Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

[Expidia]

Mine was just delivered last week and the boat handles great, but the 2006 Mercury 4 stroke ELPT 30 hp that I put on it proved to be a disappointment to me on my first day out with it on Sat.

I was wondering what someones experience is with the 40 max rating for this boat?

My problem with the 30 is that it takes a long time to get up out of the hole with just two people on it (the two of us are less than 300 lbs). I have to first trim down all the way and nurse the trim back up as it finally gets to plane. I'll burn out the tilt motors at this rate with many starts to plane. It will do about 22 mph once on plane, but it's just the effort it takes to get there is really disappointing to me for all the $$ I just spent.

This means to me that if I had 3 or 4 people in the boat and I still could not seat anyone in the front seat post position (in front of the windshield) which would get me to plane faster but that seat position has a warning label not to sit anyone up there beyond trolling speeds as they can get ejected.

So the other 1 or 2 people would have to sit behind us and I'm sure the planning problem will be that much worse. I know I could get a different pitch prop to pop the boat up faster, but I also know that will take away from the top speed too.

I've read here and been told always get the max the motor the boat can handle, if you can afford it. But I didn't think the 30 would be so underpowered on this rig even with just the two of us.

The 2006 30 hp model (187 lbs) is actually a little heavier than the 2007 30 hp by design, I think. Maybe if I swap it back out at the dealer for a 40 hp, I might not see that drastic a weight difference from what I have now if the 2007 40 is also made a little lighter than the 2006 40 hp.

I was worried that for the extra money I'll have to spend to do the swap, the extra weight now added on for the 40 will eat up the difference the 10 hp's would give me.

The Classic is 76" wide and 14'9" in length. I don't want to spring for the 40 if it's going to bog this rig down even more because of a 40 hp weighing in at about 216.

The plate says 660 max with people, motor and equipment. If I added 4 people plus the 40 hp and equipment I'd be around 850lbs. 3 people would bring it in around 650. I think I've already consoled myself to realizing that this is always going to be a 3 persons max boat, I can live with that but it's the planning issue that really bothers me.

I upgraded because my 2006 Sylvan Alaskan Deluxe 13 with a 9.9 hp 4 stroke Mercury tiller could not handle 3 people beyond 5 mph. Putting a bigger motor on it even though it was rated for 25 hp would have put me over on capacity and pulled the transom down too close to the waterline with a 187 lb 25 hp 4 stroke on it.

I know buying a bigger boat would of course be the answer, but I trailer to various lakes with my Saab 9-5. I was trying to stay below 15 feet. That's why I just bought the 1425 Classic.

Now I've moved up from $3500 invested last year to $12,500 for this new rig and now I'll need to shell out more dollars for the 40 hp, but I don't know if this will help solve my dilemma?

Any thoughts or experiences from the experts here is appreciated???

Thx

 

[Captain Paul]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Before you pop for a 40, are you sure you are running the right prop?

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Before you pop for a 40, are you sure you are running the right prop?

That's what the dealer said when I went to him this AM. The motor does not come with a prop so he put one on. If the prop he put on was not the correct one that already worries me on his expertise.

I called Mercury and what I think most of my problem is in addition to the prop is that the 2006 30hp weighs in at 224. This is why he gave me a good deal on the 30 hp for the same price as the 25. I'm sure he wanted to move the 2006 30 out of his inventory.

Amazing as it seems the same 2007 40 hp is now 217 lbs (8 lbs lighter than the 2006 30). So that solves my concern about going bigger, but losing power due to carrying more weight with a bigger motor.

I figure I can always trade down if a 40 (max for this boat) is too much but I doubt that will be an issue if the 40's actually lighter than the 30.

A year newer 2007 40 will hold it's value a little longer than a 2006 30 I would think.

Thx for your response but I'd rather tweak the prop on the 40 if need be instead of tweaking the 30 as I know with all that extra weight on the 2006, I'll never be happy. But I did want to hear back from a 40 4 stroke owner on a similar sized boat to see how well it matched up.

 

[Rancherlee]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Put the 40 hp on if you plan on going out with 3 people alot. A 40hp with 3 people will probibly perform better than the 30 does with just you in the boat, I bet you will be close to 30mph with the right prop running alone.

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Put the 40 hp on if you plan on going out with 3 people alot. A 40hp with 3 people will probably perform better than the 30 does with just you in the boat, I bet you will be close to 30mph with the right prop running alone.

Thx for your response. It's not the high end I'm looking for. I'm doing 22-25 now and it feels plenty fast. It's just the strain it takes to get there (with two people). 30 and I'd be flying.

What I might do after the 40 arrives is buy a spare prop that is pitched to pull me up fast and swap that prop on if I plan to have 3 or 4 people onboard for the day.

I found it annoying to have to nurse the power trim with each start up because the 30 was so heavy.

Lunds IPS construction is supposed to make this particular model handle like a bigger boat. I'm sure if they say 40 max it would handle all that and more. I just was not sure if I went heavier and spent more dollars with a 40 if I would be giving up ooompf because of the heavier motor. Now I find out the 2007 40 is lighter than the 2006 30. This new 40 seems to me the answer to my problems.

If we were not talking a Lund here it might be a different issue like an Alumacraft 145 in the same length which was the first model I looked at.

I found the the Lund to be a lot beefier, hence the $3000 more for a similar boat. But the Alumacraft 145 is only rated for a 35 hp max and looks more like a rowboat with a steering wheel . . . IMO.

 

[Silvertip]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Underpowered boats respond quite well to the addition of "Smart Tabs". If you are not familiar with what they are or what trim tabs do, go to Nauticus.com. I have them on my Alumacraft Navigator 165CS and would really have to hurt someone if they disappeared. It's the most cost effective performance enhancement one can add to a boat. They are especially helpful with hole shot and when lightly loaded, help control porpoising.

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Underpowered boats respond quite well to the addition of "Smart Tabs". If you are not familiar with what they are or what trim tabs do, go to Nauticus.com. I have them on my Alumacraft Navigator 165CS and would really have to hurt someone if they disappeared. It's the most cost effective performance enhancement one can add to a boat. They are especially helpful with hole shot and when lightly loaded, help control porpoising.

Yes, I've been eyeing them. Especially the new composite ones so they won't cause metal problems while trolling.

I ordered the 2007 40 last week because it's actually lighter than the 2006 30.

Once I see how it handles, I wouldn't mind spending the $120 and installing them myself. But like I said above I know me and once I found out the 40 was lighter than the 30 that's it that's all.

I was going to swap props when I expected have 3 or 4 people on board, but today my avid boater brother-in-law said to get the smart tabs instead just as you have.

Nice boat, the Alumacraft 145, I almost went for that one. 2007 for $8500 with a 25 hp ELPT was a great price, when I looked at them in March.

I'm sure I'll do the tabs anyway after the 40 comes. Years ago you would have to spend $600 or so for electric dashboard controlled trim tabs. These new hydraulic automatic ones are sweet. Some can be locked in the down position for trolling too!

This 126 lb 4 stroke 30 hp is the route of my problem with only two people on board. I just added up . . . the Transom Minn Kota 15 lbs, the starter battery 35 lbs, 6.5 gas tank 40 lbs and my pedestal mounted down rigger 15 lbs.

That's another 106 lbs, hanging off my stern. Even without the down rigger on board, this past Sun it still took me the length of two football fields to get er up on plane . . . and each time a big rig went by I had to back off the speed, lose the plane and doer all over again (sigh).

For close to 13k I shouldn't have to go through this. And if I had to put two more people "behind" me . . . fagedaboutit!

It'll be a 40 shipping June 28th and I'm sure the tabs will follow too because from the sluggishness of the boat now I can't see 10 more hp's giving me a decent whole shot.

And the dealer said "oh don't worry, with the 30 that boat will fly" guess he's never actually been on the water in one. Tough to fly at 22 mph with only two people. What he meant was my dollars will keep "flying" out of my pocket!

On your 145 what's your hp. 2 or 4 stroke? Without your tabs . . . and with 3 or 4 people . . . how fast could you get it to plane before the tabs?

The Lund has a 76 inch beam and seems to me too heavy for lesser motors like a 25hp.
If smart tabs are a big help, they should include them as OEM because at least with the Lund (unless one is running a two stroke) I can't see how a 25 could push this boat unless you run WOT all the time, which is what I'm doing 75% of the time with the 30 now just to keep it planing.

 

[Lundman]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Yes, I've been eyeing them. Especially the new composite ones so they won't cause metal problems while trolling.

I ordered the 2007 40 last week because it's actually lighter than the 2006 30.

Once I see how it handles, I wouldn't mind spending the $120 and installing them myself. But like I said above I know me and once I found out the 40 was lighter than the 30 that's it that's all.

I was going to swap props when I expected have 3 or 4 people on board, but today my avid boater brother-in-law said to get the smart tabs instead just as you have.

Nice boat, the Alumacraft 145, I almost went for that one. 2007 for $8500 with a 25 hp ELPT was a great price, when I looked at them in March.

I'm sure I'll do the tabs anyway after the 40 comes. Years ago you would have to spend $600 or so for electric dashboard controlled trim tabs. These new hydraulic automatic ones are sweet. Some can be locked in the down position for trolling too!

This 126 lb 4 stroke 30 hp is the route of my problem with only two people on board. I just added up . . . the Transom Minn Kota 15 lbs, the starter battery 35 lbs, 6.5 gas tank 40 lbs and my pedestal mounted down rigger 15 lbs.

That's another 106 lbs, hanging off my stern. Even without the down rigger on board, this past Sun it still took me the length of two football fields to get er up on plane . . . and each time a big rig went by I had to back off the speed, lose the plane and doer all over again (sigh).

For close to 13k I shouldn't have to go through this. And if I had to put two more people "behind" me . . . fagedaboutit!

It'll be a 40 shipping June 28th and I'm sure the tabs will follow too because from the sluggishness of the boat now I can't see 10 more hp's giving me a decent whole shot.

And the dealer said "oh don't worry, with the 30 that boat will fly" guess he's never actually been on the water in one. Tough to fly at 22 mph with only two people. What he meant was my dollars will keep "flying" out of my pocket!

On your 145 what's your hp. 2 or 4 stroke? Without your tabs . . . and with 3 or 4 people . . . how fast could you get it to planebefore the tabs?

The Lund has a 76 inch beam and seems to me too heavy for lesser motors like a 25hp.
If smart tabs are a big help, they should include them as OEM because at least with the Lund (unless one is running a two stroke) I can't see how a 25 could push this boat unless you run WOT all the time, which is what I'm doing 75% of the time with the 30 now just to keep it planing.

I'd have went with the 40 HP motor right off the bat if I had bought that boat. Seems odd that the '07 40 horse motor is lighter than the '06 30 horse
motor. When I had my A-14 utility,I went with the maximum 15 HP motor instead of going with the 9.9,but that was with a two stroke motor,not a
four stroke motor. Go with that 40 hp motor,friend. You'll wear out that 30 in no time at all the way you are having to run it.

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

I'd have went with the 40 HP motor right off the bat if I had bought that boat. Seems odd that the '07 40 horse motor is lighter than the '06 30 horse
motor. When I had my A-14 utility,I went with the maximum 15 HP motor instead of going with the 9.9,but that was with a two stroke motor,not a
four stroke motor. Go with that 40 hp motor,friend. You'll wear out that 30 in no time at all the way you are having to run it.

Thx. Originally I was looking at the 25 hp. The dealer gave me the 06 for the same price as a 2007 25hp. At the time it was a money thing, the 40's MSRP is about $5800. The 30 cost me $3800 ELPT including the cables.

A 40 would have put me well over the 15k mark (and still will). I was moving up from a $3500 06 Sylvan 13 tiller with a Merc 9.9. because it would not handle 3 to 4 people.

That's an $11k upgrade to the 40.

I really thought the 25 would have been plenty for a 14' 9" aluminum.

I also thought the extra weight and another 2k was not worth it for an extra 10 hp. I figured the 30 would use less gas and I could troll a little slower with a 30.

But I digress with all this, so others don't make the same mistake and underpower a Lund Classic 1425. It's as you say, go with the max hp for the rig. One can always buy used and drop back a few years to stay within a budget, so they don't have to underpower.

It's no problem for me now to get the 40 hp as my family will just have to get used to the taste of catfood for a few months!!!

 

[Tempeny]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Just bought 1625 classic with 30hsp merc.
I have the same problem, mine won't even start to plane.
Its like pushing a giant turd through the water. I'm really disappointed also.
I'm talking to the dealership tomorrow to try and rectifie the problem.
Please let me what you fifure out.

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Just bought 1625 classic with 30hsp merc.
I have the same problem, mine won't even start to plane.
Its like pushing a giant turd through the water. I'm really disappointed also.
I'm talking to the dealership tomorrow to try and rectifie the problem.
Please let me what you fifure out.

If I get a 10-15 mph wind I have to walk up in front of the windshield to get it to plane with the 2006 30 hp. That is a joke after spending 13k!

I ordered the 40 hp ELPT, which was supposed to be shipped on 6/28. The boat took 10 weeks (and they told me 4-6 weeks). So I'm not holding my breath for delivery this week.

I checked your specs and the 40 is max for you too. I would absolutely do what ever it takes to get your dealer to swap out your 30 for a 40 hp. Even if you have to finance the difference (probably $1500 more or so).

You will never be happy with the 30. These Lund dealers will tell you anything to sell a boat. If they won't give you a good deal on the swap, have them take the motor back. Have them deduct the price of the controls and cabling (I think around $300) as it's the same for the 40 and go to another Merc dealer. I called around and the going rate before dickering is about $5100. MSRP is about $5700.

Once you get the 40 you can always add trim tabs (smart tabs, about $120) if need be, because your boat is longer than mine. Tabs will pop you to plane quicker and then they automatically retract. Another resort is a hydrofoil fin, my opinion is if hyrdrofoil fins were all that good, they would come stock (OEM) on a new outboard. They put extra strain on your lower unit from what I've read.

I'll let you know how the 40 works out for me, hopefully by next week. Your boat has the same beam (width) as mine, 76 inches.

It takes me about two football fields to get up on plane (only two people) until I have to drop back again for a wave or a boat cutting across my path . . . this s*cks!

My dealer misrepresented the capabilities of this boat with a 30 because I was adamant that I need to carry 3-4 people at times and he said "no problem, she''ll do fine with a 30, you will have no problems" . . . That was total Bullsh*t!

Since Lund and Mercury are owned by the same company (Brunswick) you could always complain back to them that your dealer sold you an underpowered rig and you demand that they ship you a 40 ASAP. Don't wait too long as they stop producing boats and motors over the summer (at least I know they don't produce boats, factory will close down).

I've used the 30 over the past few weeks and I guarantee you will "never" be happy. If yours is a 2007, it is even lighter than mine. Last I checked the factory was back ordered on the 30's, so your dealer will have no problem moving your motor this time of year.

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Just bought 1625 classic with 30hsp merc.
I have the same problem, mine won't even start to plane.
Its like pushing a giant turd through the water. I'm really disappointed also.
I'm talking to the dealership tomorrow to try and rectifie the problem.
Please let me what you fifure out.

What did you decide to do with the dealer?

My 40 came yesterday. I brought the boat to the dealer for them to swap it. They said they already sold the 30 to a guy with a Whaler. Whalers being so flat on the bottom he should do OK with it. I should have it back in another day or two.

I'll let you know how it planes but I need to first break it in. Only 1/4 to a half for the first two hours I think. Then only few minutes at a time at wide open throttle at 10 minute intervals for the next two hours I think.

I'll need 2 people on board to see how much of a difference it makes after I break it in by myself first.

I'll let you know my findings. I'm figuring I'll need smart tabs installed anyway even with the 40 hp if I want to carry 4 people every now and then. I'll save on gas anyway if the tabs make the boat plane faster anyway.

 

[Tempeny]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

My dealer is lake testing my boat this morning, They are thinking it is under powered also. So i will probly get a 40 hsp also.

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Took the 40 out today for the first time. IT FLYS . . .

Pops right up on plane in about 20 feet now. I couldn't be happier with the 40.

Anticipation was driving me crazy as I began to break it in during the first hour this morning, because I couldn't use wide open until the second hour for 1 minute at a time once every 10 minutes.

I knew this was going to solve my problems as soon as I left the dock though, even before I could go full throttle . . . as I was leaving I just nudged the throttle a little and the boat started to immediately surge ahead. Never did that with the 30. With the 30 I could floor it and it was just embarrassing. You said it perfectly . . ." It was like trying to push a big turd through the water. . . Perfect!

First hour up and I pushed the throttle down all the way from stop . . . . boat jumped right up on plane from standing start and hit 32 mph in seconds. I could back off to 3500 rpm and still hold the plane. RPM's went right up to 6000 with only a tap on the "trip up" switch.

This was with 2 people, My Wife and myself. After going wide open for the first time she looked at me and said "you just turned a Volkswagen into a BMW"!

Dealer charged me $5000 for this 2007 40 EFI ELPT including the controls. I paid $3800 for the 30 which he said he was giving me for the price of a 2007 25 HP, because it was a 2006 left over.

So I was ready to get hit with this huge bill for the difference . . . When he said the diff is $865 including tax, I almost fell over! They even allowed me to use the 30 for the past month, so I was expecting him to start at the 40's MSRP of $5700. Plus they had extra freight from the new 40 that was delivered and they had double labor since they had to swap out the motors again.

They did "all of this" basically at no extra charge. I'm really happy about the way things worked out being that I originally ordered the boat on March 23rd (10 weeks for delivery). Finally now satisfied by July 14th!

Bottom line is as others here have said . . . Buy the max HP your small boat can handle, in the long run it's cheaper on gas and a lot safer to handle (turns on a dime now). The 30 HP was so underpowered for this rig it was down right "dangerous" on this 2007 1425 side console Lund Classic in my opinion.

Can't wait to get a 3rd and a forth passenger to see how it goes!

If anyone is living in a decent radius of Albany NY and is looking for a first class dealer that leans over backwards to make it right for you . . . Just send me an email and I'll give you their info.

 

[Tcrum5711]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

That's cool that the dealer got what you wanted. Wow, four people in a 14 footer. I feel cramped with three in my 18'. Enjoy the "new" rig!!

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

That's cool that the dealer got what you wanted. Wow, four people in a 14 footer. I feel cramped with three in my 18'. Enjoy the "new" rig!!

Thx, I was amazed too! The boat actually is just 3 inches shy of 15 feet. Nice wide beam (76 inches) for a boat of this size. Sits 3 people nicely since it has 6 different holes for the seat posts. The 4th person is usually someones child and we take a short cruise on a quiet lake.

But for two people it's ideal!

On your 18 footer . . . We go on my Brother-in-law's 46 foot Bertrum Sport Fisherman and when the "4" of us are on it . . . I feel cramped!

Just wanted to give you something to look forward to as you move up in size . . . hahaha!

2 months ago when I saw him last he said he was now in the market for a 60 footer, now that gas prices are sky high again. He said the used boat market is getting hammered and he can save hundreds of thousands if he can find the exact boat he wants. he brought up a good point in that he doesn't care if he loses extra dollars because he too is selling at this time. He feels he'll make it up big time on the other end since the newer boats are taking such a hit from the higher gas prices causing quicker than normal depreciation

I can see this as we cruise around in my boat (burning through my 6.5 gallaon tank) . . . More and more on simply gorgeous boating days, I see most boats in their slips.

His boat takes 700 gallons to fill!

I know, I know . . . I've heard the old saying "If ya can't afford the gas, then ya shouldn't own the boat" . . . This is true, but I've found over the years, the richer one is, the more frugal they are also!

 

[Tcrum5711]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

I wish I could have went bigger. Most of the lakes here in MN aren't really that big to worry about. I really liked that Pro V 2025. Lauching and landing boats everytime you go out kinda makes you think about how big do you really need. My uncle in Toledo has a cruiser on Lake Eire that's 60's vintage and about 60 feet. I think that it's a Pacemaker if that matters. Came with twin 409 Chevs and he was talking about putting in some diesels for better mileage. I don't know how much he's used it since fual prices have risen. I would assume not as much.....

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

Finally got the chance to have 3 adults on the boat on Sunday. I was wondering how seating someone behind me was going to effect a hole shot up to plane with 170 lb person sitting so close to the stern.

I sat there myself too and it was a great ride.

Bottom line is: no problem now with the new 40 hp. Not even much of a difference with the 3rd person. Popped right up to plane. Top speed two of us 32 mph, top speed 3 adults 30 mph.

I'm sure a 4th adult for those few times I would have another couple on-board for a slow cruise, that this rig with the 40 on it now should have no problem getting up to plane.

My experience is as others have already noted (if you can afford it and if you can't . . . streeetch) go with the max HP for the particular boat especially when buying a new boat. A dealer might try to dump a prior year motor in a package deal for you (even though the outboard is new in box and the deal is very enticing) . . . you might save a few dollars, but you will never be happy with your new rig's performance.

 

[CPO RETIRED]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

2006 Classic Sport 1660
2007 Mercury 60 HP 4 Stroke Big Foot

Couldn't be happier witht his combination !! She gets up on plane quickly. Top speed with 2 people onboard is 35-36 mph. Will idle down and is so quiet.
Glad I went with the 60 hp 4 stroke vice the 40hp

 

[Expidia]

Re: Anyone own a 2007 Classic SS with a 40 hp?

2006 Classic Sport 1660
2007 Mercury 60 HP 4 Stroke Big Foot

Couldn't be happier with this combination !! She gets up on plane quickly. Top speed with 2 people on board is 35-36 mph. Will idle down and is so quiet.
Glad I went with the 60 hp 4 stroke vice the 40hp

That's a nice rig. I would have loved to have gone with that size and style but I'd be pushing trailering it with my Saab 9-5 With 109K.

I do miss the passenger windshield and a built in tank.

Enjoy your boat!

Post a pic of it in the "show us your Lund" thread:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=202030