. I stopped by a neighbors house who has a Sweetwater shrink wrapped in his yard and saw a 90hp Yamaha on the back. I couldn't tell the size, looked at least to be a 22 footer.

I was reading the Mercury motors under 90hp are made in China and the 90+ are made in the USA?

I wonder what the fuel consumption will be just putting around the lake, if there is any real difference between the 60 and 90.

I'll probably get the 90, I don't want to be disappointed. :)
 

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Get the biggest engine the transom will handle. If you don't want the speed or power, throttle back. When you go wide open with that 60hp and only hit about 15 mph, you will wish you had the bigger engine.
 

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This is my first thought as well. Stick with the 60. IMO the lake is too small to really need anything larger. Assuming anything closer than 200' to shore is "no wake speed" then when you get out of the no wake zone and accelerate, by the time you'd reach max speed, you'd have to begin slowing down.

Will this be on Canobie Lake? Looks like its ~1,000 ft wide by maybe 1.25 miles long. Stick with the 60.

If no water sports are allowed you will not need to pull anyone so you don't need that power.

If the lake is less than 2 miles long what's your hurry to get anywhere?

I'm a sceptic so the line about volume and price over invoice doesn't fly with me.

Just my opinion but I would not buy a boat until I took a cruise on your neighbor's boat with the 25HP because I think that is the low end of what you need with 50 being the top end.

On the other hand, if you want to think about resale to someone using it in bigger water and the number of wanna go faster than the other guy boaters out there, maybe 90HP is too small.

PS. Congrats on your purchase of the lake home, lakefront living is a very unique lifestyle. As they say, if your lucky enough to live on the lake, your lucky enough.
 
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My vote is for the biggest motor the boat can handle. Yes it uses more fuel especially when running at top speed but at cruising speed it will be minimal. The yamaha website shows fuel consumption curve of the different motors. It might have even been on the Sweetwater website. Several years ago when I bought my 20ft sweetwater the upgrade to the 90 from the 60 was only $1400 more. Come resale time it will definitely help as well.
 

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I know Canobie Lake (I've ridden on the park's pontoon boat) and it's a very small body of water. You will not be cruising around at 20 mph, more like 10 at best. Like others have alluded to, it's more enjoyable to cruise at 1/2 throttle because the noise will be less and the fuel mileage will be better than at WOT so at the very least buy an engine that will allow your cruise speed at 1/2 throttle when loaded with your expect group size. As far as resale value goes it may be a wash until you get into the 150 or greater range. Given choice between a 60 or 90 I would go with the 90.
 

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You will not be cruising around at 20 mph, more like 10 at best. Like others have alluded to, it's more enjoyable to cruise at 1/2 throttle because the noise will be less and the fuel mileage will be better than at WOT so at the very least buy an engine that will allow your cruise speed at 1/2 throttle when loaded with your expect group size.

I would think the 60 would be able to hit 10 MPH at half throttle with little problem. Secondly, if it's a new engine I don't think engine noise will be a concern at all. I can hardly hear my 135 HP Honda on our pontoon at any speed. It may be a moot point as I think the OP has said she'll probably opt for the 90 HP anyway. Fuel usage between the two will be so close it shouldn't be an issue either way. All comes down to their comfort level with the purchase.
 

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We went to the boat show today and for the 1st time were able to crawl into about 20 boats and check them all out. It's pretty amazing how luxo some of these boats are if you want to spend 30k-40k-50k! Wow....

In the end, for our little lake we still liked the Lowe SS210 the best. It looks great and the price rocks, most of the boats with the typical beige interior remind me of a boat for Florida retires. We are in our 30s and want something to drink and cruise around the shore line on. Our back yard is the lake and we don't have to "get anywhere" so we opted for the 60hp Bigfoot. Total price for the boat with the cover was $19,500 dropped in our lake with the 1st year winterization and shrink wrap thrown in. I don't think we could beat that and the boat yard is 4 miles from the house.

Since we bought a boat, they moved us up to Tuesday for the Dock installation and hopefully we can get all the paperwork done to receive it later this week!

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nice looking pontoon, congraulations you will love it
 

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IMO, I think a lake that size is too small for a 90. Sort of like owning a vette in La... You just sit in traffic. A 40 or a 60 would be adequate.
 

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Btw, there were toons at our local show over 100k. Yes , it's nuts what you can buy especially when your imagination is the only limiting factor.
 

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This is going to be a great summer for you! Don't forget to write.
 
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