Are boats just not selling right now????

tashasdaddy

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

i bought a 20 ft pontoon w/trailer, 2004 50hp Johnson today, for $1,800. it needs a little upholstery work, thats right up my restoration alley.
 

mickjetblue

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

Right, I read the boat ads occasionally, and I have noticed that the boat/motor combos
priced at less than $2,000 are moving fairly well.

Above that the owners are going through a wakeup finding out what their boat/motor is
really worth in the tough market of today. Combine that with the scrutinizing buyers
who want a like brand new boat/motor for $3,000, and that's where we're at.
 

SnappingTurtle

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

I had my brother look at a “fairly” priced Donzi Sweet 16 at the beginning of the summer at a marina close to our house in the States. 4 months later it is still sitting there, along with every other boat they had for sale. A complete summer, and not one used boat sale.

People are asking close to new price, for there several year old boats.

They have a problem with the fact, that they owe more at the bank, than the boat is worth on the market.

No money down, and minimum monthly payments, has got them in big trouble. They have payed the interest on the loan up to now, and not the boat payments, and it is now a used, not a new boat. Even if you still owe more than the new ones cost, you can't sell a used boat for the price of a new one.

Over here (Germany) the last marina tried to tell me things were booming, it looked like a ghost town this summer. They are the last one still open in the area.

One thing they did do this summer was to sell all their used boats at an auction, and said they would not be taking any in trade. Hum?

They also cut their prices on new, in stock motors, and all inflatables by 50% off the summer price.

Funny, after that, they sold out in one week.

Some people are buying, but at the actual market value.

Here it is mostly the newly retired. You see no one under 40 on the water here. :eek:
 

charliet806

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I was just down at the marina talking to my boat broker. He told my that he just sold one of those big race boats (Fountain) last week and the financing etc. was all approved for the sale. Last Thursday they got word from the bank that all credit had dried up, for boat, airplane, & car purchases, so the deal fell through.
 

SnappingTurtle

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

I was just down at the marina talking to my boat broker. He told my that he just sold one of those big race boats (Fountain) last week and the financing etc. was all approved for the sale. Last Thursday they got word from the bank that all credit had dried up, for boat, airplane, & car purchases, so the deal fell through.

The banks here (Germany) used to freely extend credit to people who had a good history with the bank, and had always paid loans back. Credit lines came automatically, you didn't have to ask, it just showed up on your bank statements. You now have a pre-approved credit of X00,000.00, use it as you wish. No questions asked.

It stopped like a car on the highway hitting a concrete wall in 1999. They had made so many bad loans to other banks, and bad investments with their customers money, they had no money to loan anymore. They are broke.

Then the disappearing middle class started all unexpectedly loosing their profit producing jobs, due to the offshoring/outsourcing of all things once made in Germany, to Asia. This left the banks setting on unpaid loans made to people who had spent the last 20-40 years working steadily, and making payments regularly.

Now you won't get a loan for anything, if you can't put up collateral of at least double the amount of the loan. They now hope you will default, and loose your house, because it is a quick way to generate income for the bank. Even businesses that can show contracts of guaranteed income, can not get working capital to cover payrolls needed to complete these contracts.

Germany has set a new record every year since 1999, for private and commercials bankruptcies. This means that contract, or no contract, the banks don't trust you to pay back any loan, even if you are a honest, long term client, with a great financial history.

Everyone is now treated as a deadbeat bum and Germany is a cash only country now.

The banks encouraged their clients (Big Business) to dump their local employees, and go overseas to produce, thereby killing the local economies, while using & loosing their customers (You & Me) money in wild get rich quick financial schemes. Now they are broke, and somehow it is the little guy (You & Me) they are blaming.

They are in really deep****, and they are using, once again, German tax payers money to bail the banks out of a living nightmare, the banks created themselves. The people they blame (You & Me), are once again, the people they want to pay for their mistakes. With these guys, it is always someone else that is the bum. They are responsible for nothing and continue to make the same mistakes, over and over agian. Always expecting a new bailout when things don't go as they planned at the poker table, they call the investment world.

When was the last time they stepped in, and bailed you out?

The government keeps saying don't run on the banks, leave your money where it's at, if you still have any, while at the same time, the banks are all running to withdraw what little money they have at the other banks.

This is what I am afraid is happening in the States. :(

Want a loan for a small boat here, yea, sure. Put the complete value of your paid for house up as collateral.
 

Shizzy

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

I kind of feel guilty for not feeling all that bad for some of these people. overextended and got greedy. the US needs this correction. what ever happened to saving for years to buy a boat or finding a cheap old boat and putting some elbow grease in to it? same with a house or a car. it got too easy for people to sign and buy.
 

sickwilly

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

I kind of agree. The amount of new boaters I have seen out on the lake with their first boat being a fully loaded malibu or mastercraft wake board boat has amazed me.

Then again, I am a little green with jealousy, but not so green as to make a poor financial decision for my family.
 

Shizzy

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

Then again, I am a little green with jealousy, but not so green as to make a poor financial decision for my family.
I am guilty of green myself. BUT then you realize your "row boat" doesnt cost a penny every month.

Just last night I was filling my truck up at the gas station and I was admiring the very nice Escalade at the pump in front of me. Green with envy I was untill the lady left and as I was pulling past her pump I noticed she had only put $10 worth in the tank..... :p I may drive a 5 year old Ford Ranger, but I can afford to fill it all the way up. :D
 

Dave K.

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

really is too bad, guess people are more interested in food, clothing & shelter. don't mean to be sarcastic, but until the economy gets better, recreation kinda' takes a back seat.
 

SnappingTurtle

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

I am guilty of green myself. BUT then you realize your "row boat" doesnt cost a penny every month.

Just last night I was filling my truck up at the gas station and I was admiring the very nice Escalade at the pump in front of me. Green with envy I was untill the lady left and as I was pulling past her pump I noticed she had only put $10 worth in the tank..... :p I may drive a 5 year old Ford Ranger, but I can afford to fill it all the way up. :D

My little boat is parked between two brand new 20+ft RIB's bought new at the end of the season last year. They didn't go out once this year.

I went out twice a week, at least, every week, for 8, or more hours, each time. :D

My 9ft fiberglass & 12ft inflatable maybe the laugh of our storage/launch neighbors, but they are laughing on land, and I am smiling from the water. :cool:
 

bamafutbal

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

the boat i found was way overpriced, i told him my situation (had to sell my boat first) and offered him alot less than asking price. he said sure right off the bat. i priced my boat according to prices on ebay, craigs list, etc and just hoping one person likes the boat enough to make very lowball offer.
 

jkust

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Re: Are boats just not selling right now????

Cash is generally not an issue for my family but we are very fruglal still. Old used cars, never pay interest charges, etc, hence how we amassed our wealth. I shopped all season and could not find a decent brand, smaller bowrider to save my life. Prices were high and both used and new inventory were very scarce. The dealers would not deal on new boats and each one simply said they had plenty of business and were suprisingly disinterested in coming down on price. When I finally found a used boat, I paid cash and so did he when it was new so he could accept an offer and did not need to pay off a loan. In MN at lease I haven't seen any signs of any sort of economical slow down. My colleagues and family comment on the "slow down" when we try to get into a restaurant that is totally packed. It seems the media may be selling a self fulfilling prophecy...at least here.
 
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