Best oil filter???

[Kenneth Brown]

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Here is another company marketing the filters.<br /><br /><br />www.wefilterit.com

 

[DJ]

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OB wrote.<br /><br />"Not trying to start anything here but, did JB say that? Where?The only mention as to frequency of changes I see is on the Castrol thread."<br /><br />JB, wrote. <br /><br />"Being old and terminally lazy, I let the MB dealership change my filters now"<br /><br /><br />I didn't read the Castrol thread, just this one.<br /><br />I was PARAPHRASING and taking some LIBERTY and EDITORIALIZING somewhat.<br /><br />Give me a break. Why did I ever come back here?

 

[ob]

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Geez.Don't be so thin skinned.It wasn't a personal attack or anything.Your paraphrasing just seemed inconsistent with what I had recently read.Not intended as a personal attack on you.Dang DJ , I've been participating in threads with you for some 3 years.Everyone here gets critiqued from time to time.Some more than others.

 

[DJ]

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Sorry OB, I am thin skinned. I didn't read the Castrol thread so I can't comment on what was written there. I don't read any of the oil threads, they just turn into fist fights. <br /><br />I, for one, have certainly gained allot from your threads.

 

[ob]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> I, for one, have certainly gained allot from your threads.

And I from yours DJ.No apology necessary.I don't have the thickest hide in the herd myself at times.

 

[rwise]

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I have asways ran phrame filters, but no more. After reading the links above I went to Napa and bought there filter. Maybe not the best but way better, no lifter clater on start up.

 

[Skinnywater]

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Pascal wrote;<br />

I cut a factory Honda filter open before christmas. It was labeled "Made By FRAM". Compared it to the standard fram filter and it was the exact same

Someone else mentioned Honda filters were made by Fram. <br />I'm not sure about the marketing or the reasons.<br />However, the oil filter for my '02 BF50 Honda part# 15400-ZW43-003 is clearly marked <br />Genuine Parts, Honda Motor Co. LTD.,Made in Japan,<br />by DENSO.<br /><br />Sure is a big difference between filters here. Not just between Honda and Fram, but with all them. <br /><br /> http://www.sunley.ca/fltring.html

 

[lakelivin]

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Originally posted by Kenneth Brown:<br /> Ok- I have read the links. As I said it will restrict the flow of oil to a car. It restricts it so that that you cannot use it alone, you must use a typical filter also.

How is that possible? If it severly restricts the flow, how is adding another filter, even one with almost no restriction, going to offset the original problem? The second regular filter is only going to get as much oil as the toilet paper one passes it.<br /><br />Or, are you saying that the tp one filters so finely that it clogs easily and you need to put a regular filter before it to take out the 'coarser/ bigger' particles before they get to the tp filter?

 

[Pascal]

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The tp filter is a "bypass" type filter. all of the oil going to the engine still goes thru the regular filter.<br /><br />the line to the tp filter is usually hooked up to a "T" where the oil pressure sending unit is installed. The tp filter line has a restriction in it to limit the flow to about 1/10 of pump output. If the bypass filter (tp) plugs up, the engine still has lubrication.<br /><br />fram does have a good explanation with diagrams here.<br /><br /> http://www.fram.com/tech/EngineOilFiltering.pdf <br /><br />JD

 

[lakelivin]

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Thanks, that 'splains it. Any thoughts as to how you would know when the bypass (tp) filter is restricting oil to the point that it's just bypassing it?

 

[Terry H]

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LL, I don't think there's any way to tell, but rolls of tp are cheap, change it when you change the oil. These tp filters don't filter all the oil, but what they do filter has to come out perfectly clean of abrasives...just a thought

 

[Pascal]

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The full flow filter that every engine comes equiped with, will have a bypass valve either in the filter or in the filter mount. It needs the bypass valve in case the filter does plug so the engine will not starve for oil or blow the previously traped contamination back thru the engine.<br /><br />The bypass filter will not have a bypass valve. When it plugs, the oil simply ceases to flow thru it. That is why it is changed often - 3000 miles for a tp element filter and longer for other types of elements. The tp element is much more efficient and will plug sooner than a pleated paper element. Because the bypass filter uses a side stream path to the main lubrication galleries, plugging will have little if any effect on normal lubrication.<br /><br />Any of you who remember when oil filters were optional will know that the installed filters were usually attached to the intake manifold on the inline engines and the inner fender on V8's. Those were bypass filters. They took the oil from the camshaft or other oil gallery and returned it thru a fitting installed in either the valve cover or the pan. <br /><br />JD

 

[ob]

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I'm wondering how much tp lint is being pumped through the system using that method? Ever handle toilet paper before and observe how much lint comes off that stuff? I'll stick to filter media designed for the intended purpose in my vehicles use tp like Bevis does.

 

[Terry H]

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ob, I put one on my main shop compresser a couple years ago with no noticeable loss in flow(surprised me), and no noticeable debris. I spray alot of finishes and don't think there's any lint coming out. just a thought

 

[ob]

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Chief,With all due respect ,your example of the air compressor in relation to an engines oil circuit is sort of like comparing apples to oranges IMO.What may be coming out is not what concerns me,it's what's staying in.It's professional practice to use lint free rags in the commercial engine and machinery trade.I would wager my experience that tp would fit into that category.Oil circuits within an engine are complex ones with many direction changes and my gut tells me to avoid anything that I have personal knowledge,that leaves some of itself(possibly significant amounts depending on your choice in toilet paper) in the equipment.Airborne dirt is enough of a factor in filtering out IMO.While larger visible particuulates are being collected by the tp filter ,its own fibers are being released throughout.Guys that have worked for years in hydraulics will tell you the same.<br /><br />Try cleaning a mirror it a well lit room using Windex and a wad of toilet paper(Charmin if you got it) and tell me what you see.If there ain't lint residue ,I'll eat my hat and changeover to tp filters immediately.

 

[Terry H]

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ob, I certainly would not want you to change over to some sort of technology you don't trust. My shop is definately not as hi-tech as yours, that's quite evident. I was just relating my experiences with the particular filters I use. By the by, the filter I use came from a medical supply house, not a auto parts store. Apples and oranges if you wish.

 

[ob]

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Originally posted by Chief 101:<br /> ob, I certainly would not want you to change over to some sort of technology you don't trust. My shop is definately not as hi-tech as yours, that's quite evident. I was just relating my experiences with the particular filters I use. By the by, the filter I use came from a medical supply house, not a auto parts store. Apples and oranges if you wish.

Just trying to exercise some logic is all and gave some reasons.If you want to inject insult into the equasion,I guess that's your right.I'm glad I don't work for you at your shop.So there.<br /><br />I find it ironic that this thread is titled "Best oil filter" and I'm in a debate as to the integrity of a roll of toilet paper.<br /><br />Scroll down near the bottomn of this links page and you'll find at least one other human that thinks like I do about the tp as an oil filter option for your vehicle.<br /><br /> web page

 

[LubeDude]

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I use the toilet paper filters in my shop and have no lint problem, they are probably the best water saparator you can use. I also put one just before the bead blaster and on the sand blaster.<br /><br />As to using them for an oil filter, they work great, they do not come apart at all, and you use the cheapest unsented single ply paper you can find. They are indeed used as a bypass filter, and as long as the paper is clean so will be your oil. They do not filter additives either. Keeps you oil anilitacally clean. Your oil allways looks new.<br /><br />Also, if you think that your oil filter is filtering "ALL" of the oil that comes from your oil pump all the time, you have another thing comming, Your bypass valve may be by passing as much as 50% of the oil your pump actually picks up. Also, a slightly restrictive filter will have no effect on your actual oil preasure due to the restriction inside your engine, much different that the oil filter test that is just pushing oil right on through. On a high RPM engine as in a boat or racing though, I would want a lower restriction filter.

 

[walleyehed]

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Lubey, why hasn't anyone compared Baldwin/Hastings filters in this comparison?????<br />I posted up a ways, but no response...<br />It would appear only the middle-class filters are being compared..

 

[Terry H]

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No insult intended ob...ok..