Anybody looking for some Mary Jane?

Kenneth Brown

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Re: Anybody looking for some Mary Jane?

Well I'm real suprised they haven't killed it yet but ya'll have been very civil about everything too though. So just in case it gets locked down or killed I'll say it again- I've never smoked MJ but I would if it was legalised (sp?).
 

1730V

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What's with the references to trees? A field of hemp, corn or whatever puts out a lot more oxygen that the same area of old growth forest. It's mathmatics. Square inches of leaf to area.

Nobody screams when we cut down a corn stalk yet people go apoplectic when a tree gets cut. BOTH ARE PLANTS and completely renewable. Maybe, for enormous trees, not in our lifetime-so what?

We have a hard enough time controlling drunks behind the wheel now we want to add another layer of potheads?
 

MikDee

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If not legalized Why Not decriminalized! If such a thing is an option? It's so sad seeing casual users, being grouped together and punished like hardened heavy drug dealers! If it is theoretically not addictive, and people are not getting hooked on it, what's the damage? why couldn't it be regulated like alcohol,,, or cigarettes? Shoot, these two are more addictive, and more destructive!
 

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What's with the references to trees? A field of hemp, corn or whatever puts out a lot more oxygen that the same area of old growth forest. It's mathmatics. Square inches of leaf to area.

Nobody screams when we cut down a corn stalk yet people go apoplectic when a tree gets cut. BOTH ARE PLANTS and completely renewable. Maybe, for enormous trees, not in our lifetime-so what?

We have a hard enough time controlling drunks behind the wheel now we want to add another layer of potheads?

Wrong, a drunk behind the wheel can't go fast enough! A pothead behind the wheel can't go slow enough, besides they'd get "Too Small" for their feet to reach the pedals :D from what I've heard, of course :D
 

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If not legalized Why Not decriminalized! If such a thing is an option? It's so sad seeing casual users, being grouped together and punished like hardened heavy drug dealers! If it is theoretically not addictive, and people are not getting hooked on it, what's the damage? why couldn't it be regulated like alcohol,,, or cigarettes? Shoot, these two are more addictive, and more destructive!

Theory and reality are quite often opposite. Not saying the latter are not addicitive, so we add another?

20 MPH in the passing lane is just as dangerous as 90. ;-)

We had better be careful this topic has poof written all over it.
 

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We don't grow it in the basement. We grow it up in the trees. Harder to spot and it keeps the rabbits and deer from eating it....ANIMAL :D

Actually, its the deer and rabbits and humans that growers kill and maim to "protect" their crop that disgusts me. Here in the "Emerald Triangle" of California, it used to be ma and pa hippie comedians ie Cheech&Chong types growing and kind of living off the land. There got to be so much money in it that some real nasty people got into it. They do a lot of damage to public land and animals. They kill each other, which is a non-event, but they also shoot at plain folk and even law enforcement. Now there are huge grows that use illegals to do the work. The same people that deal smokin dope, also deal meth, crack, smack, whatever blows up your skirt. Some bumper stickers here say "Save a child, smoke a Doper". Carry on.
 

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Staying out of the MJ end of things, I would like to answer the difference between a 300 year old tree and a cornstalk.

I doubt that you could prove that a field of corn produces more 02 than the same acreage in old growth trees, but if you can provide some evidence to back that up, I would be interested to see it.

But trees provide something more than just oxygen and some tp to wipe yer hiney with.

if you go and look at a creek that flows through old growth forest in a heavy rain, you will see a creek that does not rise much and still runs clear.

if you look at the same creek after the clearcut, and for years afterwards, you will see a creek that floods regularly and runs brown even during modest rain events. it is shallow and warm and fish that try to live there are exposed to predators and disease.

Old trees not only soften the fall of the rain, reducing erosion, but each big tree acts like a water tank, absorbing literally tons of water and transpiring it back into the air. Small plantation trees and seedlings cannot do this on the same scale that old trees can.

that right there is enough of a reason for me to want to be moderate in the taking of old growth trees, and especially intact old growth forests. I love clean water, healthy salmon runs AND quality lumber and other forest products, such as edible wild mushrooms. The corn field does NOT provide much protection against erosion, whatever its other benefits are.

If I look at the satellite photos of my region, I see a LOT of bare brown dirt, and a lot less of older forests. And my creek runs brown and high and floods frequently, and the salmon runs are hanging on by a thread. Almost no chinook return to this watershed for the last two seasons. The mouth of the creek where it goes into the Columbia is about 18 inches deep at low tide, where it used to be twenty feet.

I went walking in a small patch of protected old growth forest today, and I can tell you that there are a LOT of other important differences between a forest full of 3-10' thick spruce and hemlock trees and a field of corn.
 

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Actually, its the deer and rabbits and humans that growers kill and maim to "protect" their crop that disgusts me. Here in the "Emerald Triangle" of California, ...... Carry on.

I used to live in the coastal zone of that area. I know of what you speak, and that's why I left and came back north.

Too crazy and too many creeps brought in by the money.

Beautiful country though...
 
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"AND quality lumber"

You can't cut them so forget that idea. It's plastic for you my freind and that is made of oil.

Did you ever look at photos of circa 1900? There are no trees within site. Look at a photo circa 2000 of the same piece of land. Trees everywhere.
 

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"AND quality lumber"

You can't cut them so forget that idea.

Actually, I never said never to cut any tree. I would love to see the return of real forestry and growing natural, healthy forests in 100-200 year rotations, and having a sustained, MODEST harvest of quality lumber. This is not the corporate way though...

Did you ever look at photos of circa 1900? There are no trees within site. Look at a photo circa 2000 of the same piece of land. Trees everywhere.

in my neighborhood, there were still plenty of old forests around to take pictures of in 1900. Now, mostly bare dirt or young plantation trees. I'm looking at the photo right now, on google maps. Unfortunately, there were no satellite photos in 1900, because the comparison in this area would be really interesting.

No, I can assure you that THIS neighborhood was covered in much, much larger trees in 1900 than today.
 

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"AND quality lumber"

You can't cut them so forget that idea. It's plastic for you my freind and that is made of oil.

Did you ever look at photos of circa 1900? There are no trees within site. Look at a photo circa 2000 of the same piece of land. Trees everywhere.
Good, it appears that the legislation to keep the 'Robber Barons' in check is actually working....;)
 

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500 lbs?
childs play...
i live in a county of less than 200,000. (in california of course:mad:) our sheriffs department along with federal agents have confiscated 42,000 plants so far this year alone. now that's a lot of dope. I have talked to narcotics task force officers in our dept and they say when flying over the county it is easier to count houses without marijuana than it is to count those with.

I think that this country should either outlaw and enforce it better or legalize and tax the hell out of it.:D
 
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Haut Medoc

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I would go as far to say that if they were to make available a permit to grow a certain amount legally on your personal property, that most people would pay said permit fee to comply.....
Not only would it raise tax revenue, it would take BIG PROFIT out of BIG POT......;)
It would also free up the courts quite a bit, I would imagine....:)
 

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And keep emergency services busy...

I didn't get much sleep last night because of MJ. Not me, personally, but a young college kid that was "Gazing at the stars" with a bunch of friends and enjoying his tokes. At midnight he stepped off the cliff - literally - in a remote area that could only be accessed by stopping the trains and traveling the tracks to get there. After doing the ropes rescue, we had him down and off to the trauma center.

He will survive, most of his friends ran off on him (we saw them running as we going to the scene), only 3 stayed with him. I am sure without the weed the thought process would have been a little better than being out in the middle of no where, on top of a cliff, toking away. He fell 45 feet and we carted him the last 250 feet the tracks. A little intelligence would have had them staying off the weed and off the top of the cliff at midnight!
 

Haut Medoc

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Could have just as easily been alchohol, & I'd be very surprised if it were not involved as well.....:rolleyes:
I'm guessing they were all minors?........;)
 

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Most minors, the fall victim was 18, and the ages of those that stayed went to 22. No alcohol that we could tell, smell, or they would admit to, but they did admit to the weed.
 

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Most minors, the fall victim was 18, and the ages of those that stayed went to 22. No alcohol that we could tell, smell, or they would admit to, but they did admit to the weed.

Hey, he just wanted a closer look at the stars,,,lol,,, I don't blame the drugs, I blame stupidity here,,, so be it, Sorry for your inconvenience, but I'm glad there are rescue people like yourself.
 

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Hopefully he will recover fully....:)
Teenagers don't always do the brightest things, even when they are not on anything......;)
 

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Hopefully he will recover fully....:)


Teenagers don't always do the brightest things, even when they are not on anything......;)

Agreed, and mind altering substances (alcohol, drugs) don't make them any smarter!

BTW, he has some busted up legs, and other injuries, but I believe he should make a full recovery, quickly.
 

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Thank God for people like you Art that put your life on the line for strangers.;)
 
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